Pro Israel demonstration in DC?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

Good questions. I think that so many people just flat out hate Israel and Jews. It’s a hatred that borders on mental illness, seemingly.

Have a look at the Gaza war thread and you’ll see what people think. It is really depressing and if you suggest there that people hate Israel and Jews then you’ll get a long reply about victim mentality and the chosen people looking down on others, etc. It makes me want to leave the internet forever, but I also can’t look away.

Except you’re not suggesting that people hate Jews, you’re accusing those who question Israeli tactics of being antisemitic flat out and that is offensive and tiring. How can there be any kind of debate if you just shut down any opposing view?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's November 14 (a Tuesday) in the middle of the day. They're calling it a "massive rally for Israel" as if a mid-week afternoon is going to get a large crowd. What a waste of a rally.

Good excuse for when you can't get much of a turnout...

I think it's bad planning, not an excuse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

You really don’t get it? I mean you REALLY don’t? “One could argue about tactics”? Seriously?? 10 thousand people including 4 thousand children bombed and unable to flee is not a genocide to you? I’m neither Israeli nor Palestinian but I can see for myself how one sided this is and I’m glad others are calling out atrocities when they see it.

DP. I don't think you understand the words you are using. Genocide has a specific meaning. We saw plenty of civilians killed in the most recent US conflicts. It's not going to phase Americans who are familiar with collateral damage.

I know what a genocide is, and calling justified, collateral damage or whatever else helps you sleep at night does not change the fact that this is a textbook definition of genocide. If it doesn’t phase you, then it you should really think about why the deaths of some are worthy of mourning but not others.

You are diluting what a genocide is. War is bloody, look at history books. We destroyed two Japanese cities with the atomic bomb. Was it justified? Who knows but we did it and it was war.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

I am not from the ME and am neither Jewish or Muslim. I have zero issues with Jewish people (like less than zero). I have no problem with Israel. I believe it should exist if its citizens want it to. I was horrified by the Hamas attack and the unbearable loss of life (mostly jewish but presumably others too). Where Israel lost my “heart and mind” is when they started their military campaign to take out Hamas. I do not think the collateral damage levels being seen are worthy of a civilized state.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

You really don’t get it? I mean you REALLY don’t? “One could argue about tactics”? Seriously?? 10 thousand people including 4 thousand children bombed and unable to flee is not a genocide to you? I’m neither Israeli nor Palestinian but I can see for myself how one sided this is and I’m glad others are calling out atrocities when they see it.

DP. I don't think you understand the words you are using. Genocide has a specific meaning. We saw plenty of civilians killed in the most recent US conflicts. It's not going to phase Americans who are familiar with collateral damage.

I know what a genocide is, and calling justified, collateral damage or whatever else helps you sleep at night does not change the fact that this is a textbook definition of genocide. If it doesn’t phase you, then it you should really think about why the deaths of some are worthy of mourning but not others.

The question for you is: do you believe Israel has a right to exist in peace? If so, great, we can all find some common starting point. If no, why not?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

I am not from the ME and am neither Jewish or Muslim. I have zero issues with Jewish people (like less than zero). I have no problem with Israel. I believe it should exist if its citizens want it to. I was horrified by the Hamas attack and the unbearable loss of life (mostly jewish but presumably others too). Where Israel lost my “heart and mind” is when they started their military campaign to take out Hamas. I do not think the collateral damage levels being seen are worthy of a civilized state.

I am the same, not Jewish not Muslim, have no stake in this. I think people can disagree and argue about Israel 's campaign. But a pro Israel demonstration, as defined as supporting the existence of Israel, shouldn't cause anyone heartache, should it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

because thinly veiled antisemitism in the form of being “anti-Zionist” has been integrated into the Left for a long time.

also I do not think Israel is overall losing the war on “hearts and minds.” I see zero visual support for Palestine in DC. People aren’t reflexive about it like all the Ukrainian flags etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

I am not from the ME and am neither Jewish or Muslim. I have zero issues with Jewish people (like less than zero). I have no problem with Israel. I believe it should exist if its citizens want it to. I was horrified by the Hamas attack and the unbearable loss of life (mostly jewish but presumably others too). Where Israel lost my “heart and mind” is when they started their military campaign to take out Hamas. I do not think the collateral damage levels being seen are worthy of a civilized state.

I am the same, not Jewish not Muslim, have no stake in this. I think people can disagree and argue about Israel 's campaign. But a pro Israel demonstration, as defined as supporting the existence of Israel, shouldn't cause anyone heartache, should it?

Not to me. I am willing to go further. A non violent demonstration affirming that the current govt is employing the right tactics in Gaza is fine (I would disagree with the message but do not think it should be stopped).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

Because Americans historically like the underdog . At one time, that was the Jews

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

because thinly veiled antisemitism in the form of being “anti-Zionist” has been integrated into the Left for a long time.

also I do not think Israel is overall losing the war on “hearts and minds.” I see zero visual support for Palestine in DC. People aren’t reflexive about it like all the Ukrainian flags etc.

I don't see the pro Palestine support either, tbh. Maybe because this area has a high Jewish population?

Also, I keep hearing about anti-Semitism on ivy league campuses. But it seems 10-20% of the student body is Jewish, while around 50% is white. Do Jewish students identify as whites? Because assuming so, who are the anti-Semitic students? I can't imagine east Asians being the main culprit. Is it the other half of "white" kids, the black kids? Who?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

I am not from the ME and am neither Jewish or Muslim. I have zero issues with Jewish people (like less than zero). I have no problem with Israel. I believe it should exist if its citizens want it to. I was horrified by the Hamas attack and the unbearable loss of life (mostly jewish but presumably others too). Where Israel lost my “heart and mind” is when they started their military campaign to take out Hamas. I do not think the collateral damage levels being seen are worthy of a civilized state.

I am the same, not Jewish not Muslim, have no stake in this. I think people can disagree and argue about Israel 's campaign. But a pro Israel demonstration, as defined as supporting the existence of Israel, shouldn't cause anyone heartache, should it?

Not to me. I am willing to go further. A non violent demonstration affirming that the current govt is employing the right tactics in Gaza is fine (I would disagree with the message but do not think it should be stopped).

Yeah I agree it's fine. But I guess my point was that a demonstration just supporting the existence of Israel should be more than fine/tolerated. I would think more people should be on board with supporting it, even those who have grave reservations about the state of Gaza.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

because thinly veiled antisemitism in the form of being “anti-Zionist” has been integrated into the Left for a long time.

also I do not think Israel is overall losing the war on “hearts and minds.” I see zero visual support for Palestine in DC. People aren’t reflexive about it like all the Ukrainian flags etc.

I would put up a Palestinian flag but I don’t want to lose my job even though I have no antisemitic views. I think there are more of us than you see visibly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

Good questions. I think that so many people just flat out hate Israel and Jews. It’s a hatred that borders on mental illness, seemingly.

Have a look at the Gaza war thread and you’ll see what people think. It is really depressing and if you suggest there that people hate Israel and Jews then you’ll get a long reply about victim mentality and the chosen people looking down on others, etc. It makes me want to leave the internet forever, but I also can’t look away.

Except you’re not suggesting that people hate Jews, you’re accusing those who question Israeli tactics of being antisemitic flat out and that is offensive and tiring. How can there be any kind of debate if you just shut down any opposing view?

If you’re not Jewish you should probably keep your mouth shut on what is anti semitic or not. We are very open to having dialogues on Israeli politics, but not on Israel’s right to exist or defend itself.

Additionally much anti Israel sentiment is rooted in anti semitism and not an educated POV on current events. When congresspeople like Rashida talib are tweeting excerpts from the Hamas charter calling for Israel’s annihilation, or people are aligning themselves with violent protestors ripping down posters of Jewish hostages and holding up signs calling for the murder of Jews, yes, that’s anti semitism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

Because Americans historically like the underdog . At one time, that was the Jews

How is Israel not the underdog? It's surrounded by unfriendly/hostile nations, who could take in more Palestinians but won't. And as we have seen, military might can't stop the crazies from killing you. Look, there are two sides to this story and Palestinians are not in an enviable position but I can see an underdog story spun for either side. Just my impressions as someone who has never paid much attention to peace in the middle east.

[Anonymous]

Israel already exists. Palestine should exist. I would attend a free Palestine march but why on earth would I march for the right of something that already exists?