Riley Gaines attacked after Saving Women's Sports speech at SF State Univ

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All of the f-n drama for what must be like 8 athletes. People are losing their marbles about the wrong thing.

But its not 8 athletes.....its 8 athletes competing against hundreds of female athletes.

I think the problem is even these "8" have an outsized number reaching the top in women's sports when the whole point of Title IX was to allow women to have actual competitive sports where they can reach their max potential. Even in the Olympics, a 45 year old trans woman was able to compete in weightlifting. She didn't win but it's certainly not at all possible for an amateur weightlifting female to transition to a man at 45 and then make the men's US weightlifting team over 20 year olds.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of the f-n drama for what must be like 8 athletes. People are losing their marbles about the wrong thing.

There are far more than 8 and that number is growing.
It is a huge issue for women athletes.

Post some link showing the numbers but what does it matter? These are women playing amateur sports. This is a none issue. People like you were against allowing blacks and women playing college sports. This is just the same old, same old. Wealth marginal player get cut and blames everyone else for their lack of athleticism.

WTF? You have no idea what or who I support.

These are males who are identifying as women competing IN LIEU OF biological women. They are taking spots from actual women.
Here is a list of 35 trans athletes at the college level.
It does NOT include the trans athletes at the high school level who, in some cases, take scholarships away from biological women.

https://www.outsports.com/trans/2022/1/7/22850789/trans-athletes-college-ncaa-lia-thomas

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of the f-n drama for what must be like 8 athletes. People are losing their marbles about the wrong thing.

But its not 8 athletes.....its 8 athletes competing against hundreds of female athletes.

I think the problem is even these "8" have an outsized number reaching the top in women's sports when the whole point of Title IX was to allow women to have actual competitive sports where they can reach their max potential. Even in the Olympics, a 45 year old trans woman was able to compete in weightlifting. She didn't win but it's certainly not at all possible for an amateur weightlifting female to transition to a man at 45 and then make the men's US weightlifting team over 20 year olds.

It amateur sport. There are 220,000 women college “athletes”. In the general population 0.6% identify as transgender. There should be 1,300 trans athletes in college sports. There are 32 tran athletes in college. Two have made the Olympics this cycle.

If you want to make to Olympics or a college team preform better. The bottom of the rosters are the ones getting cut but the number is way way under 1%. This is not an issue.

[Anonymous]

Dare I even wade in... Sigh.
Violence is wrong, suffice it to say. On every level.
Who hit her? A "man in a dress?" Or a trans woman?
There has to be reasonable regulations around trans athletes. I support anyone's right to be trans. Doesn't affect me in the slightest, but it makes sense to have objective regulations around sports. Safety, fairness, all of it matters. Why can't they do testing and you must have levels of X below/above level Y in order to compete in whatever sport. And you can't have transitioned after the age of X so as not to gain an unfair biological advantage.

I don't know, something like that. There has to be some fairness acknowledged here. There HAS to be a middle ground here somewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of the f-n drama for what must be like 8 athletes. People are losing their marbles about the wrong thing.

But its not 8 athletes.....its 8 athletes competing against hundreds of female athletes.

I think the problem is even these "8" have an outsized number reaching the top in women's sports when the whole point of Title IX was to allow women to have actual competitive sports where they can reach their max potential. Even in the Olympics, a 45 year old trans woman was able to compete in weightlifting. She didn't win but it's certainly not at all possible for an amateur weightlifting female to transition to a man at 45 and then make the men's US weightlifting team over 20 year olds.

It amateur sport. There are 220,000 women college “athletes”. In the general population 0.6% identify as transgender. There should be 1,300 trans athletes in college sports. There are 32 tran athletes in college. Two have made the Olympics this cycle.

If you want to make to Olympics or a college team preform better. The bottom of the rosters are the ones getting cut but the number is way way under 1%. This is not an issue.

Where are you getting these stats from? Is it broken down by age cohort?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This issue makes my blood boil. Why is this even a debate? Should the NCAA consider a new "Transgender" category to even the playing field? What I know for certain is that biological men should not be competing against biological women. Please don't say I'm insensitive to transgender rights. It's just not fair or safe to have a biological man compete against a biological woman. Period.

The issue has already been addressed by the NCAA and authorities for each sport, as it should be.

https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2022/1/27/transgender-participation-policy.aspx

The issue has never been addressed in terms of title IX scholarship requirements though. Once a transgender woman takes a scholarship for a sport like basketball, then higher courts will have to weigh in on the definition of woman for title IX purposes

Read the updated rules. A transgender woman who went through male puberty is unlikely to be eligible to play.

[Anonymous]

It amateur sport. There are 220,000 women college “athletes”. In the general population 0.6% identify as transgender. There should be 1,300 trans athletes in college sports. There are 32 tran athletes in college. Two have made the Olympics this cycle.

If you want to make to Olympics or a college team preform better. The bottom of the rosters are the ones getting cut but the number is way way under 1%. This is not an issue.

It is an issue if you are the one bumped out by a trans woman.

You've left out the high school kids. I think it was two trans runners that knocked out biological girls in CT
And, there is also professional sports- a transwoman won a big golf tournament in Australia.

Nothing is keeping Lia Thomas from swimming. But, "winning" as a woman is ridiculous.

Just as it is ridiculous for transwomen to win "women of the year" awards when they have not had to deal with the same issues as biological women. Example: Rachel Levine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

It amateur sport. There are 220,000 women college “athletes”. In the general population 0.6% identify as transgender. There should be 1,300 trans athletes in college sports. There are 32 tran athletes in college. Two have made the Olympics this cycle.

If you want to make to Olympics or a college team preform better. The bottom of the rosters are the ones getting cut but the number is way way under 1%. This is not an issue.

It is an issue if you are the one bumped out by a trans woman.

You've left out the high school kids. I think it was two trans runners that knocked out biological girls in CT
And, there is also professional sports- a transwoman won a big golf tournament in Australia.

Nothing is keeping Lia Thomas from swimming. But, "winning" as a woman is ridiculous.

Just as it is ridiculous for transwomen to win "women of the year" awards when they have not had to deal with the same issues as biological women. Example: Rachel Levine.

There are 220,000 spots for women athletes and only 32 trans athlete. The majority of the 32 are not really that good. If you lose your spot to a tran athlete chances are you would lose it to someone else. College athletics are not really that elite. If you want to play and are a decent athlete you can play. You know this but you just do not like trans. It has to be much harder to be a trans woman vs being a “biological” woman. A trans woman has to deal with everything a woman deals with plus people like yourself. No one is under going trans procedure to play amateur sports.

This is specially true in high school and middle school. Let them play and feel apart of a team.

There was a trans kid in my DD class. She caught all kinds of sh#t from people like you. She ended up killing herself. Her parents who were outspoken feminist were devastated. Go push your feminist agenda to her parents. See what that gets you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It amateur sport. There are 220,000 women college “athletes”. In the general population 0.6% identify as transgender. There should be 1,300 trans athletes in college sports. There are 32 tran athletes in college. Two have made the Olympics this cycle.

If you want to make to Olympics or a college team preform better. The bottom of the rosters are the ones getting cut but the number is way way under 1%. This is not an issue.

It is an issue if you are the one bumped out by a trans woman.

You've left out the high school kids. I think it was two trans runners that knocked out biological girls in CT
And, there is also professional sports- a transwoman won a big golf tournament in Australia.

Nothing is keeping Lia Thomas from swimming. But, "winning" as a woman is ridiculous.

Just as it is ridiculous for transwomen to win "women of the year" awards when they have not had to deal with the same issues as biological women. Example: Rachel Levine.

There are 220,000 spots for women athletes and only 32 trans athlete. The majority of the 32 are not really that good. If you lose your spot to a tran athlete chances are you would lose it to someone else. College athletics are not really that elite. If you want to play and are a decent athlete you can play. You know this but you just do not like trans. It has to be much harder to be a trans woman vs being a “biological” woman. A trans woman has to deal with everything a woman deals with plus people like yourself. No one is under going trans procedure to play amateur sports.

This is specially true in high school and middle school. Let them play and feel apart of a team.

There was a trans kid in my DD class. She caught all kinds of sh#t from people like you. She ended up killing herself. Her parents who were outspoken feminist were devastated. Go push your feminist agenda to her parents. See what that gets you.

So, the feelings of *actual* females don't count?
This is about much more than "just letting them play." It is about allowing women to have privacy in locker rooms. It is about women having access to college scholarships intended for women. It is about safety of the sport when women are forced to play against biological men.

So sorry your friend's child committed suicide. That is always a very sad event, regardless whether the child is trans or not. Kids are bullied all the time. And, we need to deal with bullies.
But, advocating for allowing women to compete against actual women is not bullying. It is actually science.

[Anonymous]

So are the anti-trans folks suggesting that hs and college athletes are transitioning from male to female in droves so they can win in competitive sports? Seems like a lot of trouble to go through just to win in amateur sports.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So are the anti-trans folks suggesting that hs and college athletes are transitioning from male to female in droves so they can win in competitive sports? Seems like a lot of trouble to go through just to win in amateur sports.

In some cases, perhaps. But, that doesn't matter actually.
It has everything to do with fairness, safety, privacy, and the rights of women. The reason for transitioning doesn't really matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So are the anti-trans folks suggesting that hs and college athletes are transitioning from male to female in droves so they can win in competitive sports? Seems like a lot of trouble to go through just to win in amateur sports.

In some cases, perhaps. But, that doesn't matter actually.
It has everything to do with fairness, safety, privacy, and the rights of women. The reason for transitioning doesn't really matter.

In no cases is this happening. Be real.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So are the anti-trans folks suggesting that hs and college athletes are transitioning from male to female in droves so they can win in competitive sports? Seems like a lot of trouble to go through just to win in amateur sports.

Not at all. It's just very easy to compete in women's sports when you have male biology. A varsity HS boys soccer team can be competitive against the US women's national team for example. So I wouldn't be surprised if many transition for their own reasons but then find they are very competitive in sports at a high level when they used to play on a men's rec team or JV.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dare I even wade in... Sigh.
Violence is wrong, suffice it to say. On every level.
Who hit her? A "man in a dress?" Or a trans woman?
There has to be reasonable regulations around trans athletes. I support anyone's right to be trans. Doesn't affect me in the slightest, but it makes sense to have objective regulations around sports. Safety, fairness, all of it matters. Why can't they do testing and you must have levels of X below/above level Y in order to compete in whatever sport. And you can't have transitioned after the age of X so as not to gain an unfair biological advantage.

I don't know, something like that. There has to be some fairness acknowledged here. There HAS to be a middle ground here somewhere.

Several states are making it illegal for children to transition and forcing them to wait until adulthood to transition medically. I’ve always believed this to be one of the reasons. Force trans kids to continue through puberty as the gender they don’t identify with so if they transition as adults they’ll be less likely to pass as the gender they identify as.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So are the anti-trans folks suggesting that hs and college athletes are transitioning from male to female in droves so they can win in competitive sports? Seems like a lot of trouble to go through just to win in amateur sports.

Not at all. It's just very easy to compete in women's sports when you have male biology. A varsity HS boys soccer team can be competitive against the US women's national team for example. So I wouldn't be surprised if many transition for their own reasons but then find they are very competitive in sports at a high level when they used to play on a men's rec team or JV.

It is not easy. That is an exaggeration. An uncoordinated, unathletic male will not become these things just because they transition. But it is obviously an unfair advantage to trans people that are good athletes.