Long-term sub instead of classroom teacher

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We have one long term for a core subject teacher who quite mid-year. The sub hands out a packet then sits at her desk the whole class.

And you expect the untrained sub to do what differently?

[Anonymous]

I'm a teacher, and I truly don't understand why anyone would be a long term sub. If they actually do the job of teaching, it's the same amount of work as a regular teacher but for a fraction of the pay. Why would anyone do that? And it's not like new grads or others would need use it as a step into a regular teaching job since jobs are plentiful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher, and I truly don't understand why anyone would be a long term sub. If they actually do the job of teaching, it's the same amount of work as a regular teacher but for a fraction of the pay. Why would anyone do that? And it's not like new grads or others would need use it as a step into a regular teaching job since jobs are plentiful.

You don't have to have a teaching certificate. It's immediate cash.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher, and I truly don't understand why anyone would be a long term sub. If they actually do the job of teaching, it's the same amount of work as a regular teacher but for a fraction of the pay. Why would anyone do that? And it's not like new grads or others would need use it as a step into a regular teaching job since jobs are plentiful.

I'm a former long-term sub and did it to see if I might be interested in pursuing a teaching degree. I'm extremely glad I did it because it showed me, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that I did NOT want to proceed with this plan. Saved myself countless hours and thousands of dollars. Invaluable, really.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher, and I truly don't understand why anyone would be a long term sub. If they actually do the job of teaching, it's the same amount of work as a regular teacher but for a fraction of the pay. Why would anyone do that? And it's not like new grads or others would need use it as a step into a regular teaching job since jobs are plentiful.

You don't have to have a teaching certificate. It's immediate cash.

DP
But why not just do individual/daily jobs? With that you don't end up with all that a long-term sub has to do. Long- term is about $6 more an hour, but is that worth the planning, grading, meetings, etc?

Arrive, sign in, pick up your laptop, badge and key, cover for the day, drop off your badge and key, sign out. Done. I'm a retiree sub and that's what I prefer.

[Anonymous]

My 5th grader has a long term sub for both art and music. My 8th grader has a long term sub for his language class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher, and I truly don't understand why anyone would be a long term sub. If they actually do the job of teaching, it's the same amount of work as a regular teacher but for a fraction of the pay. Why would anyone do that? And it's not like new grads or others would need use it as a step into a regular teaching job since jobs are plentiful.

You don't have to have a teaching certificate. It's immediate cash.

DP
But why not just do individual/daily jobs? With that you don't end up with all that a long-term sub has to do. Long- term is about $6 more an hour, but is that worth the planning, grading, meetings, etc?

Arrive, sign in, pick up your laptop, badge and key, cover for the day, drop off your badge and key, sign out. Done. I'm a retiree sub and that's what I prefer.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher, and I truly don't understand why anyone would be a long term sub. If they actually do the job of teaching, it's the same amount of work as a regular teacher but for a fraction of the pay. Why would anyone do that? And it's not like new grads or others would need use it as a step into a regular teaching job since jobs are plentiful.

This is so true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher, and I truly don't understand why anyone would be a long term sub. If they actually do the job of teaching, it's the same amount of work as a regular teacher but for a fraction of the pay. Why would anyone do that? And it's not like new grads or others would need use it as a step into a regular teaching job since jobs are plentiful.

You don't have to have a teaching certificate. It's immediate cash.

DP
But why not just do individual/daily jobs? With that you don't end up with all that a long-term sub has to do. Long- term is about $6 more an hour, but is that worth the planning, grading, meetings, etc?

Arrive, sign in, pick up your laptop, badge and key, cover for the day, drop off your badge and key, sign out. Done. I'm a retiree sub and that's what I prefer.

True but my school can't even get regular subs....apparently the cash is not worth it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 5th grader has a long term sub for both art and music. My 8th grader has a long term sub for his language class.

I don’t know what it is with specialists in elementary but our school has had them out or quit over the last few years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 5th grader has a long term sub for both art and music. My 8th grader has a long term sub for his language class.

I don’t know what it is with specialists in elementary but our school has had them out or quit over the last few years.

I'll tell you some of the reasons my friend gave me for quitting mid-year from an elementary music position. She was at multiple schools (3 throughout each week). That means dealing with 3 different admin/discipline approaches. Specials teachers see the kids for such a short amount of time each week that it can take longer to build relationships and create consistent classroom discipline. Often the IEP kids that have aides all day in their classroom don't have an aide come with the specials. So you're on your own to control a classroom of kids who are away from their "real teacher". And you have to create appropriate content for 7 different grade levels of students. It's a lot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher, and I truly don't understand why anyone would be a long term sub. If they actually do the job of teaching, it's the same amount of work as a regular teacher but for a fraction of the pay. Why would anyone do that? And it's not like new grads or others would need use it as a step into a regular teaching job since jobs are plentiful.

Jobs are plentiful, but not that easy to get. I'm a teacher and in spite of all the openings, you still have to jump through so many hoops to even get an interview. You fill out all the paperwork online, and then it doesn't go anywhere. Principals have openings, and apparently don't have time to do interviews. It's a hot mess of incompetence and complacency. It's actually easier to take a long-term sub job and get hired from that than to come in from outside.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher, and I truly don't understand why anyone would be a long term sub. If they actually do the job of teaching, it's the same amount of work as a regular teacher but for a fraction of the pay. Why would anyone do that? And it's not like new grads or others would need use it as a step into a regular teaching job since jobs are plentiful.

You don't have to have a teaching certificate. It's immediate cash.

DP
But why not just do individual/daily jobs? With that you don't end up with all that a long-term sub has to do. Long- term is about $6 more an hour, but is that worth the planning, grading, meetings, etc?

Arrive, sign in, pick up your laptop, badge and key, cover for the day, drop off your badge and key, sign out. Done. I'm a retiree sub and that's what I prefer.

Because daily jobs mean not knowing where you're going each day, or what time, and even if you're going. If you get to the point where you can get them booked ahead of time then it's fine, but if you're new to subbing then you get random calls in the morning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher, and I truly don't understand why anyone would be a long term sub. If they actually do the job of teaching, it's the same amount of work as a regular teacher but for a fraction of the pay. Why would anyone do that? And it's not like new grads or others would need use it as a step into a regular teaching job since jobs are plentiful.

I'm a former long-term sub and did it to see if I might be interested in pursuing a teaching degree. I'm extremely glad I did it because it showed me, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that I did NOT want to proceed with this plan. Saved myself countless hours and thousands of dollars. Invaluable, really.

Same. I love kids and did some LTS in elementary. The behavioral issues and lack of parenting are off the charts. There are many great kids, but the one who clearly have no structure or reinforcement at home, combined with the heavy workload and low pay, made it clear that this career change wasn't for me. I'm glad I tried being a long term sub (and I actually tried to give it a solid effort!) before putting in the time and money to get another degree, but it was just not worth it.

I still sub from time to time - it's nice to have the flexibility to have some extra cash whenever I want, as there's no shortage of sub requests daily.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have one long term for a core subject teacher who quite mid-year. The sub hands out a packet then sits at her desk the whole class.

And you expect the untrained sub to do what differently?

I expect the school to put in a little more effort to find someone who will actually try to teach something.