Should people still hide/lie about their race on college applications?

[Anonymous]

With the latest Supreme Court ruling, it looks like there will no longer be an advantage for white kids who lie and claim Hispanic or black.

[Anonymous]

Probably, lying always looks good background check wise if they have really high aspirations for their lives as adults.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With the latest Supreme Court ruling, it looks like there will no longer be an advantage for white kids who lie and claim Hispanic or black.

There are a lot of white Hispanics. Not sure why you think it is lying to say you are Hispanic if you are white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With the latest Supreme Court ruling, it looks like there will no longer be an advantage for white kids who lie and claim Hispanic or black.

There are a lot of white Hispanics. Not sure why you think it is lying to say you are Hispanic if you are white.

Yeah, I don’t think my white Hispanic relatives are going to erase a big part of their culture and identity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Probably, lying always looks good background check wise if they have really high aspirations for their lives as adults.

Vijay Chokalingam was cold busted after claiming to be black and absolutely nothing happened. He stayed in medical school until he flunked out.

[Anonymous]

This was never okay, if you are asking what people "should" do.

[Anonymous]

The advantage will still exist because the schools will ignore/circumvent the ruling and continue to prefer blacks and Hispanics.

However, depending on how schools ignore/circumvent the ruling, it might actually become harder to lie. If you have to write an essay about your struggles with adversity as a person of color, that is a whole different level of lying than just deliberately checking the wrong box.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With the latest Supreme Court ruling, it looks like there will no longer be an advantage for white kids who lie and claim Hispanic or black.

Hispanic/Latino is the ethnicity question, which is a separate question from race. Many, perhaps even most, Hispanic students in the US check the white box when asked for race. There is no Mestizo option. (The "American Indian or Alaska Native" box pulls up questions asking for federal tribe identification info.) This is entirely the result of federal reporting requirements.

[Anonymous]

Jeff Selingo wrote this in his most recent newsletter re: the end of Affirmative Action:

While we wait to see the downstream effects play out over the next year, here are more immediate developments I’m watching for:

1. Test optional here to stay? The rapid expansion of test-optional admissions during the pandemic brought more applicants—and more applicants of color—to selective colleges. Plus, when institutions don’t have a test score for every applicant, it’s a piece of evidence those claiming discrimination don’t have at their disposal to use in their case.

2. When colleges ‘see’ checkbox data. The Common App will still give students an option to identify as Hispanic, Black, Asian, white, etc. But colleges can have the Common App withhold that information when applications are transmitted to the institution or receive it but mask the data from their admissions teams. The question, as one college official told me earlier this week, is when does the admissions dean look at the data? Do they wait until students commit in May, or do they look weeks earlier during yield season before accepted students have deposited?

3. Shifts in recruitment and yield strategies. If colleges know the racial and ethnic makeup of their accepted pool in April—after acceptances have gone out but before deposits are in—admissions deans I talked with recently believe they can still race as a factor in how they yield students. That might include improved financial aid packages, campus visits where colleges fly-in accepted students, and other tactics colleges have long used to make their class.

At the other end of the admissions funnel, expect selective colleges to focus more recruiting time and resources on high schools with large proportions of students of color.
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o The University of Virginia, for instance, announced last month a plan to target 40 high schools in the state that have sent few applications to the flagship campus.
o But even those approaches might come under fire in some states. After the chancellor of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill announced an expansion of free tuition for families making less than $80,000 a year following the Supreme Court decision, some members of the system’s Board of Board of Governors and Chapel Hill’s Board of Trustees pushed back, questioning why the university never presented the idea to them before releasing it publicly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With the latest Supreme Court ruling, it looks like there will no longer be an advantage for white kids who lie and claim Hispanic or black.

Hispanic/Latino is the ethnicity question, which is a separate question from race. Many, perhaps even most, Hispanic students in the US check the white box when asked for race. There is no Mestizo option. (The "American Indian or Alaska Native" box pulls up questions asking for federal tribe identification info.) This is entirely the result of federal reporting requirements.

What will happen with the National Hispanic Recognition Program? I have read different things, some suggesting its demise but others saying that yes, of course students should report that academic honor in their applications.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jeff Selingo wrote this in his most recent newsletter re: the end of Affirmative Action:

While we wait to see the downstream effects play out over the next year, here are more immediate developments I’m watching for:

1. Test optional here to stay? The rapid expansion of test-optional admissions during the pandemic brought more applicants—and more applicants of color—to selective colleges. Plus, when institutions don’t have a test score for every applicant, it’s a piece of evidence those claiming discrimination don’t have at their disposal to use in their case.

2. When colleges ‘see’ checkbox data. The Common App will still give students an option to identify as Hispanic, Black, Asian, white, etc. But colleges can have the Common App withhold that information when applications are transmitted to the institution or receive it but mask the data from their admissions teams. The question, as one college official told me earlier this week, is when does the admissions dean look at the data? Do they wait until students commit in May, or do they look weeks earlier during yield season before accepted students have deposited?

3. Shifts in recruitment and yield strategies. If colleges know the racial and ethnic makeup of their accepted pool in April—after acceptances have gone out but before deposits are in—admissions deans I talked with recently believe they can still race as a factor in how they yield students. That might include improved financial aid packages, campus visits where colleges fly-in accepted students, and other tactics colleges have long used to make their class.

At the other end of the admissions funnel, expect selective colleges to focus more recruiting time and resources on high schools with large proportions of students of color.
•
o The University of Virginia, for instance, announced last month a plan to target 40 high schools in the state that have sent few applications to the flagship campus.
o But even those approaches might come under fire in some states. After the chancellor of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill announced an expansion of free tuition for families making less than $80,000 a year following the Supreme Court decision, some members of the system’s Board of Board of Governors and Chapel Hill’s Board of Trustees pushed back, questioning why the university never presented the idea to them before releasing it publicly.

Really? Source? That sounds bizarre given SC decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff Selingo wrote this in his most recent newsletter re: the end of Affirmative Action:

While we wait to see the downstream effects play out over the next year, here are more immediate developments I’m watching for:

1. Test optional here to stay? The rapid expansion of test-optional admissions during the pandemic brought more applicants—and more applicants of color—to selective colleges. Plus, when institutions don’t have a test score for every applicant, it’s a piece of evidence those claiming discrimination don’t have at their disposal to use in their case.

2. When colleges ‘see’ checkbox data. The Common App will still give students an option to identify as Hispanic, Black, Asian, white, etc. But colleges can have the Common App withhold that information when applications are transmitted to the institution or receive it but mask the data from their admissions teams. The question, as one college official told me earlier this week, is when does the admissions dean look at the data? Do they wait until students commit in May, or do they look weeks earlier during yield season before accepted students have deposited?

3. Shifts in recruitment and yield strategies. If colleges know the racial and ethnic makeup of their accepted pool in April—after acceptances have gone out but before deposits are in—admissions deans I talked with recently believe they can still race as a factor in how they yield students. That might include improved financial aid packages, campus visits where colleges fly-in accepted students, and other tactics colleges have long used to make their class.

At the other end of the admissions funnel, expect selective colleges to focus more recruiting time and resources on high schools with large proportions of students of color.
•
o The University of Virginia, for instance, announced last month a plan to target 40 high schools in the state that have sent few applications to the flagship campus.
o But even those approaches might come under fire in some states. After the chancellor of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill announced an expansion of free tuition for families making less than $80,000 a year following the Supreme Court decision, some members of the system’s Board of Board of Governors and Chapel Hill’s Board of Trustees pushed back, questioning why the university never presented the idea to them before releasing it publicly.

Really? Source? That sounds bizarre given SC decision.

the SC decision is not the magic wand you think it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff Selingo wrote this in his most recent newsletter re: the end of Affirmative Action:

While we wait to see the downstream effects play out over the next year, here are more immediate developments I’m watching for:

1. Test optional here to stay? The rapid expansion of test-optional admissions during the pandemic brought more applicants—and more applicants of color—to selective colleges. Plus, when institutions don’t have a test score for every applicant, it’s a piece of evidence those claiming discrimination don’t have at their disposal to use in their case.

2. When colleges ‘see’ checkbox data. The Common App will still give students an option to identify as Hispanic, Black, Asian, white, etc. But colleges can have the Common App withhold that information when applications are transmitted to the institution or receive it but mask the data from their admissions teams. The question, as one college official told me earlier this week, is when does the admissions dean look at the data? Do they wait until students commit in May, or do they look weeks earlier during yield season before accepted students have deposited?

3. Shifts in recruitment and yield strategies. If colleges know the racial and ethnic makeup of their accepted pool in April—after acceptances have gone out but before deposits are in—admissions deans I talked with recently believe they can still race as a factor in how they yield students. That might include improved financial aid packages, campus visits where colleges fly-in accepted students, and other tactics colleges have long used to make their class.

At the other end of the admissions funnel, expect selective colleges to focus more recruiting time and resources on high schools with large proportions of students of color.
•
o The University of Virginia, for instance, announced last month a plan to target 40 high schools in the state that have sent few applications to the flagship campus.
o But even those approaches might come under fire in some states. After the chancellor of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill announced an expansion of free tuition for families making less than $80,000 a year following the Supreme Court decision, some members of the system’s Board of Board of Governors and Chapel Hill’s Board of Trustees pushed back, questioning why the university never presented the idea to them before releasing it publicly.

Really? Source? That sounds bizarre given SC decision.

The government isn't going to stop requiring colleges to report that data.

[Anonymous]

I think 99% of schools will opt out of receiving that data point. Too much risk.

I also think what this guy said about recruiting from different high schools will become a big deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff Selingo wrote this in his most recent newsletter re: the end of Affirmative Action:

While we wait to see the downstream effects play out over the next year, here are more immediate developments I’m watching for:

1. Test optional here to stay? The rapid expansion of test-optional admissions during the pandemic brought more applicants—and more applicants of color—to selective colleges. Plus, when institutions don’t have a test score for every applicant, it’s a piece of evidence those claiming discrimination don’t have at their disposal to use in their case.

2. When colleges ‘see’ checkbox data. The Common App will still give students an option to identify as Hispanic, Black, Asian, white, etc. But colleges can have the Common App withhold that information when applications are transmitted to the institution or receive it but mask the data from their admissions teams. The question, as one college official told me earlier this week, is when does the admissions dean look at the data? Do they wait until students commit in May, or do they look weeks earlier during yield season before accepted students have deposited?

3. Shifts in recruitment and yield strategies. If colleges know the racial and ethnic makeup of their accepted pool in April—after acceptances have gone out but before deposits are in—admissions deans I talked with recently believe they can still race as a factor in how they yield students. That might include improved financial aid packages, campus visits where colleges fly-in accepted students, and other tactics colleges have long used to make their class.

At the other end of the admissions funnel, expect selective colleges to focus more recruiting time and resources on high schools with large proportions of students of color.
•
o The University of Virginia, for instance, announced last month a plan to target 40 high schools in the state that have sent few applications to the flagship campus.
o But even those approaches might come under fire in some states. After the chancellor of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill announced an expansion of free tuition for families making less than $80,000 a year following the Supreme Court decision, some members of the system’s Board of Board of Governors and Chapel Hill’s Board of Trustees pushed back, questioning why the university never presented the idea to them before releasing it publicly.

Really? Source? That sounds bizarre given SC decision.

Colleges collect this data for US Dept of Ed reporting requirements. Common App said:

We will continue to support our member colleges and universities as they adapt their admissions decision processes in light of the Court’s decision. Beginning on August 1, Common App members will have the ability to hide (or “suppress”) the self-disclosed race and ethnicity information from application PDF files for both first-year and transfer applications, and to configure the data imports to recognize or exclude race and ethnicity.

https://www.commonapp.org/blog/what-expect-common-app-after-supreme-court-decision-race-conscious-admissions