Long-term sub instead of classroom teacher

[Anonymous]

my DS 6th grade teacher is a long-term sub.

The "Teacher in trainee" quit doing Winter Break, she told us. She wrote an email telling us she love teacher bs and then she going to miss us so much.......

[Anonymous]

What really gets me are the parents and other teachers (and posters here on DCUM) who are so dismissive and snotty about the long-term subs themselves. It's not their fault and they're scrambling madly to do the job they were hired for. It's the fault of FCPS for losing so many teachers and then thinking hiring a long-term sub is a cure-all. It's not. Long-term subbing has got to be the most thankless task ever, because you're expected to do everything a teacher does - grading, conferences, planning - with none of the training and a tiny fraction of the pay. Ask me how I know. Never, ever again.

[Anonymous]

Several long term subs for MS classes. Truly unfortunate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was a long term sub last year and left after two weeks. It was clear the principal had no real intention of finding a permanent teacher, and in the meantime, I was going to be responsible for report cards, teacher conferences, etc. - not to mention, an incredibly unruly group of students who made it impossible for the others to learn or even hear. It was just absurd, especially considering the pennies subs are paid. No thanks.

It pays about $25/ hour before taxes. No benefits. Not paid for the half hour of lunch time during which you often continue working (at least in elementary schools) and can’t go anywhere.

The workload way exceeds the school day, if you’re going to actually teach and be responsible for reports and record keeping. This “high pay” doesn’t kick in until the 11th day in a row.

Subbing day to day pays less, but also will not consume the rest of your life.

Make it worthwhile and they might get long term subs. Or subs who know the subject. This situation is bad for kids.
Teachers were hammered during Covid, and then publicly blamed everything.

Public education needs help for sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What really gets me are the parents and other teachers (and posters here on DCUM) who are so dismissive and snotty about the long-term subs themselves. It's not their fault and they're scrambling madly to do the job they were hired for. It's the fault of FCPS for losing so many teachers and then thinking hiring a long-term sub is a cure-all. It's not. Long-term subbing has got to be the most thankless task ever, because you're expected to do everything a teacher does - grading, conferences, planning - with none of the training and a tiny fraction of the pay. Ask me how I know. Never, ever again.

FCPS has relatively high teacher retention. There is a teacher shortage nationwide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What really gets me are the parents and other teachers (and posters here on DCUM) who are so dismissive and snotty about the long-term subs themselves. It's not their fault and they're scrambling madly to do the job they were hired for. It's the fault of FCPS for losing so many teachers and then thinking hiring a long-term sub is a cure-all. It's not. Long-term subbing has got to be the most thankless task ever, because you're expected to do everything a teacher does - grading, conferences, planning - with none of the training and a tiny fraction of the pay. Ask me how I know. Never, ever again.

FCPS has relatively high teacher retention. There is a teacher shortage nationwide.

I'm not in FCPS, but there is probably a teacher shortage there for the same reason there is a teacher shortage everywhere, which is that districts often have terrible policies and are afraid of parents. FCPS could do something different to increase teacher retention but they aren't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What really gets me are the parents and other teachers (and posters here on DCUM) who are so dismissive and snotty about the long-term subs themselves. It's not their fault and they're scrambling madly to do the job they were hired for. It's the fault of FCPS for losing so many teachers and then thinking hiring a long-term sub is a cure-all. It's not. Long-term subbing has got to be the most thankless task ever, because you're expected to do everything a teacher does - grading, conferences, planning - with none of the training and a tiny fraction of the pay. Ask me how I know. Never, ever again.

FCPS has relatively high teacher retention. There is a teacher shortage nationwide.

I'm not in FCPS, but there is probably a teacher shortage there for the same reason there is a teacher shortage everywhere, which is that districts often have terrible policies and are afraid of parents. FCPS could do something different to increase teacher retention but they aren't.

Many schools have a toxic environment and staff are disrespected and devalued each day. Enjoy the shortage it's getting worse. This school system is for the birds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:my DS 6th grade teacher is a long-term sub.

The "Teacher in trainee" quit doing Winter Break, she told us. She wrote an email telling us she love teacher bs and then she going to miss us so much.......

It's because she saw the writing on the wall and all the bs she would have to put up with. And you're right she will not miss you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm curious as to how many schools are still seeing long-term subs versus a permanent teacher. Do you have any classes where it's a long-term sub instead of a teacher?

We have three long term subs in our "highly rated" ES school

In the entire.school? That's not that bad.

Some schools have far more than three.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Several long term subs for MS classes. Truly unfortunate.

Your child alone has several long-term subs among his/her 7-8 classes? Wow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm curious as to how many schools are still seeing long-term subs versus a permanent teacher. Do you have any classes where it's a long-term sub instead of a teacher?

We have three long term subs in our "highly rated" ES school

In the entire.school? That's not that bad.

Some schools have far more than three.

It is because we also have 4 teacher trainees.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my DS 6th grade teacher is a long-term sub.

The "Teacher in trainee" quit doing Winter Break, she told us. She wrote an email telling us she love teacher bs and then she going to miss us so much.......

It's because she saw the writing on the wall and all the bs she would have to put up with. And you're right she will not miss you.

+1
Don't blame her a bit.

[Anonymous]

I just posted on a different thread. One of my kids had a long term sub for what turned into maybe 4 months. There was only real teaching for a few weeks, then sporadic teaching and lots of time to do homework from other classes.

In elementary one of my kids had a long term sub who was outstanding and then ended up hiring her when the teacher decided not to return. She brand new to the field and eager to apply to everything she learned with enthusiasm. Fantastic with the kids. I nominated her for an award.

[Anonymous]

We have one long term for a core subject teacher who quite mid-year. The sub hands out a packet then sits at her desk the whole class.

[Anonymous]

We have been lucky so far - this year no long term subs for any of my kids.