White flight from MCPS

[Anonymous]

Go read the thread on chronic absenteeism and note the links to older reports as well as more recent ones.

In short: the shifting demographics underscore the obvious fact that many Latinos aren’t interested in receiving an education and instead use school as an opportunity to recruit gang members and fuel criminal activity. Why is mcps cracking down this year? Because they need a legit mechanism to get these kids out of the system.

Note: we are talking about unaccompanied youth who came here on their own or first Gen youth living with their family/a family.

Mcps realizes they are pouring resources into a problem that can’t be fixed, so they are finally trying to move the problematic students along.

Too little, too late.

We have entire swaths of the county and certain schools with rather serious issues.

And the machete murder of the 18 year old girl wasn’t unrelated to our community or schools. There is a very real gang and trafficking issue in our area. These people live here and sometimes attend school. They certainly prey upon students.

Ask a black mcps admin how they feel about the resources invested in Latinos. Short answer: what about the black students?

[Anonymous]

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White people are having Hispanic and multiracial babies. Hybrid vigor.

Also having fewer babies in general than other raises, and not immigrating here in large numbers from elsewhere.

For at least the past 10 years, Hispanic, Black, Asian, and Multiracial have *each* had more *absolute* (not percentage!) population growth than White.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/all-recent-us-population-growth-comes-from-people-of-color-new-census-estimates-show/#1

Look at the two races or more category in the chart for MCPS. It doesn’t have explosive growth.

And if you watched the BOE meeting, they basically said a lot of the Hispanic students we’re picking up migrants fleeing from Central and South America.

So as a school system, we are replacing middle and higher income white students with higher need lower income Hispanic students. As a system that has an impact on the wellbeing and resources to the school system.

So you're a great replacement theorist, then?

No. I’m not even white.

That's what racists always claim to let us know it's okay for them to say racist things. It really isn't and nobody believes them.

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Some of the most anti-Black people I’ve encounter are Black and their need for approbation from White racists makes them an ideal spokesperson for white supremacy. All skinfolk ain’t kinfolk.

The "All skinfolk ain't kinfolk" mantra applies to people who tolerate and justify mediocrity and malfeasance because it has a black face attached to it, like Monifa and Joel. You have no standards and you don't care about the quality of education black kids get. You just want to argue about things that don't matter and don't make an impact.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like I'm missing something. We're an Asian family at a W school. Both elementary school kids are 95%+ on MAPs (barely any supplementation other than Khan Academy). Both are straight A (P) students receiving enrichment and advanced coursework.

We haven't experienced horrible teachers or administration. Some bad behavior with kids, yes. We recently learned of a few families around us who are looking to move their kids to private, which got me wondering.

What are we missing with regards to how horrible MCPS is? What is better in private?

95%+ elementary MAP is because they have high IQ, healthy home, supplementing with Khan(!) etc. Your kids would get that score anywhere. Your kids don't need elementary school, just day care.

PP again. My kids don't need day care (maybe yours do?). They love school and learning. MAPs don't measure science, social studies, writing, art, music, PE. There's a lot more to school than Reading and Math.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an elementary teacher. I am so thankful that my kids are in high school so they are almost out of the disaster known as MCPS. If they were in elementary I would have to find a way to send them to private. No children should have to attend some of these chaotic and unsafe schools. A student in the school I work at hit 18 (yes 18) students in one day in his class last week. Additionally he stuck several kids heads into trash cans. And this is not a one off. (Btw, don’t worry because I’m sure the half day in school suspension will really change things). How are kids supposed to learn when they are scared all the time?

I really wish that I could get out, but I’m too vested and will remain until I can retire. I don’t think it’s as much white flight as higher SES flight. If you have the means, you’re desperate to get out. As the whites traditionally have more means, you’re seeing a greater exodus. Just wish I could follow them…

This isnt an MCPS problem. It's happening all over the country right now. It's 100% a parenting problem. Parents do not raise their kids anymore. They rely on screens and schools to do it for them.

Parents rely on screens? Lol, have you spent anytime in a classroom lately? They spend half the day on a screen. If the problem is screens (and I’m not necessarily saying you’re wrong) the usage needs to be reduced at school too.

The biggest factors IMO is that schools are no longer allowed to discipline kids, and kids that used to be pulled out of mainstream classes are not anymore. The problem is just more visible to you now. Millennial parents aren’t necessarily any worse than boomer parents were.

What is this narrative that kids are on screens all day at school? I've worked in 5 different MCPS schools. I walk around on my preps and I don't see kids on screens. It is a rare occasion if I do. My classes don't use screens either. The only time is if they have free time, which with 43 minute classes, is a rarity. I know it might happen at SOME places, but again, I've been at 5 schools and the story has been consistently the same at all.

Go to any DCC high school. Those kids are on phones all day all the time.

[Anonymous]

I don’t blame them one bit. My family fled Central America in the early 80s looking for a better life, fleeing the civil war, gangs.and guerilla.

My parents instilled in me a strong value for education, we are a hard-working, law abiding and no nonsense family.

The problems, and frankly the people, who I’m seeing in our county now are the exact people and the exact circumstances that my family fled from. I’m sure this is an unpopular opinion and definitely not politically correct to say but I don’t care because my family lived and fled this in central America and now reliving it again here in Montgomery county.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like I'm missing something. We're an Asian family at a W school. Both elementary school kids are 95%+ on MAPs (barely any supplementation other than Khan Academy). Both are straight A (P) students receiving enrichment and advanced coursework.

We haven't experienced horrible teachers or administration. Some bad behavior with kids, yes. We recently learned of a few families around us who are looking to move their kids to private, which got me wondering.

What are we missing with regards to how horrible MCPS is? What is better in private?

You are missing that you are on the top side of the achievement gap and wealthy inequality.

So that's the point. If your kid is a strong student, then MCPS is great. My kids are Asian too and attend lower ranking schools but have the same stats as PP's kids. My kids will end up at good universities. We're not fleeing. What I've noticed and I'm saying this in the nicest possible way.. is that white people don't like being in schools where their kids are the minority. They flee because they want their kids to have a huge peer group of white kids. They want that small town, Friday Night Lights atmosphere that's common in predominantly white areas.

I'm the OP. I'm not white. Some of this might be true. I don't know. But the overarching thing I hear from middle and upper middle class white parents who send their kid to non-DCC schools has more to do with the poor test scores, rankings and what they see in the news about drugs and violence at the schools that cause them to send their kids elsewhere. And I can't honestly blame them for that. The test scores are poor, the college readiness scores are trash. It's a problem.

So white parents flock to the few schools in MCPS where the test scores and rankings are still good, like the W schools or Blair, within the DCC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t blame them one bit. My family fled Central America in the early 80s looking for a better life, fleeing the civil war, gangs.and guerilla.

My parents instilled in me a strong value for education, we are a hard-working, law abiding and no nonsense family.

The problems, and frankly the people, who I’m seeing in our county now are the exact people and the exact circumstances that my family fled from. I’m sure this is an unpopular opinion and definitely not politically correct to say but I don’t care because my family lived and fled this in central America and now reliving it again here in Montgomery county.

Thank you. I'm the OP and black and brown people like us have to say this stuff out loud. The people who are acting up and destroying our schools with destructive behaviors and mindsets DO NOT represent our race, ethnicity and our culture. As you say, they represent many of the things middle class black and brown families moved to Montgomery County to get away from.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an elementary teacher. I am so thankful that my kids are in high school so they are almost out of the disaster known as MCPS. If they were in elementary I would have to find a way to send them to private. No children should have to attend some of these chaotic and unsafe schools. A student in the school I work at hit 18 (yes 18) students in one day in his class last week. Additionally he stuck several kids heads into trash cans. And this is not a one off. (Btw, don’t worry because I’m sure the half day in school suspension will really change things). How are kids supposed to learn when they are scared all the time?

I really wish that I could get out, but I’m too vested and will remain until I can retire. I don’t think it’s as much white flight as higher SES flight. If you have the means, you’re desperate to get out. As the whites traditionally have more means, you’re seeing a greater exodus. Just wish I could follow them…

This isnt an MCPS problem. It's happening all over the country right now. It's 100% a parenting problem. Parents do not raise their kids anymore. They rely on screens and schools to do it for them.

Parents rely on screens? Lol, have you spent anytime in a classroom lately? They spend half the day on a screen. If the problem is screens (and I’m not necessarily saying you’re wrong) the usage needs to be reduced at school too.

The biggest factors IMO is that schools are no longer allowed to discipline kids, and kids that used to be pulled out of mainstream classes are not anymore. The problem is just more visible to you now. Millennial parents aren’t necessarily any worse than boomer parents were.

What is this narrative that kids are on screens all day at school? I've worked in 5 different MCPS schools. I walk around on my preps and I don't see kids on screens. It is a rare occasion if I do. My classes don't use screens either. The only time is if they have free time, which with 43 minute classes, is a rarity. I know it might happen at SOME places, but again, I've been at 5 schools and the story has been consistently the same at all.

Go to any DCC high school. Those kids are on phones all day all the time.

At our DCC school phones need to be kept in lockers and those used during schooldays are confiscated.

[Anonymous]

I think it's not white parents but rather well-off parents. It just so happens most well-off people in this county are white or Asian, so those will be the groups that flee to private.

We're zoned for a W school, and by third grade a number of our DC's classmates left for private and so did we. Our school was great, but it was clear from watching BOE meetings that there are big issues at the top and in central office. We are lucky to be able to easily afford $50k+ for private, so why not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's not white parents but rather well-off parents. It just so happens most well-off people in this county are white or Asian, so those will be the groups that flee to private.

We're zoned for a W school, and by third grade a number of our DC's classmates left for private and so did we. Our school was great, but it was clear from watching BOE meetings that there are big issues at the top and in central office. We are lucky to be able to easily afford $50k+ for private, so why not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's not white parents but rather well-off parents. It just so happens most well-off people in this county are white or Asian, so those will be the groups that flee to private.

We're zoned for a W school, and by third grade a number of our DC's classmates left for private and so did we. Our school was great, but it was clear from watching BOE meetings that there are big issues at the top and in central office. We are lucky to be able to easily afford $50k+ for private, so why not?

I think that's logical as well, but then MCPS goes very aggressive with stating that educators are racist and MCPS is steeped in white supremacist control and I can't imagine that lands and sits well with a lot of white families either.

I think talking about racism requires a lot of nuance and thoughtfulness otherwise, and the MCPS does it is sloppy, paints with too broad of a brush and seems to cause more division than solve problems.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like I'm missing something. We're an Asian family at a W school. Both elementary school kids are 95%+ on MAPs (barely any supplementation other than Khan Academy). Both are straight A (P) students receiving enrichment and advanced coursework.

We haven't experienced horrible teachers or administration. Some bad behavior with kids, yes. We recently learned of a few families around us who are looking to move their kids to private, which got me wondering.

What are we missing with regards to how horrible MCPS is? What is better in private?

You are missing that you are on the top side of the achievement gap and wealthy inequality.

So that's the point. If your kid is a strong student, then MCPS is great. My kids are Asian too and attend lower ranking schools but have the same stats as PP's kids. My kids will end up at good universities. We're not fleeing. What I've noticed and I'm saying this in the nicest possible way.. is that white people don't like being in schools where their kids are the minority. They flee because they want their kids to have a huge peer group of white kids. They want that small town, Friday Night Lights atmosphere that's common in predominantly white areas.

I'm the OP. I'm not white. Some of this might be true. I don't know. But the overarching thing I hear from middle and upper middle class white parents who send their kid to non-DCC schools has more to do with the poor test scores, rankings and what they see in the news about drugs and violence at the schools that cause them to send their kids elsewhere. And I can't honestly blame them for that. The test scores are poor, the college readiness scores are trash. It's a problem.

So white parents flock to the few schools in MCPS where the test scores and rankings are still good, like the W schools or Blair, within the DCC.

As a parent who had a kid in Frederick County up until 7th grade and is now in a predominantly black/brown MCPS middle school, I can attest that there is more rigor and options for smart and advanced students at MCPS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t blame them one bit. My family fled Central America in the early 80s looking for a better life, fleeing the civil war, gangs.and guerilla.

My parents instilled in me a strong value for education, we are a hard-working, law abiding and no nonsense family.

The problems, and frankly the people, who I’m seeing in our county now are the exact people and the exact circumstances that my family fled from. I’m sure this is an unpopular opinion and definitely not politically correct to say but I don’t care because my family lived and fled this in central America and now reliving it again here in Montgomery county.

Thank you. I'm the OP and black and brown people like us have to say this stuff out loud. The people who are acting up and destroying our schools with destructive behaviors and mindsets DO NOT represent our race, ethnicity and our culture. As you say, they represent many of the things middle class black and brown families moved to Montgomery County to get away from.

You’re welcome. But I would like to clarify that we were not a middle class family in Central America. We were very poor. So what we have to keep in mind is that this is an attitude, mentality and values issue. Education in the sense of being civil and cultured not always a class issue even though I recognize that many times they go hand-in-hand. I also see this with my black friends. They were never necessarily rich, but their families were respectful and civil. What we are seeing now is a terrible representation for us.

Frankly, it really bothers me that politicians, schools think so little of us that they they lower the bar in terms of expectations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's not white parents but rather well-off parents. It just so happens most well-off people in this county are white or Asian, so those will be the groups that flee to private.

We're zoned for a W school, and by third grade a number of our DC's classmates left for private and so did we. Our school was great, but it was clear from watching BOE meetings that there are big issues at the top and in central office. We are lucky to be able to easily afford $50k+ for private, so why not?

I guess we were lucky that our kids were actually smart and landed in HGC and magnets all the way through MCPS. I feel their education was vastly better than that offered by any DC private.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's not white parents but rather well-off parents. It just so happens most well-off people in this county are white or Asian, so those will be the groups that flee to private.

We're zoned for a W school, and by third grade a number of our DC's classmates left for private and so did we. Our school was great, but it was clear from watching BOE meetings that there are big issues at the top and in central office. We are lucky to be able to easily afford $50k+ for private, so why not?

Cool story, bro.