Should people still hide/lie about their race on college applications?

[Anonymous]

^yes but some names are more obvious than others.

-dp

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of information on the common app makes it very easy to determine race without checking a box. Membership in affinity clubs, first and last name of applicant or parents, neighborhood or zip code if in a city. Let’s just admit that we are trusting AOs to ignore the information in front of them and disregard race.

Almost all of the schools DCUM argues over have >50k applicants each year. No one has the time to google baby names and figure out where they came from. And let's be frank - affinity club membership is low single digits. Plus, considering the tenor of this thread who knows whether or not anyone is actually a member of whatever club they write into their ECs.

I don't believe there is anything left to argue here.

1. SC has forbade universities from using race/gender checkboxes
2. Common App has made receiving that data optional
3. No university will ever again accept that data from Common App
4. The top universities will continue admitting only 3-7 percent of their applicants

So the next tranche of disappointed students will have much less grist when they call their attorneys.

Google baby names? You cant tell the race of someone with the last name Sanchez, Garcia, Watanabe, Chen, Wang, Park, etc.? Or the first name Juan or Carlos?

Or Hakeem Washington or Chad McBryde or Rajesh Koothrapalli?

Scott Fujita isn't actually Japanese. Not even a little bit.

That perplexed look on his face is wondering why he didn't get into harvard despite having all the grades and ECs. Should have taken his college counselor's advice to change his last name to McFujita.

You are SO easy to smack around

Fujita went to Berkeley and is doing just fine in life.

But you are already looking for wiggle room. There is none. A team of people reviewing 50,000 applications has no time to look at names and suss out a race or ethnicity. No time. And not one would bet their family's fortune and child's future on guessing whether or not some guy named Sahib from Bed-stuy Brooklyn is actually desi.

[Anonymous]

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Again - nobody is incanting names into a crystal ball trying to figure out a race or ethnicity

[Anonymous]

Using race in admissions was banned in a dozen or so states prior to the SC.

The assumptions here that AOs are going to scheme to break the law is bizarre. They don’t want to get sued. They’ll follow the example of the schools that already removed the race question. You’ll see the demographics of the colleges change pretty quickly.

The SC days lived experiences can be used, but the check boxes can’t. That’s it.

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Anonymous wrote:With the latest Supreme Court ruling, it looks like there will no longer be an advantage for white kids who lie and claim Hispanic or black.

There are a lot of white Hispanics. Not sure why you think it is lying to say you are Hispanic if you are white.

It is lying to say you are Hispanic if you are white and not Hispanic.

Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race. Ethnicity and race are two separate questions in the app. After checking Yes for Hispanic ethnicity, most Hispanics check the white box for the race question in the Common App. The race choices are:
American Indian or Alaska Native
Asian
Black or African American
Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander
White

Not relevant to the question. The point is that Hispanics get a benefit with affirmative action, so therefore it is an advantage to check Hispanic even if one is not Hispanic.
The question is whether this is still the case.
If someone is white and Hispanic, they are not affected by this question.

[Anonymous]

There are too many selective summer programs that are only open to URM that a lot of kids will have a tell on their app. plus essays. plus national merit hispanic scholar. plus tribal affiliations and affinity groups. plus names and zips. yeah, naming your kid Omar may help here, just as studies shows it will hurt when it's at the top of your resume for job hunting. this country is racist.

the rule will be you can't say anything out loud in Ad Comm meetings, but you don't have to ignore these things. Law firms have already held zooms on this.

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Anonymous wrote:There are too many selective summer programs that are only open to URM that a lot of kids will have a tell on their app. plus essays. plus national merit hispanic scholar. plus tribal affiliations and affinity groups. plus names and zips. yeah, naming your kid Omar may help here, just as studies shows it will hurt when it's at the top of your resume for job hunting. this country is racist.

the rule will be you can't say anything out loud in Ad Comm meetings, but you don't have to ignore these things. Law firms have already held zooms on this.

Will the URM summer programs still exist next year?

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Anonymous wrote:There are too many selective summer programs that are only open to URM that a lot of kids will have a tell on their app. plus essays. plus national merit hispanic scholar. plus tribal affiliations and affinity groups. plus names and zips. yeah, naming your kid Omar may help here, just as studies shows it will hurt when it's at the top of your resume for job hunting. this country is racist.

the rule will be you can't say anything out loud in Ad Comm meetings, but you don't have to ignore these things. Law firms have already held zooms on this.

Will this lead to wealthy URMs prepping for PSAT, to get the National Black, Hispanic, etc Recognition awards for their apps?

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Anonymous wrote:There are too many selective summer programs that are only open to URM that a lot of kids will have a tell on their app. plus essays. plus national merit hispanic scholar. plus tribal affiliations and affinity groups. plus names and zips. yeah, naming your kid Omar may help here, just as studies shows it will hurt when it's at the top of your resume for job hunting. this country is racist.

the rule will be you can't say anything out loud in Ad Comm meetings, but you don't have to ignore these things. Law firms have already held zooms on this.

Will the URM summer programs still exist next year?

Of course they will! They are not going anywhere.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of information on the common app makes it very easy to determine race without checking a box. Membership in affinity clubs, first and last name of applicant or parents, neighborhood or zip code if in a city. Let’s just admit that we are trusting AOs to ignore the information in front of them and disregard race.

Almost all of the schools DCUM argues over have >50k applicants each year. No one has the time to google baby names and figure out where they came from. And let's be frank - affinity club membership is low single digits. Plus, considering the tenor of this thread who knows whether or not anyone is actually a member of whatever club they write into their ECs.

I don't believe there is anything left to argue here.

1. SC has forbade universities from using race/gender checkboxes
2. Common App has made receiving that data optional
3. No university will ever again accept that data from Common App
4. The top universities will continue admitting only 3-7 percent of their applicants

So the next tranche of disappointed students will have much less grist when they call their attorneys.

Google baby names? You cant tell the race of someone with the last name Sanchez, Garcia, Watanabe, Chen, Wang, Park, etc.? Or the first name Juan or Carlos?

Or Hakeem Washington or Chad McBryde or Rajesh Koothrapalli?

Scott Fujita isn't actually Japanese. Not even a little bit.

That perplexed look on his face is wondering why he didn't get into harvard despite having all the grades and ECs. Should have taken his college counselor's advice to change his last name to McFujita.

You are SO easy to smack around

Fujita went to Berkeley and is doing just fine in life.

But you are already looking for wiggle room. There is none. A team of people reviewing 50,000 applications has no time to look at names and suss out a race or ethnicity. No time. And not one would bet their family's fortune and child's future on guessing whether or not some guy named Sahib from Bed-stuy Brooklyn is actually desi.

Why so serious bro? I was just joking around with the names and pictures. Don't give a rat's ass if they use the name or not for admissions. There are enough lawyers salivating at that possibility. Would love to see the college cartel broken, get rid of all their discriminatory practices and pay full taxes like normal corporation.

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Anonymous wrote:Better question would be, what happens if someone checks the Black or Hispanic box (or whatever they are called in the common app) and get admitted to a particular college. Come to find out a year later that they aren't really Black. Can the college expel that student for lying in response to that question? If they do that, isn't that a lawsuit waiting to happen since the grounds for the expulsion was illegal?

I say everyone check that Black box.

How about just don't cheat / lie?

Novel concept.

Dp.
How about no racial discrimination for ANY race?

Novel concept.

White man’s burden.

SO HARD! 😢

[Anonymous]

Government & education have been obsessed with race for decades. It’s now in their DNA, & thousands of people’s jobs depend on race mattering & race data. Its importance will not go away just because they are now supposed to care about the content of people’s character & not ….

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Anonymous wrote:Using race in admissions was banned in a dozen or so states prior to the SC.

The assumptions here that AOs are going to scheme to break the law is bizarre. They don’t want to get sued. They’ll follow the example of the schools that already removed the race question. You’ll see the demographics of the colleges change pretty quickly.

They are absolutely going to scheme to get around the law because their decisions have been motivated by ideology for over 50 years and that ideology hasn’t gone away.

[Anonymous]

The prompts for 2023 that have been released so far, seem to encourage kids to check the box that won't be there anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:With the latest Supreme Court ruling, it looks like there will no longer be an advantage for white kids who lie and claim Hispanic or black.

I dispute your premise.