Young Scholars Admittance

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Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for OP to tell us specifically what her child missed out on and was upset about.

Still waiting...oh wait, OP isn't coming back because she's a Republican troll. It's spring of an election year, folks, please read these posts VERY CRITICALLY. The Republicans are out in full force and as we learned in the last big election, they are NOT afraid to use this forum and education in general as a tool to get what they want. They are very, very, very manipulative. Don't believe everything you read here.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for OP to tell us specifically what her child missed out on and was upset about.

Still waiting...oh wait, OP isn't coming back because she's a Republican troll. It's spring of an election year, folks, please read these posts VERY CRITICALLY. The Republicans are out in full force and as we learned in the last big election, they are NOT afraid to use this forum and education in general as a tool to get what they want. They are very, very, very manipulative. Don't believe everything you read here.

You're undoubtedly right, but the irony is that someone is complaining about an email about a Young Scholars-like program circulated at Cooper MS, a middle school that a wealthy DEMOCRAT on the FCPS School Board from Great Falls made sure in 2021 remains free of ANY multi-family housing and includes ONLY expensive single-family houses and expensive townhouses.

So there is plenty of HYPOCRISY in this county on the part of officials in BOTH parties to go around, and voters in the fall 2023 elections should be aware of it.

Bumping this because there are two sides to every political story in Fairfax County.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, this is a great teaching moment for you and your child. If you take the time to learn about why students from these disadvantaged backgrounds need such a program, you can explain it to your kid. After all, people of color are forced to have very serious conversations with their kids about things like police brutality and racial profiling, so your kid will survive.

Please do some self-reflection because you may be passing down your unconscious (or conscious) prejudice to your child.

It is a good opportunity to explain that my kids and the young scholars are not at fault here and that this segregation exists because misguided adults chose to separate children because of the color of their skin or the jobs some parents have. It’s a good lesson.

PP, I think a lot of FCPS's "equity" language is nonsense, but your post is ridiculous. Do you also want your child without disabilities to have an IEP? Frankly, if this is even on your radar as a problem, you live a privileged life. Move along.

It's pretty simple. This program admits based on the color of a kids skin... to support kids who may be disadvantaged because of the color of their skin? Why not just have a program like this for everyone to be encouraged achieve their best? Everyone can gain something from this kind of program.

I talked about kid who was admitted previously. She’s white. Not low SES. But she is 2e. Stop spreading lies PP.

My child is also in Young Scholars. White. High SES, but 2e. It’s not about skin color.[/quote]

Of course they have to have some white kids or it would really "look bad". 2E and low ses allows this program to appear discrimination-free.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for OP to tell us specifically what her child missed out on and was upset about.

Still waiting...oh wait, OP isn't coming back because she's a Republican troll. It's spring of an election year, folks, please read these posts VERY CRITICALLY. The Republicans are out in full force and as we learned in the last big election, they are NOT afraid to use this forum and education in general as a tool to get what they want. They are very, very, very manipulative. Don't believe everything you read here.

You're undoubtedly right, but the irony is that someone is complaining about an email about a Young Scholars-like program circulated at Cooper MS, a middle school that a wealthy DEMOCRAT on the FCPS School Board from Great Falls made sure in 2021 remains free of ANY multi-family housing and includes ONLY expensive single-family houses and expensive townhouses.

So there is plenty of HYPOCRISY in this county on the part of officials in BOTH parties to go around, and voters in the fall 2023 elections should be aware of it.

Bumping this because there are two sides to every political story in Fairfax County.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, this is a great teaching moment for you and your child. If you take the time to learn about why students from these disadvantaged backgrounds need such a program, you can explain it to your kid. After all, people of color are forced to have very serious conversations with their kids about things like police brutality and racial profiling, so your kid will survive.

Please do some self-reflection because you may be passing down your unconscious (or conscious) prejudice to your child.

It is a good opportunity to explain that my kids and the young scholars are not at fault here and that this segregation exists because misguided adults chose to separate children because of the color of their skin or the jobs some parents have. It’s a good lesson.

PP, I think a lot of FCPS's "equity" language is nonsense, but your post is ridiculous. Do you also want your child without disabilities to have an IEP? Frankly, if this is even on your radar as a problem, you live a privileged life. Move along.

It's pretty simple. This program admits based on the color of a kids skin... to support kids who may be disadvantaged because of the color of their skin? Why not just have a program like this for everyone to be encouraged achieve their best? Everyone can gain something from this kind of program.

I talked about kid who was admitted previously. She’s white. Not low SES. But she is 2e. Stop spreading lies PP.

My child is also in Young Scholars. White. High SES, but 2e. It’s not about skin color.[/quote]

But, if you are Black or Brown you can be selected if you are not 2E or poor?

Of course they have to have some white kids or it would really "look bad". 2E and low ses allows this program to appear discrimination-free.

[Anonymous]

DP: All FCPS students should receive these enrichment opportunities, if any do. That's equal opportunity and that's what public schools funded by taxpayer dollars should provide. As currently structured, it is not set up to be "equitable."

https://www.fcps.edu/academics/elementary-school-academics/k-6advanced-academics/young-scholars-k-12

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Anonymous wrote:DP: All FCPS students should receive these enrichment opportunities, if any do. That's equal opportunity and that's what public schools funded by taxpayer dollars should provide. As currently structured, it is not set up to be "equitable."

https://www.fcps.edu/academics/elementary-school-academics/k-6advanced-academics/young-scholars-k-12

I agree, my kid at Washington mill should have access to the same enrichments as students at Colvin Run and when they get to Whitman, they should have the same classes and after school activities as Longfellow and at MVHS they should get the same opportunities as kids at Langley or TJ. Or are you just talking about removing opportunities from a subset of kids and not actually equalizing anything?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, this is a great teaching moment for you and your child. If you take the time to learn about why students from these disadvantaged backgrounds need such a program, you can explain it to your kid. After all, people of color are forced to have very serious conversations with their kids about things like police brutality and racial profiling, so your kid will survive.

Please do some self-reflection because you may be passing down your unconscious (or conscious) prejudice to your child.

It is a good opportunity to explain that my kids and the young scholars are not at fault here and that this segregation exists because misguided adults chose to separate children because of the color of their skin or the jobs some parents have. It’s a good lesson.

PP, I think a lot of FCPS's "equity" language is nonsense, but your post is ridiculous. Do you also want your child without disabilities to have an IEP? Frankly, if this is even on your radar as a problem, you live a privileged life. Move along.

It's pretty simple. This program admits based on the color of a kids skin... to support kids who may be disadvantaged because of the color of their skin? Why not just have a program like this for everyone to be encouraged achieve their best? Everyone can gain something from this kind of program.

I talked about kid who was admitted previously. She’s white. Not low SES. But she is 2e. Stop spreading lies PP.

My child is also in Young Scholars. White. High SES, but 2e. It’s not about skin color.

So then based on the admission criteria a white middle class neurotypical kid is not listed as qualifying but a black middle class neurotypical kid does qualify or a hispanic middle class neurotypical kid does qualify. And that is not about skin color?

I just think it appears to be a good thing that all kids could benefit from.

Never heard of it before... looked it up and was a bit shocked. But it sounds like it's been around for a while and we can just ask to join, so it's just bad messaging. thanks for the help.

It's kind of about skin color. My kids were not eligible for YS. Some Black and Hispanic classmates with college educated parents working professional jobs were admitted. In that case, the only real difference between them and my kid was skin color and not 2E status, SES, parental education level, aptitude, or anything else.

It's still a great program and not at all a problem. The URM classmates who got in will experience some degree of racism due to their skin color, so they are still disadvantaged based on skin color. It's fine for them to get access to programs that will encourage them. Also, many of them are excellent role models for other URMs who were less likely to consider more rigorous courses. My kids may have been a bit bummed to miss out on some cool field trips and summer programs, but they're otherwise not disadvantaged in any way and don't belong in a program for kids who are disadvantaged.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, this is a great teaching moment for you and your child. If you take the time to learn about why students from these disadvantaged backgrounds need such a program, you can explain it to your kid. After all, people of color are forced to have very serious conversations with their kids about things like police brutality and racial profiling, so your kid will survive.

Please do some self-reflection because you may be passing down your unconscious (or conscious) prejudice to your child.

It is a good opportunity to explain that my kids and the young scholars are not at fault here and that this segregation exists because misguided adults chose to separate children because of the color of their skin or the jobs some parents have. It’s a good lesson.

PP, I think a lot of FCPS's "equity" language is nonsense, but your post is ridiculous. Do you also want your child without disabilities to have an IEP? Frankly, if this is even on your radar as a problem, you live a privileged life. Move along.

It's pretty simple. This program admits based on the color of a kids skin... to support kids who may be disadvantaged because of the color of their skin? Why not just have a program like this for everyone to be encouraged achieve their best? Everyone can gain something from this kind of program.

I talked about kid who was admitted previously. She’s white. Not low SES. But she is 2e. Stop spreading lies PP.

My child is also in Young Scholars. White. High SES, but 2e. It’s not about skin color.

So then based on the admission criteria a white middle class neurotypical kid is not listed as qualifying but a black middle class neurotypical kid does qualify or a hispanic middle class neurotypical kid does qualify. And that is not about skin color?

I just think it appears to be a good thing that all kids could benefit from.

Never heard of it before... looked it up and was a bit shocked. But it sounds like it's been around for a while and we can just ask to join, so it's just bad messaging. thanks for the help.

It's kind of about skin color. My kids were not eligible for YS. Some Black and Hispanic classmates with college educated parents working professional jobs were admitted. In that case, the only real difference between them and my kid was skin color and not 2E status, SES, parental education level, aptitude, or anything else.

It's still a great program and not at all a problem. The URM classmates who got in will experience some degree of racism due to their skin color, so they are still disadvantaged based on skin color. It's fine for them to get access to programs that will encourage them. Also, many of them are excellent role models for other URMs who were less likely to consider more rigorous courses. My kids may have been a bit bummed to miss out on some cool field trips and summer programs, but they're otherwise not disadvantaged in any way and don't belong in a program for kids who are disadvantaged.

Kids aren’t dumb. When they ask why and you explain that sometimes people are racist to those black kids, so they get this to make up for it. You don’t get this because you are Asian and don’t experience racism the same way, so the school gets to be racist to you because that’s good racism. I mean there’s no good way to explain this. It gets even worse when you are in a minority majority school.

I’m sure it started as a good idea, but if you are new to all this and your kid brings it up and you look into it, it ain’t great.

It should be strictly along SES and 2E lines if anything.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, this is a great teaching moment for you and your child. If you take the time to learn about why students from these disadvantaged backgrounds need such a program, you can explain it to your kid. After all, people of color are forced to have very serious conversations with their kids about things like police brutality and racial profiling, so your kid will survive.

Please do some self-reflection because you may be passing down your unconscious (or conscious) prejudice to your child.

It is a good opportunity to explain that my kids and the young scholars are not at fault here and that this segregation exists because misguided adults chose to separate children because of the color of their skin or the jobs some parents have. It’s a good lesson.

PP, I think a lot of FCPS's "equity" language is nonsense, but your post is ridiculous. Do you also want your child without disabilities to have an IEP? Frankly, if this is even on your radar as a problem, you live a privileged life. Move along.

It's pretty simple. This program admits based on the color of a kids skin... to support kids who may be disadvantaged because of the color of their skin? Why not just have a program like this for everyone to be encouraged achieve their best? Everyone can gain something from this kind of program.

I talked about kid who was admitted previously. She’s white. Not low SES. But she is 2e. Stop spreading lies PP.

My child is also in Young Scholars. White. High SES, but 2e. It’s not about skin color.

So then based on the admission criteria a white middle class neurotypical kid is not listed as qualifying but a black middle class neurotypical kid does qualify or a hispanic middle class neurotypical kid does qualify. And that is not about skin color?

I just think it appears to be a good thing that all kids could benefit from.

Never heard of it before... looked it up and was a bit shocked. But it sounds like it's been around for a while and we can just ask to join, so it's just bad messaging. thanks for the help.

It's kind of about skin color. My kids were not eligible for YS. Some Black and Hispanic classmates with college educated parents working professional jobs were admitted. In that case, the only real difference between them and my kid was skin color and not 2E status, SES, parental education level, aptitude, or anything else.

It's still a great program and not at all a problem. The URM classmates who got in will experience some degree of racism due to their skin color, so they are still disadvantaged based on skin color. It's fine for them to get access to programs that will encourage them. Also, many of them are excellent role models for other URMs who were less likely to consider more rigorous courses. My kids may have been a bit bummed to miss out on some cool field trips and summer programs, but they're otherwise not disadvantaged in any way and don't belong in a program for kids who are disadvantaged.

Kids aren’t dumb. When they ask why and you explain that sometimes people are racist to those black kids, so they get this to make up for it. You don’t get this because you are Asian and don’t experience racism the same way, so the school gets to be racist to you because that’s good racism. I mean there’s no good way to explain this. It gets even worse when you are in a minority majority school.

I’m sure it started as a good idea, but if you are new to all this and your kid brings it up and you look into it, it ain’t great.

It should be strictly along SES and 2E lines if anything.

I just tell the kids in my class that it’s anothe pull-out program like Level III, ESOL, Math Intervention etc. Normally, that does the trick.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, this is a great teaching moment for you and your child. If you take the time to learn about why students from these disadvantaged backgrounds need such a program, you can explain it to your kid. After all, people of color are forced to have very serious conversations with their kids about things like police brutality and racial profiling, so your kid will survive.

Please do some self-reflection because you may be passing down your unconscious (or conscious) prejudice to your child.

It is a good opportunity to explain that my kids and the young scholars are not at fault here and that this segregation exists because misguided adults chose to separate children because of the color of their skin or the jobs some parents have. It’s a good lesson.

PP, I think a lot of FCPS's "equity" language is nonsense, but your post is ridiculous. Do you also want your child without disabilities to have an IEP? Frankly, if this is even on your radar as a problem, you live a privileged life. Move along.

It's pretty simple. This program admits based on the color of a kids skin... to support kids who may be disadvantaged because of the color of their skin? Why not just have a program like this for everyone to be encouraged achieve their best? Everyone can gain something from this kind of program.

I talked about kid who was admitted previously. She’s white. Not low SES. But she is 2e. Stop spreading lies PP.

My child is also in Young Scholars. White. High SES, but 2e. It’s not about skin color.

So then based on the admission criteria a white middle class neurotypical kid is not listed as qualifying but a black middle class neurotypical kid does qualify or a hispanic middle class neurotypical kid does qualify. And that is not about skin color?

I just think it appears to be a good thing that all kids could benefit from.

Never heard of it before... looked it up and was a bit shocked. But it sounds like it's been around for a while and we can just ask to join, so it's just bad messaging. thanks for the help.

It's kind of about skin color. My kids were not eligible for YS. Some Black and Hispanic classmates with college educated parents working professional jobs were admitted. In that case, the only real difference between them and my kid was skin color and not 2E status, SES, parental education level, aptitude, or anything else.

It's still a great program and not at all a problem. The URM classmates who got in will experience some degree of racism due to their skin color, so they are still disadvantaged based on skin color. It's fine for them to get access to programs that will encourage them. Also, many of them are excellent role models for other URMs who were less likely to consider more rigorous courses. My kids may have been a bit bummed to miss out on some cool field trips and summer programs, but they're otherwise not disadvantaged in any way and don't belong in a program for kids who are disadvantaged.

Kids aren’t dumb. When they ask why and you explain that sometimes people are racist to those black kids, so they get this to make up for it. You don’t get this because you are Asian and don’t experience racism the same way, so the school gets to be racist to you because that’s good racism. I mean there’s no good way to explain this. It gets even worse when you are in a minority majority school.

I’m sure it started as a good idea, but if you are new to all this and your kid brings it up and you look into it, it ain’t great.

It should be strictly along SES and 2E lines if anything.

Do the Asian kids ask why when they know their own parents will provide them with the opportunities this program provides, in some cases even before they want to deal with things like college admissions, or do they ask why when they are simply rhetorical foils in your never-ending quest to convince Asian parents to vote Republican?

Because we’ve had programs like this in place for years, and also lots of Asian kids in FCPS for years, and it’s perhaps not a coincidence this is getting portrayed as something new and anti-Asian in an election year.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, this is a great teaching moment for you and your child. If you take the time to learn about why students from these disadvantaged backgrounds need such a program, you can explain it to your kid. After all, people of color are forced to have very serious conversations with their kids about things like police brutality and racial profiling, so your kid will survive.

Please do some self-reflection because you may be passing down your unconscious (or conscious) prejudice to your child.

It is a good opportunity to explain that my kids and the young scholars are not at fault here and that this segregation exists because misguided adults chose to separate children because of the color of their skin or the jobs some parents have. It’s a good lesson.

PP, I think a lot of FCPS's "equity" language is nonsense, but your post is ridiculous. Do you also want your child without disabilities to have an IEP? Frankly, if this is even on your radar as a problem, you live a privileged life. Move along.

It's pretty simple. This program admits based on the color of a kids skin... to support kids who may be disadvantaged because of the color of their skin? Why not just have a program like this for everyone to be encouraged achieve their best? Everyone can gain something from this kind of program.

I talked about kid who was admitted previously. She’s white. Not low SES. But she is 2e. Stop spreading lies PP.

My child is also in Young Scholars. White. High SES, but 2e. It’s not about skin color.

So then based on the admission criteria a white middle class neurotypical kid is not listed as qualifying but a black middle class neurotypical kid does qualify or a hispanic middle class neurotypical kid does qualify. And that is not about skin color?

I just think it appears to be a good thing that all kids could benefit from.

Never heard of it before... looked it up and was a bit shocked. But it sounds like it's been around for a while and we can just ask to join, so it's just bad messaging. thanks for the help.

It's kind of about skin color. My kids were not eligible for YS. Some Black and Hispanic classmates with college educated parents working professional jobs were admitted. In that case, the only real difference between them and my kid was skin color and not 2E status, SES, parental education level, aptitude, or anything else.

It's still a great program and not at all a problem. The URM classmates who got in will experience some degree of racism due to their skin color, so they are still disadvantaged based on skin color. It's fine for them to get access to programs that will encourage them. Also, many of them are excellent role models for other URMs who were less likely to consider more rigorous courses. My kids may have been a bit bummed to miss out on some cool field trips and summer programs, but they're otherwise not disadvantaged in any way and don't belong in a program for kids who are disadvantaged.

Kids aren’t dumb. When they ask why and you explain that sometimes people are racist to those black kids, so they get this to make up for it. You don’t get this because you are Asian and don’t experience racism the same way, so the school gets to be racist to you because that’s good racism. I mean there’s no good way to explain this. It gets even worse when you are in a minority majority school.

I’m sure it started as a good idea, but if you are new to all this and your kid brings it up and you look into it, it ain’t great.

It should be strictly along SES and 2E lines if anything.

I think the intention to specifically include Black and Hispanic, regardless of SES, is because of the fact that they still lag far behind in college degree statistics. White and Asian adults are twice as likely to have college degrees. You can chalk that up to culture, values, or a variety of other reasons. But there's value in trying to break generational cycles by helping young kids who statistically aren't destined to graduate college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They discuss Young Scholars at my kids school. No one seems to care. The STEM after school offerings fill up in no time flat. There are kids doing various STEM Clubs and events. I think most people are comfortable with the idea that they can afford a better program so that is what they do.

Some folks want to be outraged just to be outraged.

My child's school has Young Scholars and we are not aware of any STEM events or clubs after school.

[Anonymous]

[quoteI think the intention to specifically include Black and Hispanic, regardless of SES, is because of the fact that they still lag far behind in college degree statistics. White and Asian adults are twice as likely to have college degrees. You can chalk that up to culture, values, or a variety of other reasons. But there's value in trying to break generational cycles by helping young kids who statistically aren't destined to graduate college.


Can't help but think of one of my son's friend--from a Hispanic family. He won some awards for Hispanic kids. My son just could not understand how he could get an award like that--"Mom, he FAILED Spanish" One of the parents scouldn't speak Spanish, either, although he was definitely of Mexican heritage. Why? His family was "old school." You come to the United States and you speak English.
Both parents were very well educated in professional careers, but he was eligible for all sorts of things because of his heritage.

As long as we base things on color, there will be divisiveness.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, this is a great teaching moment for you and your child. If you take the time to learn about why students from these disadvantaged backgrounds need such a program, you can explain it to your kid. After all, people of color are forced to have very serious conversations with their kids about things like police brutality and racial profiling, so your kid will survive.

Please do some self-reflection because you may be passing down your unconscious (or conscious) prejudice to your child.

It is a good opportunity to explain that my kids and the young scholars are not at fault here and that this segregation exists because misguided adults chose to separate children because of the color of their skin or the jobs some parents have. It’s a good lesson.

PP, I think a lot of FCPS's "equity" language is nonsense, but your post is ridiculous. Do you also want your child without disabilities to have an IEP? Frankly, if this is even on your radar as a problem, you live a privileged life. Move along.

It's pretty simple. This program admits based on the color of a kids skin... to support kids who may be disadvantaged because of the color of their skin? Why not just have a program like this for everyone to be encouraged achieve their best? Everyone can gain something from this kind of program.

I talked about kid who was admitted previously. She’s white. Not low SES. But she is 2e. Stop spreading lies PP.

My child is also in Young Scholars. White. High SES, but 2e. It’s not about skin color.[/quote]

Of course they have to have some white kids or it would really "look bad". 2E and low ses allows this program to appear discrimination-free.

Just stop. Sometimes you just have to accept that you are wrong. It may seem like it's about color on the surface, but the thread has allowed us to dive deeper and see that it's actually not.