What's happening in FL colleges is kind of scary

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how a thread on changes to an honors college in Florida became derailed by abortion but….

New College is an extremely left leaning honors college with no sports teams and no grades - only pass/fail. The changes are really extreme given this background. But at the same time, I see the word “cisgender,” and I tune out. Older generations of the college have found the current students, often obnoxious and absurd in that way only people who drop the Nazi bomb over everything can be. (By the way, I wonder how offensive it would be to actual Holocaust victims to hear the left hand wring “Nazi!” All the damn time).

So it’s concerning yet at the same time by adding conservative students you are creating diversity beyond the echo chamber that existed before. I don’t think New College was the sort of place anyone to the middle or right would have been comfortable attending before.

+1 Exactly

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how a thread on changes to an honors college in Florida became derailed by abortion but….

New College is an extremely left leaning honors college with no sports teams and no grades - only pass/fail. The changes are really extreme given this background. But at the same time, I see the word “cisgender,” and I tune out. Older generations of the college have found the current students, often obnoxious and absurd in that way only people who drop the Nazi bomb over everything can be. (By the way, I wonder how offensive it would be to actual Holocaust victims to hear the left hand wring “Nazi!” All the damn time).

So it’s concerning yet at the same time by adding conservative students you are creating diversity beyond the echo chamber that existed before. I don’t think New College was the sort of place anyone to the middle or right would have been comfortable attending before.

Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how a thread on changes to an honors college in Florida became derailed by abortion but….

New College is an extremely left leaning honors college with no sports teams and no grades - only pass/fail. The changes are really extreme given this background. But at the same time, I see the word “cisgender,” and I tune out. Older generations of the college have found the current students, often obnoxious and absurd in that way only people who drop the Nazi bomb over everything can be. (By the way, I wonder how offensive it would be to actual Holocaust victims to hear the left hand wring “Nazi!” All the damn time).

So it’s concerning yet at the same time by adding conservative students you are creating diversity beyond the echo chamber that existed before. I don’t think New College was the sort of place anyone to the middle or right would have been comfortable attending before.

Generally speaking, people of color and people who are LGBTQ do not want to be around people who don't believe they have the right to exist or the right to have the same freedoms as themselves. So when people like you both-sides this, you fail to see life through the oppressed people's lens. If you cannot accept or acknowledge the two-tiered experience, then you shouldn't be commenting on it with any authority. So no, not exactly.

[Anonymous]

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1. Why is abortion so often used as birth control?

2. Why are Democrats so against pregnant women having the opportunity to actually see their human fetus on a sonogram? Is is because it looks like a baby with its own separate beating heart?

1. It’s not.
2. It doesn’t and it isn’t.


What’s happening in Florida is disgusting. It’s what the GOP wants across the country. Schools less educational, healthcare politicized, books banned, thoughts controlled by the religious right… vote accordingly.

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Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

You understand that anything can happen during a pregnancy such that it becomes a danger to her health, right?

Yes. And I also understand that Florida allows for abortions in situations that endanger the life of mom or baby.

And also, you have to consider your personal situation when you make choices. Not only your financial circumstances, but also your goals and moral stances. We are more interested in birth than abortion. I wouldn't interfere with my daughter getting an abortion, but I don't consider abortion to be a foremost consideration, and in fact, I would be much more open to buying my daughter a house and hiring a nanny for her vs encouraging abortion.

Furthermore, I find it odd that blue states are so incredibly fixated on ensuring that young women are able to abort under any circumstances, and are less focused on promoting values and lifestyles that tend to lead to happiness. I want my kid to be happy. Statistically, she's more likely to be happy as a married mom with conservative values. Yes, there are downsides to red states, and to Florida, but looking at the totality of circumstances, she's better off there than in a blue state.

Here's my citations:

Married women happier: https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-long-term-health-and-happiness-marriage-still-matters-86114ced

Conservative women happier: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-are-liberal-women-so-unhappy

Well stated. And, bonus points for the citations.
But, your well reasoned and well expressed post will not stop people here from calling you "forced birther" or even imply you are racist. It has already happened. It is who they are.
I agree with everything you said. I have two kids. One lives in FL and loves it. And, we love visiting the family when we can.
Isn't it crazy that most any discussion on this board somehow always turns into a discussion about abortion? It is like an obsession with people here. And, the ironic thing is the most - if not all of them - live in states or in DC where there are no limits on abortion.

The difference between conservatives and liberals is that liberals care about other people. So there are states that are greatly impinging on women and girls' rights to bodily autonomy, and that means we liberals in other states actually care about what happens to those girls and women. Unlike conservatives whose thinking is more along the lines of "I've got mine, too bad for you."

Prove me wrong!

Liberals do not care about those people in the womb. Many of those are girls as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

You understand that anything can happen during a pregnancy such that it becomes a danger to her health, right?

Yes. And I also understand that Florida allows for abortions in situations that endanger the life of mom or baby.

And also, you have to consider your personal situation when you make choices. Not only your financial circumstances, but also your goals and moral stances. We are more interested in birth than abortion. I wouldn't interfere with my daughter getting an abortion, but I don't consider abortion to be a foremost consideration, and in fact, I would be much more open to buying my daughter a house and hiring a nanny for her vs encouraging abortion.

Furthermore, I find it odd that blue states are so incredibly fixated on ensuring that young women are able to abort under any circumstances, and are less focused on promoting values and lifestyles that tend to lead to happiness. I want my kid to be happy. Statistically, she's more likely to be happy as a married mom with conservative values. Yes, there are downsides to red states, and to Florida, but looking at the totality of circumstances, she's better off there than in a blue state.

Here's my citations:

Married women happier: https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-long-term-health-and-happiness-marriage-still-matters-86114ced

Conservative women happier: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-are-liberal-women-so-unhappy

omg.. you reference an opinion piece from an utlra right wing "news" source like Washington Examiner?

I'm from a conservative family and culture. I went to church most of my life. I don't necessarily think married women are happier. I am glad that women have choices.

Yes, women should be able to choose to abort under any circumstances because it's their bodies. If you are not going to help women take care of the children because those women cannot take care of the babies, then you have no say in whether she has her baby or not. Mind your own business. Government should stay out of people's health choices and personal lives, right?

You're just a forced birther and don't really care about babies.

It's incredibly important to you that babies are aborted. I don't agree. In fact, we have a baby shortage in this country, and it will harm us economically in the near future. So I tend to be more interested in policies that incentivize birth. You disagree. There are states for people like you, and states for people like me. Once upon a time, the left was tolerant of different perspectives-- back when I was a liberal.

We don't have a baby shortage. Well I suppose if you are only considering white babies. Is THAT what you are trying to say?

Birth rate statistics don't break it out by race. We have one birth rate. And it is too small for us to be able to fund the government the way we like to. We need to be able to fund our defense, take care of our vulnerable, etc, and that only works when we have enough working age people alive to fund it.

And then you complain about "open borders" when it is clear we need more people

Undocumented Immigrants don't tend to go on to be huge contributors to the economy. So if the plan is to allow undocumented people in, rather than to have babies, we end up back at the original problem of not enough workers (with reasonably high salaries) to fund the government. The government makes money through taxes, and poorer people can't pay as much as richer people. That means tax revenue will decline and we won't be able to pay for things like WIC. Unfortunately, there is no way around fostering a culture that values work, family, etc-- if we want to have the government pay for things, we have to ensure it is properly funded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how a thread on changes to an honors college in Florida became derailed by abortion but….

New College is an extremely left leaning honors college with no sports teams and no grades - only pass/fail. The changes are really extreme given this background. But at the same time, I see the word “cisgender,” and I tune out. Older generations of the college have found the current students, often obnoxious and absurd in that way only people who drop the Nazi bomb over everything can be. (By the way, I wonder how offensive it would be to actual Holocaust victims to hear the left hand wring “Nazi!” All the damn time).

So it’s concerning yet at the same time by adding conservative students you are creating diversity beyond the echo chamber that existed before. I don’t think New College was the sort of place anyone to the middle or right would have been comfortable attending before.

Generally speaking, people of color and people who are LGBTQ do not want to be around people who don't believe they have the right to exist or the right to have the same freedoms as themselves. So when people like you both-sides this, you fail to see life through the oppressed people's lens. If you cannot accept or acknowledge the two-tiered experience, then you shouldn't be commenting on it with any authority. So no, not exactly.

Please. LGBTQ people or POC with conservative values are definitely not welcome in blue states. You only support people's "right to exist" when they agree with you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

You understand that anything can happen during a pregnancy such that it becomes a danger to her health, right?

Yes. And I also understand that Florida allows for abortions in situations that endanger the life of mom or baby.

And also, you have to consider your personal situation when you make choices. Not only your financial circumstances, but also your goals and moral stances. We are more interested in birth than abortion. I wouldn't interfere with my daughter getting an abortion, but I don't consider abortion to be a foremost consideration, and in fact, I would be much more open to buying my daughter a house and hiring a nanny for her vs encouraging abortion.

Furthermore, I find it odd that blue states are so incredibly fixated on ensuring that young women are able to abort under any circumstances, and are less focused on promoting values and lifestyles that tend to lead to happiness. I want my kid to be happy. Statistically, she's more likely to be happy as a married mom with conservative values. Yes, there are downsides to red states, and to Florida, but looking at the totality of circumstances, she's better off there than in a blue state.

Here's my citations:

Married women happier: https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-long-term-health-and-happiness-marriage-still-matters-86114ced

Conservative women happier: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-are-liberal-women-so-unhappy

It sounds like you want your daughter to get her Mrs. Degree, instead of ensuring she has access to quality education and make her own reproductive choices.

You might want to do some further research, beyond right-wing new sources, as single women tend to the best the happiest:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-happy-children-spouse-partner-relationship-unmarried-a8931816.html
https://www.indy100.com/news/women-happier-single-relationship-study
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/why-bad-looks-good/202102/why-so-many-single-women-without-children-are-happy

I don't consider being a mother and a wife to be at odds with a quality education, and I find it strange and misogynistic that you do.

And yes, I've stated over and over that I don't look at a college and ask myself, "yes, but how efficiently can the women get abortions?" This is a bizarre lens through which to view colleges. Especially when birth control is a thing.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

You understand that anything can happen during a pregnancy such that it becomes a danger to her health, right?

Yes. And I also understand that Florida allows for abortions in situations that endanger the life of mom or baby.

And also, you have to consider your personal situation when you make choices. Not only your financial circumstances, but also your goals and moral stances. We are more interested in birth than abortion. I wouldn't interfere with my daughter getting an abortion, but I don't consider abortion to be a foremost consideration, and in fact, I would be much more open to buying my daughter a house and hiring a nanny for her vs encouraging abortion.

Furthermore, I find it odd that blue states are so incredibly fixated on ensuring that young women are able to abort under any circumstances, and are less focused on promoting values and lifestyles that tend to lead to happiness. I want my kid to be happy. Statistically, she's more likely to be happy as a married mom with conservative values. Yes, there are downsides to red states, and to Florida, but looking at the totality of circumstances, she's better off there than in a blue state.

Here's my citations:

Married women happier: https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-long-term-health-and-happiness-marriage-still-matters-86114ced

Conservative women happier: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-are-liberal-women-so-unhappy

It sounds like you want your daughter to get her Mrs. Degree, instead of ensuring she has access to quality education and make her own reproductive choices.

You might want to do some further research, beyond right-wing new sources, as single women tend to the best the happiest:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-happy-children-spouse-partner-relationship-unmarried-a8931816.html
https://www.indy100.com/news/women-happier-single-relationship-study
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/why-bad-looks-good/202102/why-so-many-single-women-without-children-are-happy

I don't consider being a mother and a wife to be at odds with a quality education, and I find it strange and misogynistic that you do.

And yes, I've stated over and over that I don't look at a college and ask myself, "yes, but how efficiently can the women get abortions?" This is a bizarre lens through which to view colleges. Especially when birth control is a thing.

Birth control can fail.
Fetal anomalies incompatible with life are a thing that can happen to anyone.
There are a multitude of conditions that can occur during pregnancy and threaten a woman’s health/life.
Why would I want my DDs to live in a state that may prove a hindrance to receiving appropriate, timely health care?

[Anonymous]

Again, DeSantis has made entire majors illegal.

It is insanity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again, DeSantis has made entire majors illegal.

It is insanity.

"Illegal"? Hyperbole much? Removing a major at a particular school doesn't make it illegal - if you want to major in it, go to another school. Honestly, this thread is so over-the-top absurd.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

You understand that anything can happen during a pregnancy such that it becomes a danger to her health, right?

Yes. And I also understand that Florida allows for abortions in situations that endanger the life of mom or baby.

And also, you have to consider your personal situation when you make choices. Not only your financial circumstances, but also your goals and moral stances. We are more interested in birth than abortion. I wouldn't interfere with my daughter getting an abortion, but I don't consider abortion to be a foremost consideration, and in fact, I would be much more open to buying my daughter a house and hiring a nanny for her vs encouraging abortion.

Furthermore, I find it odd that blue states are so incredibly fixated on ensuring that young women are able to abort under any circumstances, and are less focused on promoting values and lifestyles that tend to lead to happiness. I want my kid to be happy. Statistically, she's more likely to be happy as a married mom with conservative values. Yes, there are downsides to red states, and to Florida, but looking at the totality of circumstances, she's better off there than in a blue state.

Here's my citations:

Married women happier: https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-long-term-health-and-happiness-marriage-still-matters-86114ced

Conservative women happier: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-are-liberal-women-so-unhappy

It sounds like you want your daughter to get her Mrs. Degree, instead of ensuring she has access to quality education and make her own reproductive choices.

You might want to do some further research, beyond right-wing new sources, as single women tend to the best the happiest:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-happy-children-spouse-partner-relationship-unmarried-a8931816.html
https://www.indy100.com/news/women-happier-single-relationship-study
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/why-bad-looks-good/202102/why-so-many-single-women-without-children-are-happy

I don't consider being a mother and a wife to be at odds with a quality education, and I find it strange and misogynistic that you do.

And yes, I've stated over and over that I don't look at a college and ask myself, "yes, but how efficiently can the women get abortions?" This is a bizarre lens through which to view colleges. Especially when birth control is a thing.

Birth control can fail.
Fetal anomalies incompatible with life are a thing that can happen to anyone.
There are a multitude of conditions that can occur during pregnancy and threaten a woman’s health/life.
Why would I want my DDs to live in a state that may prove a hindrance to receiving appropriate, timely health care?

DP. You are obsessed with the topic of abortion, so much so that you drop it into every.single.thread. Should we report you for being grossly off-topic?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how a thread on changes to an honors college in Florida became derailed by abortion but….

New College is an extremely left leaning honors college with no sports teams and no grades - only pass/fail. The changes are really extreme given this background. But at the same time, I see the word “cisgender,” and I tune out. Older generations of the college have found the current students, often obnoxious and absurd in that way only people who drop the Nazi bomb over everything can be. (By the way, I wonder how offensive it would be to actual Holocaust victims to hear the left hand wring “Nazi!” All the damn time).

So it’s concerning yet at the same time by adding conservative students you are creating diversity beyond the echo chamber that existed before. I don’t think New College was the sort of place anyone to the middle or right would have been comfortable attending before.

Thank you.

+100
The inanity of claiming LGBT people "aren't welcome" - just because they are now being treated like everyone else instead? How refreshing!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, DeSantis has made entire majors illegal.

It is insanity.

"Illegal"? Hyperbole much? Removing a major at a particular school doesn't make it illegal - if you want to major in it, go to another school. Honestly, this thread is so over-the-top absurd.

There is a statute that it is not legal to teach these courses. Look it up.

If if is FORBIDDEN, it is ILLEGAL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how a thread on changes to an honors college in Florida became derailed by abortion but….

New College is an extremely left leaning honors college with no sports teams and no grades - only pass/fail. The changes are really extreme given this background. But at the same time, I see the word “cisgender,” and I tune out. Older generations of the college have found the current students, often obnoxious and absurd in that way only people who drop the Nazi bomb over everything can be. (By the way, I wonder how offensive it would be to actual Holocaust victims to hear the left hand wring “Nazi!” All the damn time).

So it’s concerning yet at the same time by adding conservative students you are creating diversity beyond the echo chamber that existed before. I don’t think New College was the sort of place anyone to the middle or right would have been comfortable attending before.

Thank you.

+100
The inanity of claiming LGBT people "aren't welcome" - just because they are now being treated like everyone else instead? How refreshing!

No, they are not being treated as equal. DeSantis has made it clear he is trying to erase them.