MCPS School Hours

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:High school should not start before 8 am.
Follow the science, people!

College classes start at 8 am. How do you expect high schoolers to be preppy for that if they’ve never had to do that before?

Tell them not to sign up for 8 am classes.

Right. Because that’s always an option. You people are unserious.

No, you're just stuck in 1960. I work in higher ed. It basically is ALWAYS an option. If it isn't, the kid will figure it out and make it work. They don't need four years of "prepping" to potentially wake up for a class that might not ever happen for them. You are an "unserious" person.

So why can they "figure it out" in college when they 18, but not when they're in high school when they're 18? Make it make sense.

My college kid had one 8am class and they only time more than 1/3 of the class attended was for tests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:High school should not start before 8 am.
Follow the science, people!

College classes start at 8 am. How do you expect high schoolers to be preppy for that if they’ve never had to do that before?

Tell them not to sign up for 8 am classes.

Right. Because that’s always an option. You people are unserious.

No, you're just stuck in 1960. I work in higher ed. It basically is ALWAYS an option. If it isn't, the kid will figure it out and make it work. They don't need four years of "prepping" to potentially wake up for a class that might not ever happen for them. You are an "unserious" person.

So why can they "figure it out" in college when they 18, but not when they're in high school when they're 18? Make it make sense.

Adolescence extends well into the 20s so in all seriousness colleges should be looking at later start times too. But this isn't about colleges, it's about what's best for K-12 students. Forcing them to get up early isn't "preparing" them for anything but is having very real impacts to their mental health and performance in school. Calling anyone unserious because they're following the science while you effectively yell "get off my lawn" speaks volumes about who is being serious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:High school should not start before 8 am.
Follow the science, people!

College classes start at 8 am. How do you expect high schoolers to be preppy for that if they’ve never had to do that before?

Tell them not to sign up for 8 am classes.

Right. Because that’s always an option. You people are unserious.

No, you're just stuck in 1960. I work in higher ed. It basically is ALWAYS an option. If it isn't, the kid will figure it out and make it work. They don't need four years of "prepping" to potentially wake up for a class that might not ever happen for them. You are an "unserious" person.

So why can they "figure it out" in college when they 18, but not when they're in high school when they're 18? Make it make sense.

Adolescence extends well into the 20s so in all seriousness colleges should be looking at later start times too. But this isn't about colleges, it's about what's best for K-12 students. Forcing them to get up early isn't "preparing" them for anything but is having very real impacts to their mental health and performance in school. Calling anyone unserious because they're following the science while you effectively yell "get off my lawn" speaks volumes about who is being serious.

They have been doing that for decades. If you were a professor in the 1980s, and you wanted to reduce enrollment in your class, you would schedule it at 8 am.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What OP? It's not about practices. It's about the buses.
If MCPS had unlimited money and buses everyone would be starting at the same time like many private schools.

They reuse the buses and bus drivers for multiple routes so one bus driver might drive elementary, middle and high schools on one day. There was a movement to move HS to the late start date and elementary to early but some people were worried about getting elementary school kids to the bus in the dark.

My siblings have kids in smaller school districts with little traffic between schools and all levels of school start at around 8:20.

Lack of buses and parking for them ounds like a relatively straightforward budgetary allocation issue to solve. What's taking so long?

Lack of buses is arguably a budget issue, although there is nothing straightforward about budget issues. Lack of parking for buses is not a budget issue. The Shady Grove bus depot has to go somewhere, but nobody wants it near them.

[Anonymous]

The amount of money wasted by MCPS on useless initiatives that go nowhere. They could easily find the money for buses if they stopped throwing away money at stuff like Leader in me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The main issue is the busses. If I were in charge, I would only provide bus service for special Ed and ES and for secondary students who live more than a one mile walk to a Ride-On bus (which students ride for free anyway). This would end the excuse that we don’t have enough buses to have our schools all start at 9:30.

Bring back HS Plus and use it to run school from 3-7 PM for students who are struggling with class before 9 AM.

In addition, juniors and seniors need more online options. That would allow those who need or wish to have 3/4 or 1/2 day in person.

What is HS Plus?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:High school should not start before 8 am.
Follow the science, people!

College classes start at 8 am. How do you expect high schoolers to be preppy for that if they’ve never had to do that before?

Tell them not to sign up for 8 am classes.

Right. Because that’s always an option. You people are unserious.

No, you're just stuck in 1960. I work in higher ed. It basically is ALWAYS an option. If it isn't, the kid will figure it out and make it work. They don't need four years of "prepping" to potentially wake up for a class that might not ever happen for them. You are an "unserious" person.

So why can they "figure it out" in college when they 18, but not when they're in high school when they're 18? Make it make sense.

Adolescence extends well into the 20s so in all seriousness colleges should be looking at later start times too. But this isn't about colleges, it's about what's best for K-12 students. Forcing them to get up early isn't "preparing" them for anything but is having very real impacts to their mental health and performance in school. Calling anyone unserious because they're following the science while you effectively yell "get off my lawn" speaks volumes about who is being serious.

18 is an adult. He’s is time to prepare them to be adults. Don’t like it go private or homeschool.

[Anonymous]

I remember going to HS at 7am and literally wishing a bus would run me over. It ain't right folks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The amount of money wasted by MCPS on useless initiatives that go nowhere. They could easily find the money for buses if they stopped throwing away money at stuff like Leader in me.

MCPS already cut Leader in Me from the budget except for schools that wanted to keep it. And if you have strong feelings about the budget there is a virtual forum tonight with MCPS to gather community feedback on the 2025 budget.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The main issue is the busses. If I were in charge, I would only provide bus service for special Ed and ES and for secondary students who live more than a one mile walk to a Ride-On bus (which students ride for free anyway). This would end the excuse that we don’t have enough buses to have our schools all start at 9:30.

Bring back HS Plus and use it to run school from 3-7 PM for students who are struggling with class before 9 AM.

In addition, juniors and seniors need more online options. That would allow those who need or wish to have 3/4 or 1/2 day in person.

What is HS Plus?

Around 2008 through perhaps 2012, extra sections of core HS courses were offered after school. They could be used to makeup failed courses or to accelerate if a student wanted to graduate a semester early. Students could take up to 2 HS Plus classes at a time. Teachers were paid their hourly rate to teach the class and two hours a week for grading and planning.

https://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED557725

[Anonymous]

8am is very early for a college class and I never attended a class that early all my years doing a BA, MA, and PhD.

Even so — I don’t know what percentage of college students live on campus but I could have slept as late as possible made it to class a lot faster than the high school kids in my neighborhood (DTSS) commuting to Blair and Northwood, which are not close at all.

I also wish my elementary aged kids had more time in the afternoon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:High school should not start before 8 am.
Follow the science, people!

College classes start at 8 am. How do you expect high schoolers to be preppy for that if they’ve never had to do that before?

Tell them not to sign up for 8 am classes.

Right. Because that’s always an option. You people are unserious.

No, you're just stuck in 1960. I work in higher ed. It basically is ALWAYS an option. If it isn't, the kid will figure it out and make it work. They don't need four years of "prepping" to potentially wake up for a class that might not ever happen for them. You are an "unserious" person.

This was 2001. UMD. Nice try tho.

Nice try at what? Your singular experience in college doesn't make it a universal truth. I've worked at 12 different universities. Students definitely have more options than forced 8 am college courses. Again, if they absolutely have to take the class, they figure it out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:High school should not start before 8 am.
Follow the science, people!

College classes start at 8 am. How do you expect high schoolers to be preppy for that if they’ve never had to do that before?

Tell them not to sign up for 8 am classes.

Right. Because that’s always an option. You people are unserious.

No, you're just stuck in 1960. I work in higher ed. It basically is ALWAYS an option. If it isn't, the kid will figure it out and make it work. They don't need four years of "prepping" to potentially wake up for a class that might not ever happen for them. You are an "unserious" person.

So why can they "figure it out" in college when they 18, but not when they're in high school when they're 18? Make it make sense.

Are you just stupid? Not all high schoolers are 18.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:High school should not start before 8 am.
Follow the science, people!

College classes start at 8 am. How do you expect high schoolers to be preppy for that if they’ve never had to do that before?

Tell them not to sign up for 8 am classes.

Right. Because that’s always an option. You people are unserious.

No, you're just stuck in 1960. I work in higher ed. It basically is ALWAYS an option. If it isn't, the kid will figure it out and make it work. They don't need four years of "prepping" to potentially wake up for a class that might not ever happen for them. You are an "unserious" person.

So why can they "figure it out" in college when they 18, but not when they're in high school when they're 18? Make it make sense.

Are you just stupid? Not all high schoolers are 18.

Where did I say "all high schoolers are 18"? I used that age because someone who is 18 will both be a high schooler and a college student. So why would the expectation be that it is impossible for them to wake up 8 am when they're an 18 yo high schooler, but that they'll "figure it out" when they're college student?

Also, the idea that waking up at 7 am is some kind of wicked hardship and cruelty is hilarious and laughable and again speaks to the rampant infantilization, helicopter parenting and entitlement enabling that has ruined kids' resilience.

[Anonymous]

This topic brings out the cranks every time!