MCPS School Hours

[Anonymous]

How would you all propose this works? MCPS already doesn't have enough buses and in HS its a two mile rule despite some communities having no sidewalks and crossing major roads. So, as a parent who has to drive, earlier is better. And, after school activities would conflict. Plus homework. And, if you make ES earlier, many kids are in after school programs so they are going to have the same long day anyway. They stagger the school start because of the busses and even if they bought more busses having enough drivers is an issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How would you all propose this works? MCPS already doesn't have enough buses and in HS its a two mile rule despite some communities having no sidewalks and crossing major roads. So, as a parent who has to drive, earlier is better. And, after school activities would conflict. Plus homework. And, if you make ES earlier, many kids are in after school programs so they are going to have the same long day anyway. They stagger the school start because of the busses and even if they bought more busses having enough drivers is an issue.

It's actually quite simple. Switch hs start times with elementary start times. Ohhh so difficult.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:High school should not start before 8 am.
Follow the science, people!

College classes start at 8 am. How do you expect high schoolers to be preppy for that if they’ve never had to do that before?

Tell them not to sign up for 8 am classes.

Right. Because that’s always an option. You people are unserious.

No, you're just stuck in 1960. I work in higher ed. It basically is ALWAYS an option. If it isn't, the kid will figure it out and make it work. They don't need four years of "prepping" to potentially wake up for a class that might not ever happen for them. You are an "unserious" person.

This is where the poster claimed taking an 8 is “always an option.” They then immediately contradict themselves by say “if it isn’t…” so I don’t get what the point capitalizing “ALWAYS” as an absolute declarative, but that where the PP made the claim you all insist didn’t happen.

DP (am I 4th? the 12th?) Again, I'm afraid you cannot read. The world "basically" was used...not to mean every class. Basically literally means "for the most part". I'd think a UMD graduate would know this but....Stop posting. You're just constantly embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:High school should not start before 8 am.
Follow the science, people!

College classes start at 8 am. How do you expect high schoolers to be preppy for that if they’ve never had to do that before?

Tell them not to sign up for 8 am classes.

Right. Because that’s always an option. You people are unserious.

No, you're just stuck in 1960. I work in higher ed. It basically is ALWAYS an option. If it isn't, the kid will figure it out and make it work. They don't need four years of "prepping" to potentially wake up for a class that might not ever happen for them. You are an "unserious" person.

This is where the poster claimed taking an 8 is “always an option.” They then immediately contradict themselves by say “if it isn’t…” so I don’t get what the point capitalizing “ALWAYS” as an absolute declarative, but that where the PP made the claim you all insist didn’t happen.

DP (am I 4th? the 12th?) Again, I'm afraid you cannot read. The world "basically" was used...not to mean every class. Basically literally means "for the most part". I'd think a UMD graduate would know this but....Stop posting. You're just constantly embarrassing yourself.

Basically is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that reach of logic, especially since ALWAYS was capitalized to emphasize the absolute.

Almost always or often would have been accurate and a better way of making that argument, if that was the PP’s. My UMD English 101 professor would have marked off points if I wrote “basically always” when I meant “almost always” or “often.” I guess your English professor didn’t emphasize clarity and consistency in writing and logic.

Furthermore, it was a stupid point cause I never even argued that it happened often. Just that it did happen and was a situation could happen to many college students as it did to me and still happens to others today.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How would you all propose this works? MCPS already doesn't have enough buses and in HS its a two mile rule despite some communities having no sidewalks and crossing major roads. So, as a parent who has to drive, earlier is better. And, after school activities would conflict. Plus homework. And, if you make ES earlier, many kids are in after school programs so they are going to have the same long day anyway. They stagger the school start because of the busses and even if they bought more busses having enough drivers is an issue.

It's actually quite simple. Switch hs start times with elementary start times. Ohhh so difficult.

Buckle up! Gonna be a bumpy night!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How would you all propose this works? MCPS already doesn't have enough buses and in HS its a two mile rule despite some communities having no sidewalks and crossing major roads. So, as a parent who has to drive, earlier is better. And, after school activities would conflict. Plus homework. And, if you make ES earlier, many kids are in after school programs so they are going to have the same long day anyway. They stagger the school start because of the busses and even if they bought more busses having enough drivers is an issue.

It's actually quite simple. Switch hs start times with elementary start times. Ohhh so difficult.

And, how would that work? You think it's good for HS kids to get out at 3:30 or 4, especially when they have a longer day. Yours may not but some of our kids have activities, jobs and homework so that means they'd be up much later, till 12-1 and then sleep in? How is that better. You should try working on your parenting. At a reasonable hour if homework is done, I send mine to bed. See how that works, it's called parenting.

[Anonymous]

I have taught in different districts in the DMV but always in schools that have a 60%+ farms rate.
What I write below is my best attempt of just “the facts” that I’ve experienced in the past 15 years as an HS&MS teacher.

1) Yes, you (and parents et Al) are correct when you state that research says that early start times for MS/HS students are detrimental to their learning, and that secondary students learn better at later times. As a teacher, I wish this could be the case.

2) MONEY and BUSES are a huge issue. I have seen a lot of people say something along the lines of “Why can’t they just switch HS and ES routes? Duh!” All three “wealthy” counties in the DMV I have worked for have had the same discussions year after year about school start times . The issue remains that the county and tax payers do not want to pay for dozens of new drivers.

I know it sounds easy phonetically, but getting the county to pay for a new huge initiative is HARD.

3) point 3: I am not privileged like most of my peers on this board. However, I would like to say that switching HS and ES school yikes would seriously mess up many of my kids.

Yes, ES students dismiss later, BUT my HS students (who get out at 230) have to rush home for their kids. If times switched, my 9th grader wouldn’t get home until 5AM and my curfew would hurt

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:High school should not start before 8 am.
Follow the science, people!

College classes start at 8 am. How do you expect high schoolers to be preppy for that if they’ve never had to do that before?

Tell them not to sign up for 8 am classes.

Right. Because that’s always an option. You people are unserious.

No, you're just stuck in 1960. I work in higher ed. It basically is ALWAYS an option. If it isn't, the kid will figure it out and make it work. They don't need four years of "prepping" to potentially wake up for a class that might not ever happen for them. You are an "unserious" person.

This is where the poster claimed taking an 8 is “always an option.” They then immediately contradict themselves by say “if it isn’t…” so I don’t get what the point capitalizing “ALWAYS” as an absolute declarative, but that where the PP made the claim you all insist didn’t happen.

DP (am I 4th? the 12th?) Again, I'm afraid you cannot read. The world "basically" was used...not to mean every class. Basically literally means "for the most part". I'd think a UMD graduate would know this but....Stop posting. You're just constantly embarrassing yourself.

Basically is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that reach of logic, especially since ALWAYS was capitalized to emphasize the absolute.

Almost always or often would have been accurate and a better way of making that argument, if that was the PP’s. My UMD English 101 professor would have marked off points if I wrote “basically always” when I meant “almost always” or “often.” I guess your English professor didn’t emphasize clarity and consistency in writing and logic.

Furthermore, it was a stupid point cause I never even argued that it happened often. Just that it did happen and was a situation could happen to many college students as it did to me and still happens to others today.

You went to UMD… no one here thinks you’re a scholar. Stop. Posting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have taught in different districts in the DMV but always in schools that have a 60%+ farms rate.
What I write below is my best attempt of just “the facts” that I’ve experienced in the past 15 years as an HS&MS teacher.

1) Yes, you (and parents et Al) are correct when you state that research says that early start times for MS/HS students are detrimental to their learning, and that secondary students learn better at later times. As a teacher, I wish this could be the case.

2) MONEY and BUSES are a huge issue. I have seen a lot of people say something along the lines of “Why can’t they just switch HS and ES routes? Duh!” All three “wealthy” counties in the DMV I have worked for have had the same discussions year after year about school start times . The issue remains that the county and tax payers do not want to pay for dozens of new drivers.

I know it sounds easy phonetically, but getting the county to pay for a new huge initiative is HARD.

3) point 3: I am not privileged like most of my peers on this board. However, I would like to say that switching HS and ES school yikes would seriously mess up many of my kids.

Yes, ES students dismiss later, BUT my HS students (who get out at 230) have to rush home for their kids. If times switched, my 9th grader wouldn’t get home until 5AM and my curfew would hurt

5 am? Are you drunk? Your post is barely coherent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:High school should not start before 8 am.
Follow the science, people!

College classes start at 8 am. How do you expect high schoolers to be preppy for that if they’ve never had to do that before?

Tell them not to sign up for 8 am classes.

Right. Because that’s always an option. You people are unserious.

No, you're just stuck in 1960. I work in higher ed. It basically is ALWAYS an option. If it isn't, the kid will figure it out and make it work. They don't need four years of "prepping" to potentially wake up for a class that might not ever happen for them. You are an "unserious" person.

This is where the poster claimed taking an 8 is “always an option.” They then immediately contradict themselves by say “if it isn’t…” so I don’t get what the point capitalizing “ALWAYS” as an absolute declarative, but that where the PP made the claim you all insist didn’t happen.

DP (am I 4th? the 12th?) Again, I'm afraid you cannot read. The world "basically" was used...not to mean every class. Basically literally means "for the most part". I'd think a UMD graduate would know this but....Stop posting. You're just constantly embarrassing yourself.

Basically is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that reach of logic, especially since ALWAYS was capitalized to emphasize the absolute.

Almost always or often would have been accurate and a better way of making that argument, if that was the PP’s. My UMD English 101 professor would have marked off points if I wrote “basically always” when I meant “almost always” or “often.” I guess your English professor didn’t emphasize clarity and consistency in writing and logic.

Furthermore, it was a stupid point cause I never even argued that it happened often. Just that it did happen and was a situation could happen to many college students as it did to me and still happens to others today.

You went to UMD… no one here thinks you’re a scholar. Stop. Posting.

Girl, go in the corner and cry with your big ol’ teenage child about how cruel and unfair the world is because they have to get out of bed before 8 am to go to school. The rest of us have real problems to deal with.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How would you all propose this works? MCPS already doesn't have enough buses and in HS its a two mile rule despite some communities having no sidewalks and crossing major roads. So, as a parent who has to drive, earlier is better. And, after school activities would conflict. Plus homework. And, if you make ES earlier, many kids are in after school programs so they are going to have the same long day anyway. They stagger the school start because of the busses and even if they bought more busses having enough drivers is an issue.

It's actually quite simple. Switch hs start times with elementary start times. Ohhh so difficult.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/2013BellTimesReport.pdf

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How would you all propose this works? MCPS already doesn't have enough buses and in HS its a two mile rule despite some communities having no sidewalks and crossing major roads. So, as a parent who has to drive, earlier is better. And, after school activities would conflict. Plus homework. And, if you make ES earlier, many kids are in after school programs so they are going to have the same long day anyway. They stagger the school start because of the busses and even if they bought more busses having enough drivers is an issue.

It's actually quite simple. Switch hs start times with elementary start times. Ohhh so difficult.

And, how would that work? You think it's good for HS kids to get out at 3:30 or 4, especially when they have a longer day. Yours may not but some of our kids have activities, jobs and homework so that means they'd be up much later, till 12-1 and then sleep in? How is that better. You should try working on your parenting. At a reasonable hour if homework is done, I send mine to bed. See how that works, it's called parenting.

HS kids get out at 3:30-4pm in many counties across the country and make all the extracurriculars + jobs + homework work just fine. Maybe you should work on your parenting a bit if you think this will be such a problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How would you all propose this works? MCPS already doesn't have enough buses and in HS its a two mile rule despite some communities having no sidewalks and crossing major roads. So, as a parent who has to drive, earlier is better. And, after school activities would conflict. Plus homework. And, if you make ES earlier, many kids are in after school programs so they are going to have the same long day anyway. They stagger the school start because of the busses and even if they bought more busses having enough drivers is an issue.

It's actually quite simple. Switch hs start times with elementary start times. Ohhh so difficult.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/2013BellTimesReport.pdf

You have just decided that no HS kids are available to watch younger kids after school. Still seem very simple?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How would you all propose this works? MCPS already doesn't have enough buses and in HS its a two mile rule despite some communities having no sidewalks and crossing major roads. So, as a parent who has to drive, earlier is better. And, after school activities would conflict. Plus homework. And, if you make ES earlier, many kids are in after school programs so they are going to have the same long day anyway. They stagger the school start because of the busses and even if they bought more busses having enough drivers is an issue.

It's actually quite simple. Switch hs start times with elementary start times. Ohhh so difficult.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/2013BellTimesReport.pdf

And, what about those lower income parents who rely on the older kids to care for the younger kids?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How would you all propose this works? MCPS already doesn't have enough buses and in HS its a two mile rule despite some communities having no sidewalks and crossing major roads. So, as a parent who has to drive, earlier is better. And, after school activities would conflict. Plus homework. And, if you make ES earlier, many kids are in after school programs so they are going to have the same long day anyway. They stagger the school start because of the busses and even if they bought more busses having enough drivers is an issue.

It's actually quite simple. Switch hs start times with elementary start times. Ohhh so difficult.

And, how would that work? You think it's good for HS kids to get out at 3:30 or 4, especially when they have a longer day. Yours may not but some of our kids have activities, jobs and homework so that means they'd be up much later, till 12-1 and then sleep in? How is that better. You should try working on your parenting. At a reasonable hour if homework is done, I send mine to bed. See how that works, it's called parenting.

HS kids get out at 3:30-4pm in many counties across the country and make all the extracurriculars + jobs + homework work just fine. Maybe you should work on your parenting a bit if you think this will be such a problem.

And we have early start times and our kids are just fine. How would it work? So, my kid gets out at 4, has a 2 hour sports practice a few time a week, then another thing back at school 2-3 times a week so they'd get home at what? 8-9, then homework, eat, shower? If they have a few hours of homework that could be 12-2 AM. How is that better? Mine have no issue getting up early.