MCPS School Hours
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Anonymous
I don't think anybody has said it's *impossible* for an 18-year-old to *wake up* at 8 am. For what it's worth, my high school kid gets up at 5:30 am for a 7:00 am school bus for a 7:45 am school start, and my college kid gets up at 9:55 for their 10 am class, which is their earliest class. So I'm pretty sure my high school kid would have the getting-up-in-college thing figured out even if high school didn't start until 8:30 am. |
Anonymous
Hi, again. 8 am college classes are a real thing. Stop acting like I'm making this up. Evidence: https://www.tiktok.com/@engineeringdeciphered/video/7185392935490882862?q=8%20am%20college%20class&t=1698949180181 https://www.tiktok.com/@aleksiss5/video/7289188846221135109?q=8%20am%20college%20class&t=1698949180181 https://www.tiktok.com/@isabellammoniz/video/7271224015044300063?q=8%20am%20college%20class&t=1698949180181 https://www.tiktok.com/@siennarainextra/video/7275452547996093742?q=8%20am%20college%20class&t=1698949180181 https://www.tiktok.com/@stanfordadmissions/video/7138488340248087850?q=8%20am%20college%20class&t=1698949180181 As I SAID originally, yes, most college kids TRY TO AVOID THEM, but sometimes, based on your major and class availability, YOU CAN'T. So stop lying and saying this isn't a thing. I just posted several TikToks from college students who say the exact same thing. |
Anonymous
Yeah their argument boils down to "I did it this way so everyone else should to". They are a total moron. Kids would "figure it out" and start school at 5 AM if that was the start time, but that's not the point. The point is that a later start time = better physical/mental health and better achievement outcomes for students. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. They haven't provided a shred of evidence to the contrary yet still want to keep it as is for their idiotic anecdotal reasons. |
Anonymous
No, our argument points to the fact that MCPS's start was 7:15 and we already moved it back by 30 minutes when this argument was made, which is how we got to high schools starting at 7:45, and now the same argument is being repeated again. We're literally fighting about an additional 30-45 minutes of start times, which isn't THAT much more with regard to gaining additional sleep time and again, can easily be eroded if kids just stay up later because of the later start time. You've failed to ADDRESS THAT point as well. |
Anonymous
That point is already and clearly addressed in the studies. An additional 30-45 minutes later start time absolutely does matter and while perhaps unintuitive to you, a later start time doesn't automatically mean kids go to bed later as the studies have also shown. |
Anonymous
Lol can you even read? I never said 8 am classes weren't a thing. Obviously they are. They aren't mandatory and MOST classes have several offerings. I even said if they absolutely have to take the 8 am class, they can figure it out. You didn't need to post various Tik Tok (who uses Tik Tok to get their point across though, seriously) links to tell me this. Actually read through the post you're replying to first. Then use your reading comprehension skills although I'm not really sure you have those. |
Anonymous
Genius, before you insult my reading comprehension skills, look back at your own. I NEVER said 8 am classes were mandatory. I said that you don't always have the option of avoiding them, and YOU insisted they are "ALWAYS an option" and insisted my viewpoint was outdated because I was stuck in the 1960s. I clarified that I found myself in that exact same position at UMD in 2001. You said you worked at 12 different universities and further doubled down that it's a choice. At this point, you said you that if they can't get out of it that they can just deal, which undermines your point about HSers being incapable of dealing with 7:45 am start times and your earlier insistence that college kids ALWAYS have the option to avoid 8 am classes. So I went to TikTok and grabbed examples of kids experiencing and saying exactly the same thing I went through as an undergrad in 2001. I.e. that you can't always avoid 8 am classes. Which proves my original stance was not outdated. So now, you can shut up and just move along with that talking point since you admitted that start times really aren't a big deal, since kids will adapt to whatever and that 8 am classes in college can be a difficult reality that college kids have to adjust to. |
Anonymous
You absolutely need to seek some help. I'm a DP and the only person on this entire thread who sounds unhinged is you. |
Anonymous
Not the poster you're replying to, but I also work in higher education and no. While 8 am classes are a thing, they most certainly have course offerings other than 8 am for every single course that offers 8 am classes. Maybe it wasn't this way in 2001, but times have changed. The other poster was obviously (so obviously) being flippant about it being 1960, but you clearly took it literally. SMH. Just because high schoolers CAN deal with 8 am classes doesnt mean they should have to, which has been the point of every single poster who has replied to you. I cannot believe someone is willing to die on this hill like you apparently are determined to, but you are just wrong. I think you need to move on. |
Anonymous
Lol, I got called “you people.” I dunno, but I have friends in other states, and it’s the reverse. Elementary starts earliest and high school starts latest. So I think different jurisdictions are making different decisions, and there’s not a right answer. I do know that it is particularly hard to wake up teenagers! |
Anonymous
*sigh* As I have said a thousand times, I didn’t say 8 am classes were the only class offered. I said as I am saying again, that sometimes it is the ONLY option available to a college student because others sections might be full and the class is either a core class you have to take, or a pre-req for a major you’ve declared or plan or declaring or it’s a class you need for a major. You keep and the other poster going back and forth with me keep arguing that this scenario absolutely does not happen, even though it happened to me and it still happens to college kids today as evidenced by the TikTok posts I shared. Stop saying this doesn’t happen. It did then and it does now. Done. |
Anonymous
A third poster has entered the mix. No one has said it doesnt happen. The first poster clearly state it CAN happen. What are YOU missing? |
Anonymous
Not "done." No one. Not a SINGLE person who replied to you said it NEVER happens. They said it can. They also said for the people it happens to, they make it work. Why are you still arguing? Are you somehow still upset that in 2001 you had to take an 8 am course? Move on. |
Anonymous
This is where the poster claimed taking an 8 is “always an option.” They then immediately contradict themselves by say “if it isn’t…” so I don’t get what the point capitalizing “ALWAYS” as an absolute declarative, but that where the PP made the claim you all insist didn’t happen. |
Anonymous
Or, if your kids need more sleep, have them go to bed earlier and stop complaining. Its called parenting. Plenty of our kids get up super early for HS and funny thing they are fine and not complaining. |