Hurricane Idalia—Make it make sense

[Anonymous]

Not in a flood zone, dumbass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well we can look forward to seeing her on the news and her harrowing tale of survival and complaints about not having any water.

She has four kids, one an infant, and lives on water. It feels reckless and her excuse weak. She’s very smug about it, too.

And she’ll put first responders at risk when they have to save her. Idiots.

So, most people don't know this, but this is exactly what "mandatory evacuation" gets at. When a mandatory evacuation is issued for an area, it’s because things are so serious that the government recognizes it must also leave the affected area. So, you are taking 100% responsibility for you and your family's safety - police, fire and emergency medical services are suspended at that time and while the notice is in place, first responders will not respond in the event of an emergency, as conditions are too dangerous for them.

You won't get a fine or go to jail or anything for ignoring a mandatory evacuation, and legally no one can remove you from your home. A mandatory evacuation just indicates that should you need emergency services, you're not getting them.

That is only while the mandatory evacuation is in place and while the worst conditions are moving through. I work in emergency management. I have personally sent helicopters to peoples homes to rescue them. So don’t act like first responders are putting their lives at risk for idiots who don’t evacuate.

Weird that my whole barrier island was left to our own devices for 3 weeks in 2016 if you’re over there sending helicopters to personally pick up hurricane survivors. We knew we’d be left alone after the storm, but also knew if we left, that we wouldn’t be able to come back for weeks. 7 years later and we’re still waiting for federally funded recovery efforts to be completed.

It’s not “weird”, it’s managing limited resources that become even more constrained when residents don’t heed mandatory evaluations and need assistance sooner than reasonably safe. We sent helicopters during Katrina specifically to rescue workers who were not “allowed” to leave their jobs be a theyre part of the critical infrastructure (power, phones, fire). Then we mobilized to rescue humans living off their roofs due to high waters.

[Anonymous]

A better question, OP, Why does it have to make sense to you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I grew up in an area where natural disasters were frequent enough that they didn't scare people like they do to people who aren't used to them. So I'm definitely familiar with that "eh it'll be fine" mentality (not that I agree with it)

I’m not debating evacuating or not, but her phrasing is ridiculous. If it turned S last time and avoided her, who is to say this one won’t also turn S and hit her directly?

Because the phrasing doesn't matter. She doesn't want to evacuate. So she'll tell herself whatever she needs to to justify it. Logic isn't part of it (not really).

I hope it works out for her!

It will 98 times out of 100.

Yup. She will almost certainly be fine and is making a rational decision. Is it fair to play those odds when you have 4 kids to think about? That's another conversation.

What would you have liked her to do instead? And please be more specific than simply "evacuate" - where should she have evacuated? And when?

She is in Pinellas County. Pinellas has an extensive network of shelter and many ways they communicate with residents about these things-they are experts in this! There is no way she CAN'T know.

In my county, I've been seeing info about evacuations/shelters since SUNDAY.

But there is no point in having evacuated to a shelter in Pinellas - and now the storm is probably mostly passing us by here in Pinellas! Being in a shelter would have certainly increased her chance of contracting covid right now but it would have been a pointless exercise in hurricane safety! At what point do you think she SHOULD have gone to a shelter? Can you name the right time here? And do you think that tonight she should still be there instead of at home?

Yeah I would not go to a shelter with young kids, a baby especially, right now. The decision whether to evacuate or not really is more complicated than it’s made out to be. And really they will probably be fine staying put.

Bookmarking this post to revisit once the death toll is finalized.

The death toll in Pinellas and Hillsborough is going to be zero - unless someone was outside in a car and got caught in flooding or had an accident. Or unless a tree fell on them.

You people are really nuts about this.

Agree. Two people sadly died in my town’s recent storms. We are a mountain town. That’s just the course of normal life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well we can look forward to seeing her on the news and her harrowing tale of survival and complaints about not having any water.

She has four kids, one an infant, and lives on water. It feels reckless and her excuse weak. She’s very smug about it, too.

And she’ll put first responders at risk when they have to save her. Idiots.

So, most people don't know this, but this is exactly what "mandatory evacuation" gets at. When a mandatory evacuation is issued for an area, it’s because things are so serious that the government recognizes it must also leave the affected area. So, you are taking 100% responsibility for you and your family's safety - police, fire and emergency medical services are suspended at that time and while the notice is in place, first responders will not respond in the event of an emergency, as conditions are too dangerous for them.

You won't get a fine or go to jail or anything for ignoring a mandatory evacuation, and legally no one can remove you from your home. A mandatory evacuation just indicates that should you need emergency services, you're not getting them.

That is only while the mandatory evacuation is in place and while the worst conditions are moving through. I work in emergency management. I have personally sent helicopters to peoples homes to rescue them. So don’t act like first responders are putting their lives at risk for idiots who don’t evacuate.

Weird that my whole barrier island was left to our own devices for 3 weeks in 2016 if you’re over there sending helicopters to personally pick up hurricane survivors. We knew we’d be left alone after the storm, but also knew if we left, that we wouldn’t be able to come back for weeks. 7 years later and we’re still waiting for federally funded recovery efforts to be completed.

Why you still waiting on the roof?

[Anonymous]

I'm from Florida originally and moved back here after living in DC area for 10 years. I also lived in NYC. The South hate is closed minded in urban Northern cities. The Floridians that posted here gave reasonable accounts about why you would stay and not evacuate. For those screaming about dope Floridians and Alabama sorority girls on this board you are the ones coming across as the most closed minded and uneducated.

[Anonymous]

I'm a Floridian who gave a very clear and accurate description of why you should evacuate if your flood zone is told to do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Idalia is making landfall as a category 4 Hurricane with sustained winds of 156mph.

I hope that the end is quick and painless for the people in the evacuation zones who chose to stay behind and are met with 16+ feet of storm surge - unsurvivable. A few days at Motel 6, totally survivable.

It's not making landfall in Tampa Bay at that strength - we had the storm here last night, and it was windy and rainy. We didn't even lose power in my neighborhood - Pinellas County. We got very lucky - and there is flooding by the water (a lot of it) but in my neighborhood, we just have some branches down.

Meanwhile my best friend's father is emailing me with the subject line EVACUATE. Just, people outside of here really, really don't know what it looks like on the ground. Your Florida friends and relatives aren't the ignorant idiots you believe.

The ones who are in flood zones that are under mandatory evacuations, but didn't go, are fools. We're not even at high tide yet.

They are not under mandatory evacuations any longer! Do you understand - the hurricane is over in Tampa Bay. It's windy today, we still have bands, there is still flooding, but your friend didn't die like you hoped she would. She is not going to suffer like you gleefully predicted, for the crime of not being as cautious as you wanter her to be, with all your on the ground knowledge from there in DC.

I am literally at my workplace in Tampa.

My sister has a place on (in?) Rocky Point- mandatory evacuation zone A. Little piece of land that juts right out into the Tampa Bay. Their fulltime residence is states away, but they are in contact with folks who stayed and they are watching their security cameras. Windy, water is high, and splashy up against the seawall, but nothing is flooded. They didn't even lose power.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm from Florida originally and moved back here after living in DC area for 10 years. I also lived in NYC. The South hate is closed minded in urban Northern cities. The Floridians that posted here gave reasonable accounts about why you would stay and not evacuate. For those screaming about dope Floridians and Alabama sorority girls on this board you are the ones coming across as the most closed minded and uneducated.

lol. I was born and raised in S. Tampa. It took me 27 years and a relocation to experience a real, destructive hurricane. And guess where? New York. Hurricane Sandy. It is ironic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Idalia is making landfall as a category 4 Hurricane with sustained winds of 156mph.

I hope that the end is quick and painless for the people in the evacuation zones who chose to stay behind and are met with 16+ feet of storm surge - unsurvivable. A few days at Motel 6, totally survivable.

It's not making landfall in Tampa Bay at that strength - we had the storm here last night, and it was windy and rainy. We didn't even lose power in my neighborhood - Pinellas County. We got very lucky - and there is flooding by the water (a lot of it) but in my neighborhood, we just have some branches down.

Meanwhile my best friend's father is emailing me with the subject line EVACUATE. Just, people outside of here really, really don't know what it looks like on the ground. Your Florida friends and relatives aren't the ignorant idiots you believe.

The ones who are in flood zones that are under mandatory evacuations, but didn't go, are fools. We're not even at high tide yet.

They are not under mandatory evacuations any longer! Do you understand - the hurricane is over in Tampa Bay. It's windy today, we still have bands, there is still flooding, but your friend didn't die like you hoped she would. She is not going to suffer like you gleefully predicted, for the crime of not being as cautious as you wanter her to be, with all your on the ground knowledge from there in DC.

I am literally at my workplace in Tampa.

My sister has a place on (in?) Rocky Point- mandatory evacuation zone A. Little piece of land that juts right out into the Tampa Bay. Their fulltime residence is states away, but they are in contact with folks who stayed and they are watching their security cameras. Windy, water is high, and splashy up against the seawall, but nothing is flooded. They didn't even lose power.

That's nice. We're not at high tide yet. Mini places are flooded and in fact there's currently a house on fire surrounded by water in Hernando Beach. How are Franklin bridge is closed Courtney causeway is closed, Davis Islands are closed off. Again we're not a high tides yet but best of luck to everybody.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It isn’t this one and it might not be for decades, but someday Tampa is going to take a direct hit and a lot of people are going to die.

Oh definitely. A lot of near misses.

Hurricane Phoenix. It's a real (well, hypothetical) thing that emergency management, urban planners, etc. in the area have modeled and planned for- what would happen if a Cat 5 hurricane directly hit the Tampa Bay area. It would not be pretty. Read here:

https://www.tampabay.com/hurricane/2020/08/14/hurricane-phoenix-is-tampa-bays-devastating-worst-case-scenario/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Idalia is making landfall as a category 4 Hurricane with sustained winds of 156mph.

I hope that the end is quick and painless for the people in the evacuation zones who chose to stay behind and are met with 16+ feet of storm surge - unsurvivable. A few days at Motel 6, totally survivable.

It's not making landfall in Tampa Bay at that strength - we had the storm here last night, and it was windy and rainy. We didn't even lose power in my neighborhood - Pinellas County. We got very lucky - and there is flooding by the water (a lot of it) but in my neighborhood, we just have some branches down.

Meanwhile my best friend's father is emailing me with the subject line EVACUATE. Just, people outside of here really, really don't know what it looks like on the ground. Your Florida friends and relatives aren't the ignorant idiots you believe.

The ones who are in flood zones that are under mandatory evacuations, but didn't go, are fools. We're not even at high tide yet.

They are not under mandatory evacuations any longer! Do you understand - the hurricane is over in Tampa Bay. It's windy today, we still have bands, there is still flooding, but your friend didn't die like you hoped she would. She is not going to suffer like you gleefully predicted, for the crime of not being as cautious as you wanter her to be, with all your on the ground knowledge from there in DC.

I am literally at my workplace in Tampa.

My sister has a place on (in?) Rocky Point- mandatory evacuation zone A. Little piece of land that juts right out into the Tampa Bay. Their fulltime residence is states away, but they are in contact with folks who stayed and they are watching their security cameras. Windy, water is high, and splashy up against the seawall, but nothing is flooded. They didn't even lose power.

That's nice. We're not at high tide yet. Mini places are flooded and in fact there's currently a house on fire surrounded by water in Hernando Beach. How are Franklin bridge is closed Courtney causeway is closed, Davis Islands are closed off. Again we're not a high tides yet but best of luck to everybody.

I know you are just gleefully waiting for people to die and to lose their homes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Idalia is making landfall as a category 4 Hurricane with sustained winds of 156mph.

I hope that the end is quick and painless for the people in the evacuation zones who chose to stay behind and are met with 16+ feet of storm surge - unsurvivable. A few days at Motel 6, totally survivable.

It's not making landfall in Tampa Bay at that strength - we had the storm here last night, and it was windy and rainy. We didn't even lose power in my neighborhood - Pinellas County. We got very lucky - and there is flooding by the water (a lot of it) but in my neighborhood, we just have some branches down.

Meanwhile my best friend's father is emailing me with the subject line EVACUATE. Just, people outside of here really, really don't know what it looks like on the ground. Your Florida friends and relatives aren't the ignorant idiots you believe.

The ones who are in flood zones that are under mandatory evacuations, but didn't go, are fools. We're not even at high tide yet.

They are not under mandatory evacuations any longer! Do you understand - the hurricane is over in Tampa Bay. It's windy today, we still have bands, there is still flooding, but your friend didn't die like you hoped she would. She is not going to suffer like you gleefully predicted, for the crime of not being as cautious as you wanter her to be, with all your on the ground knowledge from there in DC.

I am literally at my workplace in Tampa.

My sister has a place on (in?) Rocky Point- mandatory evacuation zone A. Little piece of land that juts right out into the Tampa Bay. Their fulltime residence is states away, but they are in contact with folks who stayed and they are watching their security cameras. Windy, water is high, and splashy up against the seawall, but nothing is flooded. They didn't even lose power.

That's nice. We're not at high tide yet. Mini places are flooded and in fact there's currently a house on fire surrounded by water in Hernando Beach. How are Franklin bridge is closed Courtney causeway is closed, Davis Islands are closed off. Again we're not a high tides yet but best of luck to everybody.

Ok. The most dangerous high tide is likely the one that already passed, but do let us know how the next one goes since you're invested and watching closely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Idalia is making landfall as a category 4 Hurricane with sustained winds of 156mph.

I hope that the end is quick and painless for the people in the evacuation zones who chose to stay behind and are met with 16+ feet of storm surge - unsurvivable. A few days at Motel 6, totally survivable.

It's not making landfall in Tampa Bay at that strength - we had the storm here last night, and it was windy and rainy. We didn't even lose power in my neighborhood - Pinellas County. We got very lucky - and there is flooding by the water (a lot of it) but in my neighborhood, we just have some branches down.

Meanwhile my best friend's father is emailing me with the subject line EVACUATE. Just, people outside of here really, really don't know what it looks like on the ground. Your Florida friends and relatives aren't the ignorant idiots you believe.

The ones who are in flood zones that are under mandatory evacuations, but didn't go, are fools. We're not even at high tide yet.

They are not under mandatory evacuations any longer! Do you understand - the hurricane is over in Tampa Bay. It's windy today, we still have bands, there is still flooding, but your friend didn't die like you hoped she would. She is not going to suffer like you gleefully predicted, for the crime of not being as cautious as you wanter her to be, with all your on the ground knowledge from there in DC.

I am literally at my workplace in Tampa.

My sister has a place on (in?) Rocky Point- mandatory evacuation zone A. Little piece of land that juts right out into the Tampa Bay. Their fulltime residence is states away, but they are in contact with folks who stayed and they are watching their security cameras. Windy, water is high, and splashy up against the seawall, but nothing is flooded. They didn't even lose power.

That's nice. We're not at high tide yet. Mini places are flooded and in fact there's currently a house on fire surrounded by water in Hernando Beach. How are Franklin bridge is closed Courtney causeway is closed, Davis Islands are closed off. Again we're not a high tides yet but best of luck to everybody.

I know you are just gleefully waiting for people to die and to lose their homes.

I am trying to explain to you the reality of what is going on here on the ground! I don't know why you have this, nothing to see here and move along, attitude. Why don't you try tuning into some social media or channel 8 has a live feed or whatever I mean this is not secret information.

[Anonymous]

Look up the live feed of Bayshore boulevard right now! In Tampa