Riley Gaines attacked after Saving Women's Sports speech at SF State Univ

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think lesbians and gays understand how much trans people are destroying the goodwill built up for the former two

You think so? I feel like most people are pretty fine with LG, but the T is where they have reservations.

Right — that was my point

Got it, but I'm not necessarily sure the activities of the T are eroding any of the goodwill built up for the L and the G. You think they are?

Yes

Interesting, thanks. Is this in the twitterverse? Stuff you're seeing in real life convos? Journalists?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think lesbians and gays understand how much trans people are destroying the goodwill built up for the former two

You think so? I feel like most people are pretty fine with LG, but the T is where they have reservations.

Right — that was my point

Got it, but I'm not necessarily sure the activities of the T are eroding any of the goodwill built up for the L and the G. You think they are?

Yes

Interesting, thanks. Is this in the twitterverse? Stuff you're seeing in real life convos? Journalists?

Gay rights was a dead issue with widespread acceptance before T issues started coming to the forefront.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think lesbians and gays understand how much trans people are destroying the goodwill built up for the former two

You think so? I feel like most people are pretty fine with LG, but the T is where they have reservations.

Right — that was my point

Got it, but I'm not necessarily sure the activities of the T are eroding any of the goodwill built up for the L and the G. You think they are?

Yes

Interesting, thanks. Is this in the twitterverse? Stuff you're seeing in real life convos? Journalists?

Gay rights was a dead issue with widespread acceptance before T issues started coming to the forefront.

Yes, but are people questioning or backtracking on gay rights again now?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think lesbians and gays understand how much trans people are destroying the goodwill built up for the former two

You think so? I feel like most people are pretty fine with LG, but the T is where they have reservations.

Right — that was my point

Got it, but I'm not necessarily sure the activities of the T are eroding any of the goodwill built up for the L and the G. You think they are?

Yes

Interesting, thanks. Is this in the twitterverse? Stuff you're seeing in real life convos? Journalists?

I’m not the PP but I have had quiet conversations with lesbians worried about this.

From what I hear they are also going back to the days where meet-ups are whispered gatherings spread among friends and not publicized because of worries about their safety.

[Anonymous]

I think people are still supportive of gays and lesbians, but it does take a little shine off the LGBT movement for some people.

It exposes some of the heavy handed tactics Progressives use to shut down voices they don’t like. Progressives have been doing it for years, but now it’s being directed at people who once thought themselves to be allies.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think lesbians and gays understand how much trans people are destroying the goodwill built up for the former two

You think so? I feel like most people are pretty fine with LG, but the T is where they have reservations.

Right — that was my point

Got it, but I'm not necessarily sure the activities of the T are eroding any of the goodwill built up for the L and the G. You think they are?

Yes

Interesting, thanks. Is this in the twitterverse? Stuff you're seeing in real life convos? Journalists?

Gay rights was a dead issue with widespread acceptance before T issues started coming to the forefront.

Yes, but are people questioning or backtracking on gay rights again now?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/29/texas-sodomy-supreme-court-lawrence-paxton-lgbtq/

Yes, I hear much more talk about challenging Lawrence v. Texas than I had even immediately after it came down

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Anonymous wrote:All of the f-n drama for what must be like 8 athletes. People are losing their marbles about the wrong thing.

But its not 8 athletes.....its 8 athletes competing against hundreds of female athletes.

I think the problem is even these "8" have an outsized number reaching the top in women's sports when the whole point of Title IX was to allow women to have actual competitive sports where they can reach their max potential. Even in the Olympics, a 45 year old trans woman was able to compete in weightlifting. She didn't win but it's certainly not at all possible for an amateur weightlifting female to transition to a man at 45 and then make the men's US weightlifting team over 20 year olds.

It amateur sport. There are 220,000 women college “athletes”. In the general population 0.6% identify as transgender. There should be 1,300 trans athletes in college sports. There are 32 tran athletes in college. Two have made the Olympics this cycle.

If you want to make to Olympics or a college team preform better. The bottom of the rosters are the ones getting cut but the number is way way under 1%. This is not an issue.

If it is a non-issue, why are they beating up this female swimmer over it? Seems like it's enough of an issue to the trans community to engage in violence against anyone who offers a contrary opinion.

Let’s be clear: They are physically assaulting a female athlete because that athlete is female and has opinions. This is a violent misogynist movement whose end goal is the subjugation of women.

Disagree. And the videos posted-at least the couple I’m seeing-are showing shouting and getting close to her but I didn’t see violence. Maybe I haven’t clicked the right link. I’m surprised the man who tried to murder her (according to a PP) hasn’t been identified yet.

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I see yelling, I see swearing, I see someone acknowledging that she's crying, but I see no physical violence. That's not to say that it wasn't scary for her, or that it happened prior to the filming, but this doesn't show it. That's also not to say that violence wouldn't have occurred if the police weren't there.

I agree with other PP too. We've retreated so far to the extreme positions that there was no time to have the meaningful conversation about the complicated and nuanced parts of this.

Riley Gaines has stated that she was hit twice.

But you are almost certainly going to claim she is lying.

I almost certainly acknowledged that it may have taken place before and/or after filming. Didn’t I? I’m responding to the video that was posted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think lesbians and gays understand how much trans people are destroying the goodwill built up for the former two

You think so? I feel like most people are pretty fine with LG, but the T is where they have reservations.

Right — that was my point

Got it, but I'm not necessarily sure the activities of the T are eroding any of the goodwill built up for the L and the G. You think they are?

Yes

Interesting, thanks. Is this in the twitterverse? Stuff you're seeing in real life convos? Journalists?

Gay rights was a dead issue with widespread acceptance before T issues started coming to the forefront.

Yes, but are people questioning or backtracking on gay rights again now?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/29/texas-sodomy-supreme-court-lawrence-paxton-lgbtq/

Yes, I hear much more talk about challenging Lawrence v. Texas than I had even immediately after it came down

Interesting. Thank you. I guess I could see some dredging up Scalia's slippery slope rationale.

[Anonymous]

When the female athletes cry after losing to a transsexual it’s just too ridiculous. This is their own voting and their own causes. The victim pyramid goes in this order

Transexuals
Gays and Lesbians
African Americans
Hispanics and Asians
Caucasians of the female persuasion
Males with any 2 of- straight hair,light skin,thin nose, thin lips

Categories above can say anything about those below and keep their job. If those below disparage any above they get fired.

It’s the victim pyramid and Caucasian women are only above men with 2 or more Caucasian features.

This is fact.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All of the f-n drama for what must be like 8 athletes. People are losing their marbles about the wrong thing.

But its not 8 athletes.....its 8 athletes competing against hundreds of female athletes.

I think the problem is even these "8" have an outsized number reaching the top in women's sports when the whole point of Title IX was to allow women to have actual competitive sports where they can reach their max potential. Even in the Olympics, a 45 year old trans woman was able to compete in weightlifting. She didn't win but it's certainly not at all possible for an amateur weightlifting female to transition to a man at 45 and then make the men's US weightlifting team over 20 year olds.

It amateur sport. There are 220,000 women college “athletes”. In the general population 0.6% identify as transgender. There should be 1,300 trans athletes in college sports. There are 32 tran athletes in college. Two have made the Olympics this cycle.

If you want to make to Olympics or a college team preform better. The bottom of the rosters are the ones getting cut but the number is way way under 1%. This is not an issue.

If it is a non-issue, why are they beating up this female swimmer over it? Seems like it's enough of an issue to the trans community to engage in violence against anyone who offers a contrary opinion.

Let’s be clear: They are physically assaulting a female athlete because that athlete is female and has opinions. This is a violent misogynist movement whose end goal is the subjugation of women.

Disagree. And the videos posted-at least the couple I’m seeing-are showing shouting and getting close to her but I didn’t see violence. Maybe I haven’t clicked the right link. I’m surprised the man who tried to murder her (according to a PP) hasn’t been identified yet.

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I see yelling, I see swearing, I see someone acknowledging that she's crying, but I see no physical violence. That's not to say that it wasn't scary for her, or that it happened prior to the filming, but this doesn't show it. That's also not to say that violence wouldn't have occurred if the police weren't there.

I agree with other PP too. We've retreated so far to the extreme positions that there was no time to have the meaningful conversation about the complicated and nuanced parts of this.

Riley Gaines has stated that she was hit twice.

But you are almost certainly going to claim she is lying.

I almost certainly acknowledged that it may have taken place before and/or after filming. Didn’t I? I’m responding to the video that was posted.

Come on. You were trying to minimize what happened. You spent a lot of words talking about how she might have been scared but you didn’t see violence and just saw yelling and swearing.

Are you okay with violence against women in the name of trans rights or not? Yes or no? Or is taking a stance against violence against women too “extreme” for you?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think lesbians and gays understand how much trans people are destroying the goodwill built up for the former two

You think so? I feel like most people are pretty fine with LG, but the T is where they have reservations.

Right — that was my point

Got it, but I'm not necessarily sure the activities of the T are eroding any of the goodwill built up for the L and the G. You think they are?

Yes

Interesting, thanks. Is this in the twitterverse? Stuff you're seeing in real life convos? Journalists?

Gay rights was a dead issue with widespread acceptance before T issues started coming to the forefront.

Yes, but are people questioning or backtracking on gay rights again now?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/29/texas-sodomy-supreme-court-lawrence-paxton-lgbtq/

Yes, I hear much more talk about challenging Lawrence v. Texas than I had even immediately after it came down

Interesting. Thank you. I guess I could see some dredging up Scalia's slippery slope rationale.

That and the more people who talk about LGBT rights, the more the LG and B get associated with T.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think lesbians and gays understand how much trans people are destroying the goodwill built up for the former two

You think so? I feel like most people are pretty fine with LG, but the T is where they have reservations.

Right — that was my point

Got it, but I'm not necessarily sure the activities of the T are eroding any of the goodwill built up for the L and the G. You think they are?

Yes

Interesting, thanks. Is this in the twitterverse? Stuff you're seeing in real life convos? Journalists?

Gay rights was a dead issue with widespread acceptance before T issues started coming to the forefront.

Yes, but are people questioning or backtracking on gay rights again now?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/29/texas-sodomy-supreme-court-lawrence-paxton-lgbtq/

Yes, I hear much more talk about challenging Lawrence v. Texas than I had even immediately after it came down

Interesting. Thank you. I guess I could see some dredging up Scalia's slippery slope rationale.

The issue is that LGB rights are additive rights. Nobody loses rights when LGB people benefit from marriage and other rights. So, in general, the public supports them. Trans rights, however, are in direct conflict with women’s rights. Women lose rights (safety, privacy, bodily integrity, etc) in the name of trans rights. You cannot accept that transwomen are women full stop without compromising the safety of women.

The problem is that LGB rights have been conflated with trans rights, but the impact on society is not the same.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All of the f-n drama for what must be like 8 athletes. People are losing their marbles about the wrong thing.

But its not 8 athletes.....its 8 athletes competing against hundreds of female athletes.

I think the problem is even these "8" have an outsized number reaching the top in women's sports when the whole point of Title IX was to allow women to have actual competitive sports where they can reach their max potential. Even in the Olympics, a 45 year old trans woman was able to compete in weightlifting. She didn't win but it's certainly not at all possible for an amateur weightlifting female to transition to a man at 45 and then make the men's US weightlifting team over 20 year olds.

It amateur sport. There are 220,000 women college “athletes”. In the general population 0.6% identify as transgender. There should be 1,300 trans athletes in college sports. There are 32 tran athletes in college. Two have made the Olympics this cycle.

If you want to make to Olympics or a college team preform better. The bottom of the rosters are the ones getting cut but the number is way way under 1%. This is not an issue.

If it is a non-issue, why are they beating up this female swimmer over it? Seems like it's enough of an issue to the trans community to engage in violence against anyone who offers a contrary opinion.

Let’s be clear: They are physically assaulting a female athlete because that athlete is female and has opinions. This is a violent misogynist movement whose end goal is the subjugation of women.

Disagree. And the videos posted-at least the couple I’m seeing-are showing shouting and getting close to her but I didn’t see violence. Maybe I haven’t clicked the right link. I’m surprised the man who tried to murder her (according to a PP) hasn’t been identified yet.

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I see yelling, I see swearing, I see someone acknowledging that she's crying, but I see no physical violence. That's not to say that it wasn't scary for her, or that it happened prior to the filming, but this doesn't show it. That's also not to say that violence wouldn't have occurred if the police weren't there.

I agree with other PP too. We've retreated so far to the extreme positions that there was no time to have the meaningful conversation about the complicated and nuanced parts of this.

Riley Gaines has stated that she was hit twice.

But you are almost certainly going to claim she is lying.

I almost certainly acknowledged that it may have taken place before and/or after filming. Didn’t I? I’m responding to the video that was posted.

Come on. You were trying to minimize what happened. You spent a lot of words talking about how she might have been scared but you didn’t see violence and just saw yelling and swearing.

Are you okay with violence against women in the name of trans rights or not? Yes or no? Or is taking a stance against violence against women too “extreme” for you?

You are super unhinged. I'm not OK with violence against women in the name of anything. But this is why no discussion can take place. you come out swinging to someone who literally said, hey, it's not on the video but it sure may have happened before or after. But there is no physical violence ON THE VIDEO. There was a protest that was getting out of hand, and police protected her, thankfully. I acknowledged that it was likely scary for her, but even that is me making assumptions isn't it? And that it may have happened before or after is also me making assumptions, but that fits with what you want to hear. I don't follow this woman, so I don't know what she said happened. This video was posted. People are reacting to it. What is the matter with you?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of the f-n drama for what must be like 8 athletes. People are losing their marbles about the wrong thing.

But its not 8 athletes.....its 8 athletes competing against hundreds of female athletes.

I think the problem is even these "8" have an outsized number reaching the top in women's sports when the whole point of Title IX was to allow women to have actual competitive sports where they can reach their max potential. Even in the Olympics, a 45 year old trans woman was able to compete in weightlifting. She didn't win but it's certainly not at all possible for an amateur weightlifting female to transition to a man at 45 and then make the men's US weightlifting team over 20 year olds.

It amateur sport. There are 220,000 women college “athletes”. In the general population 0.6% identify as transgender. There should be 1,300 trans athletes in college sports. There are 32 tran athletes in college. Two have made the Olympics this cycle.

If you want to make to Olympics or a college team preform better. The bottom of the rosters are the ones getting cut but the number is way way under 1%. This is not an issue.

If it is a non-issue, why are they beating up this female swimmer over it? Seems like it's enough of an issue to the trans community to engage in violence against anyone who offers a contrary opinion.

Let’s be clear: They are physically assaulting a female athlete because that athlete is female and has opinions. This is a violent misogynist movement whose end goal is the subjugation of women.

Disagree. And the videos posted-at least the couple I’m seeing-are showing shouting and getting close to her but I didn’t see violence. Maybe I haven’t clicked the right link. I’m surprised the man who tried to murder her (according to a PP) hasn’t been identified yet.

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I see yelling, I see swearing, I see someone acknowledging that she's crying, but I see no physical violence. That's not to say that it wasn't scary for her, or that it happened prior to the filming, but this doesn't show it. That's also not to say that violence wouldn't have occurred if the police weren't there.

I agree with other PP too. We've retreated so far to the extreme positions that there was no time to have the meaningful conversation about the complicated and nuanced parts of this.

Riley Gaines has stated that she was hit twice.

But you are almost certainly going to claim she is lying.

I almost certainly acknowledged that it may have taken place before and/or after filming. Didn’t I? I’m responding to the video that was posted.

Come on. You were trying to minimize what happened. You spent a lot of words talking about how she might have been scared but you didn’t see violence and just saw yelling and swearing.

Are you okay with violence against women in the name of trans rights or not? Yes or no? Or is taking a stance against violence against women too “extreme” for you?

You are super unhinged. I'm not OK with violence against women in the name of anything. But this is why no discussion can take place. you come out swinging to someone who literally said, hey, it's not on the video but it sure may have happened before or after. But there is no physical violence ON THE VIDEO. There was a protest that was getting out of hand, and police protected her, thankfully. I acknowledged that it was likely scary for her, but even that is me making assumptions isn't it? And that it may have happened before or after is also me making assumptions, but that fits with what you want to hear. I don't follow this woman, so I don't know what she said happened. This video was posted. People are reacting to it. What is the matter with you?

The protesters prevented her from leaving a venue. In a reasonable city, they'b be sitting in jail contemplating nice long prison terms

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think lesbians and gays understand how much trans people are destroying the goodwill built up for the former two

You think so? I feel like most people are pretty fine with LG, but the T is where they have reservations.

Right — that was my point

Got it, but I'm not necessarily sure the activities of the T are eroding any of the goodwill built up for the L and the G. You think they are?

Yes

Interesting, thanks. Is this in the twitterverse? Stuff you're seeing in real life convos? Journalists?

Gay rights was a dead issue with widespread acceptance before T issues started coming to the forefront.

Yes, but are people questioning or backtracking on gay rights again now?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/29/texas-sodomy-supreme-court-lawrence-paxton-lgbtq/

Yes, I hear much more talk about challenging Lawrence v. Texas than I had even immediately after it came down

Interesting. Thank you. I guess I could see some dredging up Scalia's slippery slope rationale.

The issue is that LGB rights are additive rights. Nobody loses rights when LGB people benefit from marriage and other rights. So, in general, the public supports them. Trans rights, however, are in direct conflict with women’s rights. Women lose rights (safety, privacy, bodily integrity, etc) in the name of trans rights. You cannot accept that transwomen are women full stop without compromising the safety of women.

The problem is that LGB rights have been conflated with trans rights, but the impact on society is not the same.

Good point. I have to say that I am not at all opposed to LGB rights. And, I also remember that when gay marriage was controversial, LGB people and their supporters were not confrontational, aggressive, or violent. Protests and rallies? Sure. But, this is different.
IMO - LGB people were fighting for their rights. This movement is an in-your-face-you-better-get-on-board movement that allows nobody to dissent.