White flight from MCPS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Virtually every person I know from Mexico and South America are amazing, highly educated, wonderful people. They are cultured, family people, and tremendously value education. So there can't be a problem just because of an increase in "hispanic" people.

Is this sharp rise in the MCPS hispanic population actually due to illegal immigration of poor and/or violent people from central america? If so this is definitely a broader society problem and blame can be placed on on federal government for it's open border polices.

If you read between the lines of the BOE meeting, it seems we’re getting an influx of the latter and not the former.

That's not an MCPS issue, it's a US issue. Yes, there are more undocumented immigrants, mostly fleeing violence being perpetuated by drug cartels. A real discussion of that is going to need to include the fact that the GOP has blocked comprehensive immigration reform for years, creating no path to citizenship. It will also need to deal with the ways in which US policies have destabilized Central and South America, and the degree to which the drug trade is fueled by US demand.

This is a complicated problem that requires a complicated domestic and foreign policy approach, but we've not had enough adults in Congress in years to deal with it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Virtually every person I know from Mexico and South America are amazing, highly educated, wonderful people. They are cultured, family people, and tremendously value education. So there can't be a problem just because of an increase in "hispanic" people.

Is this sharp rise in the MCPS hispanic population actually due to illegal immigration of poor and/or violent people from central america? If so this is definitely a broader society problem and blame can be placed on on federal government for it's open border polices.

If you read between the lines of the BOE meeting, it seems we’re getting an influx of the latter and not the former.

ICYMI: an 18 year old Latina was murdered by 3 other latinos (teens) this may and the killers were recently arrested. They cut off her head with a machete and dumped the body in a wooded area near a park in Olney.

It barely made the news.

^^^This is in our local schools. It’s a gang problem with rampant violence. It’s why many of them allegedly left Central America.

It's tragic that an adult was murdered somewhere unrelated to MCPS but this isn't an MCPS problem.

These gangs have their hooks in MCPS students too. Some of the student fentanyl and weed dealers are getting their supplies through gang ties.

I get that some posters always want to hype this nonsense but there hasn't been a single gang-related incident at MCPS in more than a decade.

Once again, a lie.

Malik Hney is a 16 year old who was just sentenced this year for a murder that was related to beef with his local gang the Ridge Street Gang and the L3 Gang: https://www.wusa9.com/amp/article/news/local/maryland/teen-causes-disruption-moments-found-guilty-conspiring-murder-germantown-man/65-a66980cd-c839-4357-aeef-c01294c16eee

According to charging documents, the four teenagers connected to the shooting, were members of the "Ridge" street gang, based out of Germantown. The victim, Cline, was associated with the 'L3' gang, based out of Gaithersburg. The charging documents stated that there was "an ongoing feud between Gaithersburg gangs and Germantown gangs," at the time of the shooting. McCarthy said that the shooting all stemmed from a beef that started due to social media insults.

Gangs are active in our county and they have representatives doing their dirty work in MCPS. Stop lying and saying there hasn’t been gang activity here in over a decade.

Don't bother with that PP. She always argues "that's not gang" related. Total idiot.

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White people are having Hispanic and multiracial babies. Hybrid vigor.

Also having fewer babies in general than other raises, and not immigrating here in large numbers from elsewhere.

For at least the past 10 years, Hispanic, Black, Asian, and Multiracial have *each* had more *absolute* (not percentage!) population growth than White.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/all-recent-us-population-growth-comes-from-people-of-color-new-census-estimates-show/#1

Look at the two races or more category in the chart for MCPS. It doesn’t have explosive growth.

And if you watched the BOE meeting, they basically said a lot of the Hispanic students we’re picking up migrants fleeing from Central and South America.

So as a school system, we are replacing middle and higher income white students with higher need lower income Hispanic students. As a system that has an impact on the wellbeing and resources to the school system.

So you're a great replacement theorist, then?

No. I’m not even white.

That's what racists always claim to let us know it's okay for them to say racist things. It really isn't and nobody believes them.

+1

Some of the most anti-Black people I’ve encounter are Black and their need for approbation from White racists makes them an ideal spokesperson for white supremacy. All skinfolk ain’t kinfolk.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an elementary teacher. I am so thankful that my kids are in high school so they are almost out of the disaster known as MCPS. If they were in elementary I would have to find a way to send them to private. No children should have to attend some of these chaotic and unsafe schools. A student in the school I work at hit 18 (yes 18) students in one day in his class last week. Additionally he stuck several kids heads into trash cans. And this is not a one off. (Btw, don’t worry because I’m sure the half day in school suspension will really change things). How are kids supposed to learn when they are scared all the time?

I really wish that I could get out, but I’m too vested and will remain until I can retire. I don’t think it’s as much white flight as higher SES flight. If you have the means, you’re desperate to get out. As the whites traditionally have more means, you’re seeing a greater exodus. Just wish I could follow them…

This isnt an MCPS problem. It's happening all over the country right now. It's 100% a parenting problem. Parents do not raise their kids anymore. They rely on screens and schools to do it for them.

Parents rely on screens? Lol, have you spent anytime in a classroom lately? They spend half the day on a screen. If the problem is screens (and I’m not necessarily saying you’re wrong) the usage needs to be reduced at school too.

The biggest factors IMO is that schools are no longer allowed to discipline kids, and kids that used to be pulled out of mainstream classes are not anymore. The problem is just more visible to you now. Millennial parents aren’t necessarily any worse than boomer parents were.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Significant Growth of Hispanic student population and decline of white students has been known for decades.

The Predominantly white female teachers are leaving in droves too, and creating a “teacher shortage”.

Since these white female teachers can no longer discipline and criminalize the Hispanic and black students, their exodus has accelerated….

This “teacher shortage” was also predicted decades ago.

I’m curious to read about this. I keep hearing it’s the pandemic, few rules or mainstreaming … but don’t think it’s that simple. Please identify the research/articles where I can learn more. Thanks.

The decline of society narrative is one of the favorites of the right-wing think tank posters.

So any opinion that you don’t agree with is a “narrative”?

[Anonymous]

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White people are having Hispanic and multiracial babies. Hybrid vigor.

Also having fewer babies in general than other raises, and not immigrating here in large numbers from elsewhere.

For at least the past 10 years, Hispanic, Black, Asian, and Multiracial have *each* had more *absolute* (not percentage!) population growth than White.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/all-recent-us-population-growth-comes-from-people-of-color-new-census-estimates-show/#1

Look at the two races or more category in the chart for MCPS. It doesn’t have explosive growth.

And if you watched the BOE meeting, they basically said a lot of the Hispanic students we’re picking up migrants fleeing from Central and South America.

So as a school system, we are replacing middle and higher income white students with higher need lower income Hispanic students. As a system that has an impact on the wellbeing and resources to the school system.

So you're a great replacement theorist, then?

NP - There's this thing called data... It's not a theory.

[Anonymous]

I feel like I'm missing something. We're an Asian family at a W school. Both elementary school kids are 95%+ on MAPs (barely any supplementation other than Khan Academy). Both are straight A (P) students receiving enrichment and advanced coursework.

We haven't experienced horrible teachers or administration. Some bad behavior with kids, yes. We recently learned of a few families around us who are looking to move their kids to private, which got me wondering.

What are we missing with regards to how horrible MCPS is? What is better in private?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel like I'm missing something. We're an Asian family at a W school. Both elementary school kids are 95%+ on MAPs (barely any supplementation other than Khan Academy). Both are straight A (P) students receiving enrichment and advanced coursework.

We haven't experienced horrible teachers or administration. Some bad behavior with kids, yes. We recently learned of a few families around us who are looking to move their kids to private, which got me wondering.

What are we missing with regards to how horrible MCPS is? What is better in private?

You are missing that you are on the top side of the achievement gap and wealthy inequality.

[Anonymous]

PP here. But aren't most of the folks on this thread on the top side of the achievement gap and part of the wealthy? That's what it reads based on most of the previous comments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel like I'm missing something. We're an Asian family at a W school. Both elementary school kids are 95%+ on MAPs (barely any supplementation other than Khan Academy). Both are straight A (P) students receiving enrichment and advanced coursework.

We haven't experienced horrible teachers or administration. Some bad behavior with kids, yes. We recently learned of a few families around us who are looking to move their kids to private, which got me wondering.

What are we missing with regards to how horrible MCPS is? What is better in private?

Consider yourself fortunate.

What MS will your kids attend? There are issues with drugs, truancy, vaping, bad behavior, fights, etc at almost every single middle school in this county.

Also, I wouldn’t get complacent simply because your kids are getting As. I found that my kid was getting great grades in ES (back when they had actual grades) and then realized that her grammar was horrendous. MCPS is very much about grade inflation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an elementary teacher. I am so thankful that my kids are in high school so they are almost out of the disaster known as MCPS. If they were in elementary I would have to find a way to send them to private. No children should have to attend some of these chaotic and unsafe schools. A student in the school I work at hit 18 (yes 18) students in one day in his class last week. Additionally he stuck several kids heads into trash cans. And this is not a one off. (Btw, don’t worry because I’m sure the half day in school suspension will really change things). How are kids supposed to learn when they are scared all the time?

I really wish that I could get out, but I’m too vested and will remain until I can retire. I don’t think it’s as much white flight as higher SES flight. If you have the means, you’re desperate to get out. As the whites traditionally have more means, you’re seeing a greater exodus. Just wish I could follow them…

This isnt an MCPS problem. It's happening all over the country right now. It's 100% a parenting problem. Parents do not raise their kids anymore. They rely on screens and schools to do it for them.

Parents rely on screens? Lol, have you spent anytime in a classroom lately? They spend half the day on a screen. If the problem is screens (and I’m not necessarily saying you’re wrong) the usage needs to be reduced at school too.

The biggest factors IMO is that schools are no longer allowed to discipline kids, and kids that used to be pulled out of mainstream classes are not anymore. The problem is just more visible to you now. Millennial parents aren’t necessarily any worse than boomer parents were.

What is this narrative that kids are on screens all day at school? I've worked in 5 different MCPS schools. I walk around on my preps and I don't see kids on screens. It is a rare occasion if I do. My classes don't use screens either. The only time is if they have free time, which with 43 minute classes, is a rarity. I know it might happen at SOME places, but again, I've been at 5 schools and the story has been consistently the same at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Virtually every person I know from Mexico and South America are amazing, highly educated, wonderful people. They are cultured, family people, and tremendously value education. So there can't be a problem just because of an increase in "hispanic" people.

Is this sharp rise in the MCPS hispanic population actually due to illegal immigration of poor and/or violent people from central america? If so this is definitely a broader society problem and blame can be placed on on federal government for it's open border polices.

If you read between the lines of the BOE meeting, it seems we’re getting an influx of the latter and not the former.

ICYMI: an 18 year old Latina was murdered by 3 other latinos (teens) this may and the killers were recently arrested. They cut off her head with a machete and dumped the body in a wooded area near a park in Olney.

It barely made the news.

^^^This is in our local schools. It’s a gang problem with rampant violence. It’s why many of them allegedly left Central America.

It's tragic that an adult was murdered somewhere unrelated to MCPS but this isn't an MCPS problem.

These gangs have their hooks in MCPS students too. Some of the student fentanyl and weed dealers are getting their supplies through gang ties.

I get that some posters always want to hype this nonsense but there hasn't been a single gang-related incident at MCPS in more than a decade.

Just because MCPS doesn’t label something as ‘gang-related’ does not mean that it is not.

It is politically incorrect to label something as gang-related, so MCPS will not do so.

There is most definitely gang-related violence and drug distribution going on IN our MCPS schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like I'm missing something. We're an Asian family at a W school. Both elementary school kids are 95%+ on MAPs (barely any supplementation other than Khan Academy). Both are straight A (P) students receiving enrichment and advanced coursework.

We haven't experienced horrible teachers or administration. Some bad behavior with kids, yes. We recently learned of a few families around us who are looking to move their kids to private, which got me wondering.

What are we missing with regards to how horrible MCPS is? What is better in private?

You are missing that you are on the top side of the achievement gap and wealthy inequality.

So that's the point. If your kid is a strong student, then MCPS is great. My kids are Asian too and attend lower ranking schools but have the same stats as PP's kids. My kids will end up at good universities. We're not fleeing. What I've noticed and I'm saying this in the nicest possible way.. is that white people don't like being in schools where their kids are the minority. They flee because they want their kids to have a huge peer group of white kids. They want that small town, Friday Night Lights atmosphere that's common in predominantly white areas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel like I'm missing something. We're an Asian family at a W school. Both elementary school kids are 95%+ on MAPs (barely any supplementation other than Khan Academy). Both are straight A (P) students receiving enrichment and advanced coursework.

We haven't experienced horrible teachers or administration. Some bad behavior with kids, yes. We recently learned of a few families around us who are looking to move their kids to private, which got me wondering.

What are we missing with regards to how horrible MCPS is? What is better in private?

95%+ elementary MAP is because they have high IQ, healthy home, supplementing with Khan(!) etc. Your kids would get that score anywhere. Your kids don't need elementary school, just day care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP here. But aren't most of the folks on this thread on the top side of the achievement gap and part of the wealthy? That's what it reads based on most of the previous comments.

Not the PP, but the other thing you are missing is that your kids are very young if they are still receiving Ps. Even at my kids' mixed income DCC-feeder elementary school, the real behavior issues weren't apparent until about 4th grade. When hormones kick in, and accumulated trauma starts to manifest, you can get some pretty extreme behaviors.

In the past, there were paths for motivated and well-behaved kids to avoid those children, as the "Honors" classes began in middle school. Now, "Honors" doesn't really begin until 11th grade for any subject other than math, which means that every single class is fully heterogenous. That includes not just kids with behavioral issues, but kids whose educational experience pre-MCPS was either disrupted or nonexistent.

By getting rid of Honors classes, dismantling METS (the program that used to serve kids with disrupted educations), and functionally eliminating the ability of teachers to impose consequences, MCPS has forced every kid into classrooms with highly disruptive and sometimes violent kids.

No one is winning here. Kids who are well prepared are getting frustrated, but kids who were goat herds until six months ago are also not being served. It is a lose-lose.