Hurricane Idalia—Make it make sense

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Anonymous wrote:Well we can look forward to seeing her on the news and her harrowing tale of survival and complaints about not having any water.

She has four kids, one an infant, and lives on water. It feels reckless and her excuse weak. She’s very smug about it, too.

And she’ll put first responders at risk when they have to save her. Idiots.

So, most people don't know this, but this is exactly what "mandatory evacuation" gets at. When a mandatory evacuation is issued for an area, it’s because things are so serious that the government recognizes it must also leave the affected area. So, you are taking 100% responsibility for you and your family's safety - police, fire and emergency medical services are suspended at that time and while the notice is in place, first responders will not respond in the event of an emergency, as conditions are too dangerous for them.

You won't get a fine or go to jail or anything for ignoring a mandatory evacuation, and legally no one can remove you from your home. A mandatory evacuation just indicates that should you need emergency services, you're not getting them.

That is only while the mandatory evacuation is in place and while the worst conditions are moving through. I work in emergency management. I have personally sent helicopters to peoples homes to rescue them. So don’t act like first responders are putting their lives at risk for idiots who don’t evacuate.

Weird that my whole barrier island was left to our own devices for 3 weeks in 2016 if you’re over there sending helicopters to personally pick up hurricane survivors. We knew we’d be left alone after the storm, but also knew if we left, that we wouldn’t be able to come back for weeks. 7 years later and we’re still waiting for federally funded recovery efforts to be completed.

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In Hernando county, there is no more access to the residential area west of US 19. Sheriff said call if you need rescue but they can't actually get in.

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Anonymous wrote:Idalia is making landfall as a category 4 Hurricane with sustained winds of 156mph.

I hope that the end is quick and painless for the people in the evacuation zones who chose to stay behind and are met with 16+ feet of storm surge - unsurvivable. A few days at Motel 6, totally survivable.

It's not making landfall in Tampa Bay at that strength - we had the storm here last night, and it was windy and rainy. We didn't even lose power in my neighborhood - Pinellas County. We got very lucky - and there is flooding by the water (a lot of it) but in my neighborhood, we just have some branches down.

Meanwhile my best friend's father is emailing me with the subject line EVACUATE. Just, people outside of here really, really don't know what it looks like on the ground. Your Florida friends and relatives aren't the ignorant idiots you believe.

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up in an area where natural disasters were frequent enough that they didn't scare people like they do to people who aren't used to them. So I'm definitely familiar with that "eh it'll be fine" mentality (not that I agree with it)

I’m not debating evacuating or not, but her phrasing is ridiculous. If it turned S last time and avoided her, who is to say this one won’t also turn S and hit her directly?

Because the phrasing doesn't matter. She doesn't want to evacuate. So she'll tell herself whatever she needs to to justify it. Logic isn't part of it (not really).

I hope it works out for her!

It will 98 times out of 100.

Yup. She will almost certainly be fine and is making a rational decision. Is it fair to play those odds when you have 4 kids to think about? That's another conversation.

What would you have liked her to do instead? And please be more specific than simply "evacuate" - where should she have evacuated? And when?

She is in Pinellas County. Pinellas has an extensive network of shelter and many ways they communicate with residents about these things-they are experts in this! There is no way she CAN'T know.

In my county, I've been seeing info about evacuations/shelters since SUNDAY.

But there is no point in having evacuated to a shelter in Pinellas - and now the storm is probably mostly passing us by here in Pinellas! Being in a shelter would have certainly increased her chance of contracting covid right now but it would have been a pointless exercise in hurricane safety! At what point do you think she SHOULD have gone to a shelter? Can you name the right time here? And do you think that tonight she should still be there instead of at home?

Yeah I would not go to a shelter with young kids, a baby especially, right now. The decision whether to evacuate or not really is more complicated than it’s made out to be. And really they will probably be fine staying put.

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Anonymous wrote:It really is true about evac - unless you are flying away - driving is kinda not that effective. You have to relo pretty far away to miss the devastation if you had to evac in the first place. I have friends down in the Keys and they don't just evac, they fly and holiday for a few days way ahead of any major storm that's tracking their way. The trick is to get out way early and far. Otherwise, you're still going to be in a mess.

This isn't true. I grew up in FL and we usually would just drive a few miles inland.

To where though? In some parts of FL there is really a lack of hotels just a “few miles inland.” So unless you have someone to stay with already you may be driving a lot further.

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up in an area where natural disasters were frequent enough that they didn't scare people like they do to people who aren't used to them. So I'm definitely familiar with that "eh it'll be fine" mentality (not that I agree with it)

I’m not debating evacuating or not, but her phrasing is ridiculous. If it turned S last time and avoided her, who is to say this one won’t also turn S and hit her directly?

Because the phrasing doesn't matter. She doesn't want to evacuate. So she'll tell herself whatever she needs to to justify it. Logic isn't part of it (not really).

I hope it works out for her!

It will 98 times out of 100.

Yup. She will almost certainly be fine and is making a rational decision. Is it fair to play those odds when you have 4 kids to think about? That's another conversation.

What would you have liked her to do instead? And please be more specific than simply "evacuate" - where should she have evacuated? And when?

She is in Pinellas County. Pinellas has an extensive network of shelter and many ways they communicate with residents about these things-they are experts in this! There is no way she CAN'T know.

In my county, I've been seeing info about evacuations/shelters since SUNDAY.

But there is no point in having evacuated to a shelter in Pinellas - and now the storm is probably mostly passing us by here in Pinellas! Being in a shelter would have certainly increased her chance of contracting covid right now but it would have been a pointless exercise in hurricane safety! At what point do you think she SHOULD have gone to a shelter? Can you name the right time here? And do you think that tonight she should still be there instead of at home?

Yeah I would not go to a shelter with young kids, a baby especially, right now. The decision whether to evacuate or not really is more complicated than it’s made out to be. And really they will probably be fine staying put.

Bookmarking this post to revisit once the death toll is finalized.

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Anonymous wrote:Idalia is making landfall as a category 4 Hurricane with sustained winds of 156mph.

I hope that the end is quick and painless for the people in the evacuation zones who chose to stay behind and are met with 16+ feet of storm surge - unsurvivable. A few days at Motel 6, totally survivable.

It's not making landfall in Tampa Bay at that strength - we had the storm here last night, and it was windy and rainy. We didn't even lose power in my neighborhood - Pinellas County. We got very lucky - and there is flooding by the water (a lot of it) but in my neighborhood, we just have some branches down.

Meanwhile my best friend's father is emailing me with the subject line EVACUATE. Just, people outside of here really, really don't know what it looks like on the ground. Your Florida friends and relatives aren't the ignorant idiots you believe.

The ones who are in flood zones that are under mandatory evacuations, but didn't go, are fools. We're not even at high tide yet.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t this one and it might not be for decades, but someday Tampa is going to take a direct hit and a lot of people are going to die.

Oh definitely. A lot of near misses.

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up in an area where natural disasters were frequent enough that they didn't scare people like they do to people who aren't used to them. So I'm definitely familiar with that "eh it'll be fine" mentality (not that I agree with it)

I’m not debating evacuating or not, but her phrasing is ridiculous. If it turned S last time and avoided her, who is to say this one won’t also turn S and hit her directly?

Because the phrasing doesn't matter. She doesn't want to evacuate. So she'll tell herself whatever she needs to to justify it. Logic isn't part of it (not really).

I hope it works out for her!

It will 98 times out of 100.

Yup. She will almost certainly be fine and is making a rational decision. Is it fair to play those odds when you have 4 kids to think about? That's another conversation.

What would you have liked her to do instead? And please be more specific than simply "evacuate" - where should she have evacuated? And when?

She is in Pinellas County. Pinellas has an extensive network of shelter and many ways they communicate with residents about these things-they are experts in this! There is no way she CAN'T know.

In my county, I've been seeing info about evacuations/shelters since SUNDAY.

But there is no point in having evacuated to a shelter in Pinellas - and now the storm is probably mostly passing us by here in Pinellas! Being in a shelter would have certainly increased her chance of contracting covid right now but it would have been a pointless exercise in hurricane safety! At what point do you think she SHOULD have gone to a shelter? Can you name the right time here? And do you think that tonight she should still be there instead of at home?

Yeah I would not go to a shelter with young kids, a baby especially, right now. The decision whether to evacuate or not really is more complicated than it’s made out to be. And really they will probably be fine staying put.

Bookmarking this post to revisit once the death toll is finalized.

The death toll in Pinellas and Hillsborough is going to be zero - unless someone was outside in a car and got caught in flooding or had an accident. Or unless a tree fell on them.

You people are really nuts about this.

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up in an area where natural disasters were frequent enough that they didn't scare people like they do to people who aren't used to them. So I'm definitely familiar with that "eh it'll be fine" mentality (not that I agree with it)

I’m not debating evacuating or not, but her phrasing is ridiculous. If it turned S last time and avoided her, who is to say this one won’t also turn S and hit her directly?

Because the phrasing doesn't matter. She doesn't want to evacuate. So she'll tell herself whatever she needs to to justify it. Logic isn't part of it (not really).

I hope it works out for her!

It will 98 times out of 100.

Yup. She will almost certainly be fine and is making a rational decision. Is it fair to play those odds when you have 4 kids to think about? That's another conversation.

What would you have liked her to do instead? And please be more specific than simply "evacuate" - where should she have evacuated? And when?

She is in Pinellas County. Pinellas has an extensive network of shelter and many ways they communicate with residents about these things-they are experts in this! There is no way she CAN'T know.

In my county, I've been seeing info about evacuations/shelters since SUNDAY.

But there is no point in having evacuated to a shelter in Pinellas - and now the storm is probably mostly passing us by here in Pinellas! Being in a shelter would have certainly increased her chance of contracting covid right now but it would have been a pointless exercise in hurricane safety! At what point do you think she SHOULD have gone to a shelter? Can you name the right time here? And do you think that tonight she should still be there instead of at home?

Yeah I would not go to a shelter with young kids, a baby especially, right now. The decision whether to evacuate or not really is more complicated than it’s made out to be. And really they will probably be fine staying put.

Bookmarking this post to revisit once the death toll is finalized.

The death toll in Pinellas and Hillsborough is going to be zero - unless someone was outside in a car and got caught in flooding or had an accident. Or unless a tree fell on them.

You people are really nuts about this.

We're not at high tides yet.

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Anonymous wrote:Idalia is making landfall as a category 4 Hurricane with sustained winds of 156mph.

I hope that the end is quick and painless for the people in the evacuation zones who chose to stay behind and are met with 16+ feet of storm surge - unsurvivable. A few days at Motel 6, totally survivable.

But the area getting 16+ storm surge is not Tampa, which was the point of this thread, no? The part of FL that is getting that contains a lot of sparsely populated parkland, thankfully.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at5+shtml/093940.shtml?peakSurge#contents

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Anonymous wrote:Idalia is making landfall as a category 4 Hurricane with sustained winds of 156mph.

I hope that the end is quick and painless for the people in the evacuation zones who chose to stay behind and are met with 16+ feet of storm surge - unsurvivable. A few days at Motel 6, totally survivable.

It's not making landfall in Tampa Bay at that strength - we had the storm here last night, and it was windy and rainy. We didn't even lose power in my neighborhood - Pinellas County. We got very lucky - and there is flooding by the water (a lot of it) but in my neighborhood, we just have some branches down.

Meanwhile my best friend's father is emailing me with the subject line EVACUATE. Just, people outside of here really, really don't know what it looks like on the ground. Your Florida friends and relatives aren't the ignorant idiots you believe.

The ones who are in flood zones that are under mandatory evacuations, but didn't go, are fools. We're not even at high tide yet.

They are not under mandatory evacuations any longer! Do you understand - the hurricane is over in Tampa Bay. It's windy today, we still have bands, there is still flooding, but your friend didn't die like you hoped she would. She is not going to suffer like you gleefully predicted, for the crime of not being as cautious as you wanter her to be, with all your on the ground knowledge from there in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:Idalia is making landfall as a category 4 Hurricane with sustained winds of 156mph.

I hope that the end is quick and painless for the people in the evacuation zones who chose to stay behind and are met with 16+ feet of storm surge - unsurvivable. A few days at Motel 6, totally survivable.

It's not making landfall in Tampa Bay at that strength - we had the storm here last night, and it was windy and rainy. We didn't even lose power in my neighborhood - Pinellas County. We got very lucky - and there is flooding by the water (a lot of it) but in my neighborhood, we just have some branches down.

Meanwhile my best friend's father is emailing me with the subject line EVACUATE. Just, people outside of here really, really don't know what it looks like on the ground. Your Florida friends and relatives aren't the ignorant idiots you believe.

The ones who are in flood zones that are under mandatory evacuations, but didn't go, are fools. We're not even at high tide yet.

They are not under mandatory evacuations any longer! Do you understand - the hurricane is over in Tampa Bay. It's windy today, we still have bands, there is still flooding, but your friend didn't die like you hoped she would. She is not going to suffer like you gleefully predicted, for the crime of not being as cautious as you wanter her to be, with all your on the ground knowledge from there in DC.

I am literally at my workplace in Tampa.

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up in an area where natural disasters were frequent enough that they didn't scare people like they do to people who aren't used to them. So I'm definitely familiar with that "eh it'll be fine" mentality (not that I agree with it)

I’m not debating evacuating or not, but her phrasing is ridiculous. If it turned S last time and avoided her, who is to say this one won’t also turn S and hit her directly?

Because the phrasing doesn't matter. She doesn't want to evacuate. So she'll tell herself whatever she needs to to justify it. Logic isn't part of it (not really).

I hope it works out for her!

It will 98 times out of 100.

Yup. She will almost certainly be fine and is making a rational decision. Is it fair to play those odds when you have 4 kids to think about? That's another conversation.

What would you have liked her to do instead? And please be more specific than simply "evacuate" - where should she have evacuated? And when?

She is in Pinellas County. Pinellas has an extensive network of shelter and many ways they communicate with residents about these things-they are experts in this! There is no way she CAN'T know.

In my county, I've been seeing info about evacuations/shelters since SUNDAY.

But there is no point in having evacuated to a shelter in Pinellas - and now the storm is probably mostly passing us by here in Pinellas! Being in a shelter would have certainly increased her chance of contracting covid right now but it would have been a pointless exercise in hurricane safety! At what point do you think she SHOULD have gone to a shelter? Can you name the right time here? And do you think that tonight she should still be there instead of at home?

Yeah I would not go to a shelter with young kids, a baby especially, right now. The decision whether to evacuate or not really is more complicated than it’s made out to be. And really they will probably be fine staying put.

Bookmarking this post to revisit once the death toll is finalized.

The death toll in Pinellas and Hillsborough is going to be zero - unless someone was outside in a car and got caught in flooding or had an accident. Or unless a tree fell on them.

You people are really nuts about this.

We're not at high tides yet.

Who’s “we?” Where do you live exactly?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Idalia is making landfall as a category 4 Hurricane with sustained winds of 156mph.

I hope that the end is quick and painless for the people in the evacuation zones who chose to stay behind and are met with 16+ feet of storm surge - unsurvivable. A few days at Motel 6, totally survivable.

It's not making landfall in Tampa Bay at that strength - we had the storm here last night, and it was windy and rainy. We didn't even lose power in my neighborhood - Pinellas County. We got very lucky - and there is flooding by the water (a lot of it) but in my neighborhood, we just have some branches down.

Meanwhile my best friend's father is emailing me with the subject line EVACUATE. Just, people outside of here really, really don't know what it looks like on the ground. Your Florida friends and relatives aren't the ignorant idiots you believe.

The ones who are in flood zones that are under mandatory evacuations, but didn't go, are fools. We're not even at high tide yet.

They are not under mandatory evacuations any longer! Do you understand - the hurricane is over in Tampa Bay. It's windy today, we still have bands, there is still flooding, but your friend didn't die like you hoped she would. She is not going to suffer like you gleefully predicted, for the crime of not being as cautious as you wanter her to be, with all your on the ground knowledge from there in DC.

I am literally at my workplace in Tampa.

Why didn’t you evacuate, you fool.