What's happening in FL colleges is kind of scary

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Anonymous wrote:Abortion is bad enough, but Florida is also killing majors in doesn't like and altering courses to erase the sins of history.

Because, hey, slavery teaches valuable job skills!

Ben Sasse, the DeSantis pick for UF president, hides from the students because he is so unpopular on camps. He is on the record to slash majors and raise in-state tuition. The NYTimes did a great piece on his slithery ways.

I think I understand what you are trying to say, but can we just teach history, instead of “the sins of history”?

What? History includes sins, mega sins, many times over. How do you teach any history without including the sins????

That’s why Florida schools have taken out all the books about African American history.

Why do you lie? This is blatantly false.

DP. Books about AfAm history have been challenged and removed - that is not a lie. Not just from Florida schools. A Texas school removed the book Caste by Isabel Wilkerson.

In Florida a group of Black churches got together to come up with a curriculum to teach African American history in church because of the new restrictions on what can be taught in public schools.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/09/24/florida-black-history-churches-teaching/

This is what pp said... "That’s why Florida schools have taken out all the books about African American history"
And, it is a blatantly false statement.

Just to be clear, here are the standards for the teaching of African American studies in FL:
https://www.fldoe.org/academics/standards/subject-areas/social-studies/african-amer-hist.stml

NP here.

I live in FL. My teenager's high school library currently has ZERO books available on any subject.

That's right: a public high school without a library.

Why? B/c staff could not review the books for compliance with the new laws (and also deal with the challenges to individual books).

So the net effect of the laws for my kid?

ZERO books on AA history AND ZERO books on every other subject.

wow.. I'm OP, and that's why I stated that what's happening in FL regarding education is kind of scary. A politician is dictating what should or should not be taught in schools. This is a politician. Not an academic. It's purely Kids are being used as political pawns, and that is scary.

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Anonymous wrote:Abortion is bad enough, but Florida is also killing majors in doesn't like and altering courses to erase the sins of history.

Because, hey, slavery teaches valuable job skills!

Ben Sasse, the DeSantis pick for UF president, hides from the students because he is so unpopular on camps. He is on the record to slash majors and raise in-state tuition. The NYTimes did a great piece on his slithery ways.

I think I understand what you are trying to say, but can we just teach history, instead of “the sins of history”?

What? History includes sins, mega sins, many times over. How do you teach any history without including the sins????

That’s why Florida schools have taken out all the books about African American history.

Why do you lie? This is blatantly false.

It’s not blatantly false. While the brown shirts are screaming about Genderqueer (which isn’t in K-5 and isn’t in any classroom instruction), they don’t mention the reams of books about African American history and books about normal LGBTQ families that have been taken out of classrooms. The goal is to strip out anything that challenges the White, male, Christian-identified version of history. Women and minorities and their contributions to history should not be able to be seen.

Once again for the liars in the back of the room:

African American History standards in FL:
https://www.fldoe.org/academics/standards/subject-areas/social-studies/african-amer-hist.stml

Stop lying and gaslighting.
Instead, believe the words of the black man who helped draft the standards for Florida:

[twitter]https://twitter.com/DailyWireNews/status/1685048125961203713[/twitte]

The bookless library a PP’s child has says otherwise. Not a lie. As OP of this thread shows, the GOP is out to decimate education. Why? Because educated and intelligent people vote Democratic.

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Anonymous wrote:Abortion is bad enough, but Florida is also killing majors in doesn't like and altering courses to erase the sins of history.

Because, hey, slavery teaches valuable job skills!

Ben Sasse, the DeSantis pick for UF president, hides from the students because he is so unpopular on camps. He is on the record to slash majors and raise in-state tuition. The NYTimes did a great piece on his slithery ways.

I think I understand what you are trying to say, but can we just teach history, instead of “the sins of history”?

What? History includes sins, mega sins, many times over. How do you teach any history without including the sins????

That’s why Florida schools have taken out all the books about African American history.

Why do you lie? This is blatantly false.

It’s not blatantly false. While the brown shirts are screaming about Genderqueer (which isn’t in K-5 and isn’t in any classroom instruction), they don’t mention the reams of books about African American history and books about normal LGBTQ families that have been taken out of classrooms. The goal is to strip out anything that challenges the White, male, Christian-identified version of history. Women and minorities and their contributions to history should not be able to be seen.

Once again for the liars in the back of the room:

African American History standards in FL:
https://www.fldoe.org/academics/standards/subject-areas/social-studies/african-amer-hist.stml

Stop lying and gaslighting.
Instead, believe the words of the black man who helped draft the standards for Florida:

I’ll go with the Black churches in Florida that have determined these standards fall short of the mark so they are teaching classes in Black history themselves. Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:Abortion is bad enough, but Florida is also killing majors in doesn't like and altering courses to erase the sins of history.

Because, hey, slavery teaches valuable job skills!

Ben Sasse, the DeSantis pick for UF president, hides from the students because he is so unpopular on camps. He is on the record to slash majors and raise in-state tuition. The NYTimes did a great piece on his slithery ways.

I think I understand what you are trying to say, but can we just teach history, instead of “the sins of history”?

What? History includes sins, mega sins, many times over. How do you teach any history without including the sins????

That’s why Florida schools have taken out all the books about African American history.

Why do you lie? This is blatantly false.

DP. Books about AfAm history have been challenged and removed - that is not a lie. Not just from Florida schools. A Texas school removed the book Caste by Isabel Wilkerson.

In Florida a group of Black churches got together to come up with a curriculum to teach African American history in church because of the new restrictions on what can be taught in public schools.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/09/24/florida-black-history-churches-teaching/

This is what pp said... "That’s why Florida schools have taken out all the books about African American history"
And, it is a blatantly false statement.

Just to be clear, here are the standards for the teaching of African American studies in FL:
https://www.fldoe.org/academics/standards/subject-areas/social-studies/african-amer-hist.stml

NP here.

I live in FL. My teenager's high school library currently has ZERO books available on any subject.

That's right: a public high school without a library.

Why? B/c staff could not review the books for compliance with the new laws (and also deal with the challenges to individual books).

So the net effect of the laws for my kid?

ZERO books on AA history AND ZERO books on every other subject.

I've worked in public schools a very long time. Your school has bigger problems than would involve any laws. Your admin team and media specialist(s) are either incredibly lazy or just trying to prove a point.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Abortion is bad enough, but Florida is also killing majors in doesn't like and altering courses to erase the sins of history.

Because, hey, slavery teaches valuable job skills!

Ben Sasse, the DeSantis pick for UF president, hides from the students because he is so unpopular on camps. He is on the record to slash majors and raise in-state tuition. The NYTimes did a great piece on his slithery ways.

I think I understand what you are trying to say, but can we just teach history, instead of “the sins of history”?

What? History includes sins, mega sins, many times over. How do you teach any history without including the sins????

That’s why Florida schools have taken out all the books about African American history.

Why do you lie? This is blatantly false.

It’s not blatantly false. While the brown shirts are screaming about Genderqueer (which isn’t in K-5 and isn’t in any classroom instruction), they don’t mention the reams of books about African American history and books about normal LGBTQ families that have been taken out of classrooms. The goal is to strip out anything that challenges the White, male, Christian-identified version of history. Women and minorities and their contributions to history should not be able to be seen.

Once again for the liars in the back of the room:

African American History standards in FL:
https://www.fldoe.org/academics/standards/subject-areas/social-studies/african-amer-hist.stml

Stop lying and gaslighting.
Instead, believe the words of the black man who helped draft the standards for Florida:

I’ll go with the Black churches in Florida that have determined these standards fall short of the mark so they are teaching classes in Black history themselves. Thanks.

Especially since Daily Wire isn’t exactly a news source.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a graduate of a very liberal college and I keep abreast of the news, and have friends who are faculty at a variety of colleges. Higher education is increasingly a left wing totalitarianship to the point it's uncomfortable, even for many liberal people.

If you're upset at RDS and New College and Florida's attempts at breaking the left hegemony over higher education, then you're only a hypocrite.

OP here.

I don't know if you read my op, but I'm not a liberal. I'm an Independent, and right leaning in some ways.

However, what Desantis is doing at that college is going too far. He's even wanting to fund private Christian schools. That is the anti-thesis of the separation of church and state, something that is enshrined in our Constitution. I'm finding that a lot of Rs these days are picking and choosing what items in the Constitution they want to follow.

Yes, higher ed is mostly full of liberals. How did you think it got that way? Rs seem to be anti-education, but only if it's lead by liberals. They seem pro education when it comes to Christian schools.

And btw, I am a Christian, but I'm not a fundamentalist, and I know that not everyone appreciates or supports Christianity in public schools.

I would not be surprised if Desantis wants to remake all public colleges in the image of the R party.

You act as though DeSantis invented school choice programs. Even MoCo provides financial subsidies to Christian schools, like providing bus services.

I think you're listening to a propagandized version of Florida politics that doesn't properly contextualize the issues.

Those private schools pay MCPS for the bus service.

Desantis wants to fund the private Christian school directly.

There's a difference.

School choice is fine, but a state should not be funding a religious school. What happened to separation of church and state? Would Desantis fund a Muslim school? I don't think so.

From a doctrinal standpoint, Muslims, Jews, and Christians share the same God. So, I don't see any religious reason he wouldn't.

But school choice isn't about promoting religion-- it's about offsetting the cost of private schools to roughly match the $ the parents paid in taxes.

There are tons of people who pay taxes you don’t have any children in any public schools at all.

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I am from Florida and went to college with many people who are current teachers there.

More than one has removed all the books from their classroom because any parent complaint can get them in trouble. It is a nightmare. All except one plan to leave teaching and retire early.

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^^^ There are tons of people who pay taxes WHO don’t have any children in public schools at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

You understand that anything can happen during a pregnancy such that it becomes a danger to her health, right?

Yes. And I also understand that Florida allows for abortions in situations that endanger the life of mom or baby.

And also, you have to consider your personal situation when you make choices. Not only your financial circumstances, but also your goals and moral stances. We are more interested in birth than abortion. I wouldn't interfere with my daughter getting an abortion, but I don't consider abortion to be a foremost consideration, and in fact, I would be much more open to buying my daughter a house and hiring a nanny for her vs encouraging abortion.

Furthermore, I find it odd that blue states are so incredibly fixated on ensuring that young women are able to abort under any circumstances, and are less focused on promoting values and lifestyles that tend to lead to happiness. I want my kid to be happy. Statistically, she's more likely to be happy as a married mom with conservative values. Yes, there are downsides to red states, and to Florida, but looking at the totality of circumstances, she's better off there than in a blue state.

Here's my citations:

Married women happier: https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-long-term-health-and-happiness-marriage-still-matters-86114ced

Conservative women happier: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-are-liberal-women-so-unhappy

i don't have a WSJ account. Does the story cover the marriage rate in red states?

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Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

You understand that anything can happen during a pregnancy such that it becomes a danger to her health, right?

Yes. And I also understand that Florida allows for abortions in situations that endanger the life of mom or baby.

And also, you have to consider your personal situation when you make choices. Not only your financial circumstances, but also your goals and moral stances. We are more interested in birth than abortion. I wouldn't interfere with my daughter getting an abortion, but I don't consider abortion to be a foremost consideration, and in fact, I would be much more open to buying my daughter a house and hiring a nanny for her vs encouraging abortion.

Furthermore, I find it odd that blue states are so incredibly fixated on ensuring that young women are able to abort under any circumstances, and are less focused on promoting values and lifestyles that tend to lead to happiness. I want my kid to be happy. Statistically, she's more likely to be happy as a married mom with conservative values. Yes, there are downsides to red states, and to Florida, but looking at the totality of circumstances, she's better off there than in a blue state.

Here's my citations:

Married women happier: https://www.wsj.com/articles/for-long-term-health-and-happiness-marriage-still-matters-86114ced

Conservative women happier: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-are-liberal-women-so-unhappy

i don't have a WSJ account. Does the story cover the marriage rate in red states?

No.

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The only reason why they are going after recruited athletes is because the ultra right think that they are "real men", and it will push out the lgtbq students from that college.

Is think OP is a troll after reading this statement. Most colleges recruit athletes.
Also, some great athletes are LGBTQ.

DS would love to go to college in FL. I am hoping for a mix of liberal/ conservative faculty.

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Anonymous wrote:I am from Florida and went to college with many people who are current teachers there.

More than one has removed all the books from their classroom because any parent complaint can get them in trouble. It is a nightmare. All except one plan to leave teaching and retire early.

Anything we can do to expedite their departure?

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Anonymous wrote:I am from Florida and went to college with many people who are current teachers there.

More than one has removed all the books from their classroom because any parent complaint can get them in trouble. It is a nightmare. All except one plan to leave teaching and retire early.

Anything we can do to expedite their departure?

Because of your desire to destroy Florida schools?

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The only reason why they are going after recruited athletes is because the ultra right think that they are "real men", and it will push out the lgtbq students from that college.

Is think OP is a troll after reading this statement. Most colleges recruit athletes.
Also, some great athletes are LGBTQ.

DS would love to go to college in FL. I am hoping for a mix of liberal/ conservative faculty.

Of course most colleges recruit athletes, but New College of Florida was not one of them since they didn’t have sports teams until now.
https://www.ncf.edu/news/new-college-announces-coaching-staff-for-inaugural-year-of-intercollegiate-athletic-competition/

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The only reason why they are going after recruited athletes is because the ultra right think that they are "real men", and it will push out the lgtbq students from that college.

Is think OP is a troll after reading this statement. Most colleges recruit athletes.
Also, some great athletes are LGBTQ.

DS would love to go to college in FL. I am hoping for a mix of liberal/ conservative faculty.

New College recruited from very Christian high schools and then gave those athletes dorm rooms that normally went to upperclassmen. It's all about remaking the student body