Pro Israel demonstration in DC?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

Because Americans historically like the underdog . At one time, that was the Jews

How is Israel not the underdog? It's surrounded by unfriendly/hostile nations, who could take in more Palestinians but won't. And as we have seen, military might can't stop the crazies from killing you. Look, there are two sides to this story and Palestinians are not in an enviable position but I can see an underdog story spun for either side. Just my impressions as someone who has never paid much attention to peace in the middle east.

When one country has nuclear weapons and controls another groups food, fuel and water supplies, they are not the underdog.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

because thinly veiled antisemitism in the form of being “anti-Zionist” has been integrated into the Left for a long time.

also I do not think Israel is overall losing the war on “hearts and minds.” I see zero visual support for Palestine in DC. People aren’t reflexive about it like all the Ukrainian flags etc.

I would put up a Palestinian flag but I don’t want to lose my job even though I have no antisemitic views. I think there are more of us than you see visibly.

I find it very telling that both sides are claiming a fear of expression. That is very sad. We should all stop with letting personal positions on politics bleed into other areas of life. It stifles dialogue and makes people angry because they think they are being repressed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Israel already exists. Palestine should exist. I would attend a free Palestine march but why on earth would I march for the right of something that already exists?

Because this whole thing started because of people who wanted to destroy Israel? Come on, I am a noob on this and I can figure this out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

Because Americans historically like the underdog . At one time, that was the Jews

How is Israel not the underdog? It's surrounded by unfriendly/hostile nations, who could take in more Palestinians but won't. And as we have seen, military might can't stop the crazies from killing you. Look, there are two sides to this story and Palestinians are not in an enviable position but I can see an underdog story spun for either side. Just my impressions as someone who has never paid much attention to peace in the middle east.

When one country has nuclear weapons and controls another groups food, fuel and water supplies, they are not the underdog.

Gaza has received tens of billions of dollars in humanitarian aid. They are on the sea. They share a border with Egypt. Israel left the strip in 2005. If Gaza has no independent sources of food, fuel or water, it’s because Hamas has rerouted the funding to terrorism. It’s not because of israel and using israel as the excuse gives Palestinians no credit for their own ability to develop an economy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

Because Americans historically like the underdog . At one time, that was the Jews

How is Israel not the underdog? It's surrounded by unfriendly/hostile nations, who could take in more Palestinians but won't. And as we have seen, military might can't stop the crazies from killing you. Look, there are two sides to this story and Palestinians are not in an enviable position but I can see an underdog story spun for either side. Just my impressions as someone who has never paid much attention to peace in the middle east.

What generation are you?

Israel WAS an amazing cinderella story but it's been the top seed for awhile now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel already exists. Palestine should exist. I would attend a free Palestine march but why on earth would I march for the right of something that already exists?

Because this whole thing started because of people who wanted to destroy Israel? Come on, I am a noob on this and I can figure this out.

Well I agree you’re a noob, the march was for Israel’s right to exist, my point is they already exist, Palestine does not. And this whole thing did not start with people who want to destroy Israel, it started well before this, but come on, even a noob should know that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

because thinly veiled antisemitism in the form of being “anti-Zionist” has been integrated into the Left for a long time.

also I do not think Israel is overall losing the war on “hearts and minds.” I see zero visual support for Palestine in DC. People aren’t reflexive about it like all the Ukrainian flags etc.

I would put up a Palestinian flag but I don’t want to lose my job even though I have no antisemitic views. I think there are more of us than you see visibly.

Maybe the actual lesson here is that taking sides in foreign affairs isn’t something you ought to do as a symbolic gesture with no nuance . It would not be hard to think up a sign that expresses support for peace and rejection of terrorism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel already exists. Palestine should exist. I would attend a free Palestine march but why on earth would I march for the right of something that already exists?

Because this whole thing started because of people who wanted to destroy Israel? Come on, I am a noob on this and I can figure this out.

Well I agree you’re a noob, the march was for Israel’s right to exist, my point is they already exist, Palestine does not. And this whole thing did not start with people who want to destroy Israel, it started well before this, but come on, even a noob should know that.

So you don't think Israel has hostile neighbors that won't to destroy it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Israel already exists. Palestine should exist. I would attend a free Palestine march but why on earth would I march for the right of something that already exists?

Why are women marching for abortion rights? They already exist. Right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

Because Americans historically like the underdog . At one time, that was the Jews

How is Israel not the underdog? It's surrounded by unfriendly/hostile nations, who could take in more Palestinians but won't. And as we have seen, military might can't stop the crazies from killing you. Look, there are two sides to this story and Palestinians are not in an enviable position but I can see an underdog story spun for either side. Just my impressions as someone who has never paid much attention to peace in the middle east.

When one country has nuclear weapons and controls another groups food, fuel and water supplies, they are not the underdog.

And all those things Israel has cannot guarantee it peace. When you zoom out and look at the region, Israel looks pretty isolated. How can anyone deny that Israel is surrounded by hostile theology?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel already exists. Palestine should exist. I would attend a free Palestine march but why on earth would I march for the right of something that already exists?

Because this whole thing started because of people who wanted to destroy Israel? Come on, I am a noob on this and I can figure this out.

Well I agree you’re a noob, the march was for Israel’s right to exist, my point is they already exist, Palestine does not. And this whole thing did not start with people who want to destroy Israel, it started well before this, but come on, even a noob should know that.

So you don't think Israel has hostile neighbors that won't to destroy it?

Neither Egypt nor Jordan, its two main neighbors, are either hostile or want to destroy it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

You really don’t get it? I mean you REALLY don’t? “One could argue about tactics”? Seriously?? 10 thousand people including 4 thousand children bombed and unable to flee is not a genocide to you? I’m neither Israeli nor Palestinian but I can see for myself how one sided this is and I’m glad others are calling out atrocities when they see it.

DP. I don't think you understand the words you are using. Genocide has a specific meaning. We saw plenty of civilians killed in the most recent US conflicts. It's not going to phase Americans who are familiar with collateral damage.

I know what a genocide is, and calling justified, collateral damage or whatever else helps you sleep at night does not change the fact that this is a textbook definition of genocide. If it doesn’t phase you, then it you should really think about why the deaths of some are worthy of mourning but not others.

You are diluting what a genocide is. War is bloody, look at history books. We destroyed two Japanese cities with the atomic bomb. Was it justified? Who knows but we did it and it was war.

You cannot seriously suggest that Gaza should be wiped out with a nuclear bomb!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

I am not from the ME and am neither Jewish or Muslim. I have zero issues with Jewish people (like less than zero). I have no problem with Israel. I believe it should exist if its citizens want it to. I was horrified by the Hamas attack and the unbearable loss of life (mostly jewish but presumably others too). Where Israel lost my “heart and mind” is when they started their military campaign to take out Hamas. I do not think the collateral damage levels being seen are worthy of a civilized state.

I am the same, not Jewish not Muslim, have no stake in this. I think people can disagree and argue about Israel 's campaign. But a pro Israel demonstration, as defined as supporting the existence of Israel, shouldn't cause anyone heartache, should it?

Not to me. I am willing to go further. A non violent demonstration affirming that the current govt is employing the right tactics in Gaza is fine (I would disagree with the message but do not think it should be stopped).

Yeah I agree it's fine. But I guess my point was that a demonstration just supporting the existence of Israel should be more than fine/tolerated. I would think more people should be on board with supporting it, even those who have grave reservations about the state of Gaza.

A march for the creation of Israel that exists or a march to support the war effort in Gaza, assuming you are not marching in support of the civilians in Gaza, but marching because civilians are unfortunate collateral?
Is that right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

Because Americans historically like the underdog . At one time, that was the Jews

How is Israel not the underdog? It's surrounded by unfriendly/hostile nations, who could take in more Palestinians but won't. And as we have seen, military might can't stop the crazies from killing you. Look, there are two sides to this story and Palestinians are not in an enviable position but I can see an underdog story spun for either side. Just my impressions as someone who has never paid much attention to peace in the middle east.

When one country has nuclear weapons and controls another groups food, fuel and water supplies, they are not the underdog.

The Gazans dug up and dismantled the multi million dollar water system that the EU gave them to use the pipes for bombs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

Because Americans historically like the underdog . At one time, that was the Jews

How is Israel not the underdog? It's surrounded by unfriendly/hostile nations, who could take in more Palestinians but won't. And as we have seen, military might can't stop the crazies from killing you. Look, there are two sides to this story and Palestinians are not in an enviable position but I can see an underdog story spun for either side. Just my impressions as someone who has never paid much attention to peace in the middle east.

When one country has nuclear weapons and controls another groups food, fuel and water supplies, they are not the underdog.

Gaza has received tens of billions of dollars in humanitarian aid. They are on the sea. They share a border with Egypt. Israel left the strip in 2005. If Gaza has no independent sources of food, fuel or water, it’s because Hamas has rerouted the funding to terrorism. It’s not because of israel and using israel as the excuse gives Palestinians no credit for their own ability to develop an economy.

This. When the 5000 Israelis left the strip in 2005 they left behind new, state of the art, multi million green houses for growing vegetables and fruits. The Gazans immediately looted these, particularly the pumps and plastic sheeting and rendered the brand new green houses unusable. I think the pumps were looted to pump the water out of the Hamas tunnels. The UN (so technically the US) gives billions of aid to Gaza.