Long-term sub instead of classroom teacher

[Anonymous]

Is this an FCPS problem? Not FCPS but neither of the two schools my attend have any teacher openings now.

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Anonymous wrote:Does seem like no one wants to sub as the most recent subs I know of, their just prior jobs were UPS driver and don’t know where but retail. Do subs even need college degree at this point or does FCPS need all comers to fill positions whether went to college or not?

No one wants to teach period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is this an FCPS problem? Not FCPS but neither of the two schools my attend have any teacher openings now.

It's a huge FCPS problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does seem like no one wants to sub as the most recent subs I know of, their just prior jobs were UPS driver and don’t know where but retail. Do subs even need college degree at this point or does FCPS need all comers to fill positions whether went to college or not?

No one wants to teach period.

Can’t blame them, at this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does seem like no one wants to sub as the most recent subs I know of, their just prior jobs were UPS driver and don’t know where but retail. Do subs even need college degree at this point or does FCPS need all comers to fill positions whether went to college or not?

What a strange post.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious as to how many schools are still seeing long-term subs versus a permanent teacher. Do you have any classes where it's a long-term sub instead of a teacher?

How is a student’s education affected by LT sub vs teacher?

It would be like having a babysitter all the time and comparing how you’re cared for to the kids whose parents are the ones taking care of them. It’s a person in the room most likely handing them premade material to do- at best, they’re attempting to teach it but they aren’t usually licensed teachers so they’re shaky on how to teach or the content itself. In other words, it’s education only in the most technical of technicalities.

-teacher

Before we get so snotty about LT subs, there are LT subs who are just as qualified as you, teaching license and all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does seem like no one wants to sub as the most recent subs I know of, their just prior jobs were UPS driver and don’t know where but retail. Do subs even need college degree at this point or does FCPS need all comers to fill positions whether went to college or not?

What a strange post.

Teachers are starting sh*t. There are qualified, as in licensed, mostly from another state, who are quite capable of being very good long-term subs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm curious as to how many schools are still seeing long-term subs versus a permanent teacher. Do you have any classes where it's a long-term sub instead of a teacher?

We have three long term subs in our "highly rated" ES school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was a long term sub last year and left after two weeks. It was clear the principal had no real intention of finding a permanent teacher, and in the meantime, I was going to be responsible for report cards, teacher conferences, etc. - not to mention, an incredibly unruly group of students who made it impossible for the others to learn or even hear. It was just absurd, especially considering the pennies subs are paid. No thanks.

Yup!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious as to how many schools are still seeing long-term subs versus a permanent teacher. Do you have any classes where it's a long-term sub instead of a teacher?

We have three long term subs in our "highly rated" ES school

One classroom I know of has had three different subs this year. It's not great for learning and making progress. But this is where we are in education.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious as to how many schools are still seeing long-term subs versus a permanent teacher. Do you have any classes where it's a long-term sub instead of a teacher?

How is a student’s education affected by LT sub vs teacher?

My ES child had one two years in a row, she's a year behind in both reading and math.

This is education under false pretense if this LT sub doesn’t have the qualification and experience equivalent to a teacher.

That is a term you made up. Unfortunately, this is fully legal. There’s nothing you can do about it- you can compulsorily force people to be teachers. If a long term sub is all they can, it’s all they can get. There are not applicants for teaching jobs anymore. At my school we lost 9 people in EL and on the first day of school we still had 7 of those openings. It isn’t because the school is picky. Literally nobody applies.

Is child neglect by “educators” a better phrase?

If these unqualified LT subs are mostly in the classrooms of EL or SPED or Non-White students, it is unlawful discrimination. https://www.justice.gov/crt/types-educational-opportunities-discrimination

If FCPS doesn’t already have fed complaints about this, they will once parents realize their children aren’t learning like the students with qualified teachers.

You are still just crafting a made up narrative. Now, for no reason, you believe subs are only in self contained rooms and majority non-white classes? That’s ludicrous and inaccurate - the teacher can be out long term in any class for a variety of reasons. If there isn’t a licensed teacher willing or available to fill that role OR it’s for a finite duration and not a year long contract, the district has fulfilled its obligation by putting a long term sub in there. We can agree it’s likely not as quality of an education as an actual teacher, but also some actual teachers aren’t great, and you don’t necessarily get high quality education out of every class. That doesn’t mean there is educational malpractice or whatever term you created .

FCPS meets their obligation to educate a student when they regularly place qualified Educators in their classroom or they pay to educate the student elsewhere.

Fed OCR investigation found that FCPS violated federal law for remote learning students and have paid out $5.5 million so far to correct their educational malpractice and child neglect. https://wjla.com/renderer/wjla/amp/news/crisis-in-the-classrooms/fairfax-county-public-schools-fcps-special-education-students-services-missed-during-pandemic-superintendent-dr-michelle-reid-compensatory-process

When FCPS publishes all their data on the class of students that experience an unqualified sub vs qualified teacher every day, then we can debate more. Meanwhile, we can use your school with the 7 missing EL teachers as an example of the discrimination taking place.[/quote

If legal action happens on this issue at some point here's the end result: MUCH higher taxes for everyone. TBH, that's what needs to happen. In order to hire people willing to teach, we need to pay them much, much more. And sped and bilingual, ESL and math or science all need to START at $150K in order to get people to take those positions. I'm sped and ESL certified and that's what it'd take for me to take a position in those fields (and then only if they could hire enough people to provide appropriate caseloads--I wouldn't do it with the kinds of loads I'm currently seeing these folks take on).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is this an FCPS problem? Not FCPS but neither of the two schools my attend have any teacher openings now.

That you know of. And two schools in a district are a drop in the bucket.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is this an FCPS problem? Not FCPS but neither of the two schools my attend have any teacher openings now.

That you know of. And two schools in a district are a drop in the bucket.

Yup you might have hit the jackpot/unicorn of schools and it's not a toxic environment. Also remember some principals don't post job and some post multiple jobs under one listing. FCPS offers very little transparency

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Anonymous wrote:Is this an FCPS problem? Not FCPS but neither of the two schools my attend have any teacher openings now.

That you know of. And two schools in a district are a drop in the bucket.

This thread is 1.5 years old.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this an FCPS problem? Not FCPS but neither of the two schools my attend have any teacher openings now.

That you know of. And two schools in a district are a drop in the bucket.

This thread is 1.5 years old.

No, it's not? 10/2023 is four months old.