Northern kids heading south for college

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Anonymous wrote:Stupid parents with dumb kids

Sure let’s send our kids to the most uneducated places in America

Sounds like you are already there.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh hell no. My family collectively hates the south…and heat and humidity.

Northeastern corridor. Plenty of the best schools headed north

Some of the least diverse schools are in the northeast, too. Is that also appealing to you and your family?

Sine of the biggest racists are in the south. Is that appealing to you?

New England contains at least 3 and maybe 4 of the whitest states in the US. Ask your Black friends how much they love spending time in totally not-racist Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont and Connecticut. Boston is known as “racist San Francisco.” Full of money and innovation by … whites and Asians.

Tell us again how Lewiston is a better environment for Blacks than Charlotte. We’re all interested

Racists are everywhere. Everywhere - north, south, east, west, rural, suburban, urban. And while Maine is one of the whitest states in the US, Lewiston is actually one of the most culturally diverse areas of Maine and nearly 20% of the population is Black. The Speaker of the House in the Maine legislature is a Black woman. We spend a lot of time in the Portland area and it continues to grow in diversity of the population and its elected offiicials. That doesn't mean Lewiston (or Maine in general) is a better environment for Black people than Charlotte, but Charlotte is also a major metropolitcan area and isn't exactly the deep south. Hardly a good comparison given that the locations are so very different.

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Vanderbilt is on fire because the yankee boys want to study with our southern belles.

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Anonymous wrote:But for every kid who wants a tan, I am sure there are those who are finding the politics unsupportable (abortion bans, trans oppression, gun culture).

That was mine and every single one of their friends minus one.

I think I would rather go into debt or have my kids go to community college locally than send them somewhere they are more likely to get shot or just be around crazy gun culture, and where abortion is outlawed. I think we are just losing sight of how crazy things have become. I would never send my kids to the south.

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Anonymous wrote:But for every kid who wants a tan, I am sure there are those who are finding the politics unsupportable (abortion bans, trans oppression, gun culture).

That was mine and every single one of their friends minus one.

I think I would rather go into debt or have my kids go to community college locally than send them somewhere they are more likely to get shot or just be around crazy gun culture, and where abortion is outlawed. I think we are just losing sight of how crazy things have become. I would never send my kids to the south.

I get what you’re saying. I worry about guns a lot too. But the truth is everywhere in the US is vulnerable to gun violence. It’s not contained to a region or to red states, as much as it helps northerners feel safer to believe that. It is worse in some areas than others but there is gun culture and gun violence occurs at alarming rates everywhere in the country. So in terms of safety, I may have to encourage my kids to go to college in a different country when the time comes.

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Anonymous wrote:Undergrad students at the University of Alabama--Tuscaloosa are made up of just 39% state residents (61% non-residents).

University of Georgia leans moderate to liberal.

University of South Carolina is a branch of the University of New Jersey system.

You still have to live with the state laws you got!

What percentage of young women in college do you think will need to seek an abortion? It's not the top concern for all.

+1 z take it to Politics. No one cares here

60% are concerned about this.

That’s a misrepresentation of that poll. The poll reports that 50% of currently enrolled students say state reproductive laws are “important,” and 81% of those (so 48% of the total) say they “would prefer” a state with greater access to abortion. Only 20% say access to abortion is “extremely important.” The spin on the numbers ignores the 50% who don’t really care, and nothing in that poll tries to count how many students wouldn’t attend a school in a state with abortion restrictions.

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Anonymous wrote:But for every kid who wants a tan, I am sure there are those who are finding the politics unsupportable (abortion bans, trans oppression, gun culture).

That was mine and every single one of their friends minus one.

I think I would rather go into debt or have my kids go to community college locally than send them somewhere they are more likely to get shot or just be around crazy gun culture, and where abortion is outlawed. I think we are just losing sight of how crazy things have become. I would never send my kids to the south.

I get what you’re saying. I worry about guns a lot too. But the truth is everywhere in the US is vulnerable to gun violence. It’s not contained to a region or to red states, as much as it helps northerners feel safer to believe that. It is worse in some areas than others but there is gun culture and gun violence occurs at alarming rates everywhere in the country. So in terms of safety, I may have to encourage my kids to go to college in a different country when the time comes.

I know that some of the worst mass shootings have happened in blue states with strict gun laws, like California. But overall, I think the risk of getting shot by for example an angry driver, or someone who you quarrel with at the grocery store, is much higher in these places where people open carry. I think the statistics bear this out. True that a mass shooting could happen anywhere, but the reality is those are relatively rare, whereas getting shot by your neighbor who had a bad day is not very rare. And, I could be wrong, but I think those kinds of shootings are MUCH more common in red states. If any smart person has stats on this I would like to see them. Non-suicide, shootings per capita.

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Anonymous wrote:But for every kid who wants a tan, I am sure there are those who are finding the politics unsupportable (abortion bans, trans oppression, gun culture).

That was mine and every single one of their friends minus one.

I think I would rather go into debt or have my kids go to community college locally than send them somewhere they are more likely to get shot or just be around crazy gun culture, and where abortion is outlawed. I think we are just losing sight of how crazy things have become. I would never send my kids to the south.

I get what you’re saying. I worry about guns a lot too. But the truth is everywhere in the US is vulnerable to gun violence. It’s not contained to a region or to red states, as much as it helps northerners feel safer to believe that. It is worse in some areas than others but there is gun culture and gun violence occurs at alarming rates everywhere in the country. So in terms of safety, I may have to encourage my kids to go to college in a different country when the time comes.

I know that some of the worst mass shootings have happened in blue states with strict gun laws, like California. But overall, I think the risk of getting shot by for example an angry driver, or someone who you quarrel with at the grocery store, is much higher in these places where people open carry. I think the statistics bear this out. True that a mass shooting could happen anywhere, but the reality is those are relatively rare, whereas getting shot by your neighbor who had a bad day is not very rare. And, I could be wrong, but I think those kinds of shootings are MUCH more common in red states. If any smart person has stats on this I would like to see them. Non-suicide, shootings per capita.

You’re probably right about those random stranger shootings being more common in areas with loose gun laws and I know you’re right about mass shootings being more rare. I’m just depressed thinking about the gun culture of the US and seriously considering if our kids can get out of the country for college (and then if they do, I’ll have to find a way to join them). I’m tired of living like this—in constant fear of guns.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh hell no. My family collectively hates the south…and heat and humidity.

Northeastern corridor. Plenty of the best schools headed north

Some of the least diverse schools are in the northeast, too. Is that also appealing to you and your family?

Sine of the biggest racists are in the south. Is that appealing to you?

New England contains at least 3 and maybe 4 of the whitest states in the US. Ask your Black friends how much they love spending time in totally not-racist Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont and Connecticut. Boston is known as “racist San Francisco.” Full of money and innovation by … whites and Asians.

Tell us again how Lewiston is a better environment for Blacks than Charlotte. We’re all interested

A state being primarily white (or the whitest in the country) does not necessarily means that it's racist. Looking at historical patterns of how and where groups of people ended up in this country explains why Maine, Vermont, NH, etc. are white. Now, if they have racist policies or if non-whites feel unwelcome there, that is another story.

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Anonymous wrote:Undergrad students at the University of Alabama--Tuscaloosa are made up of just 39% state residents (61% non-residents).

University of Georgia leans moderate to liberal.

University of South Carolina is a branch of the University of New Jersey system.

You still have to live with the state laws you got!

What percentage of young women in college do you think will need to seek an abortion? It's not the top concern for all.

+1 z take it to Politics. No one cares here

60% are concerned about this.

That’s a misrepresentation of that poll. The poll reports that 50% of currently enrolled students say state reproductive laws are “important,” and 81% of those (so 48% of the total) say they “would prefer” a state with greater access to abortion. Only 20% say access to abortion is “extremely important.” The spin on the numbers ignores the 50% who don’t really care, and nothing in that poll tries to count how many students wouldn’t attend a school in a state with abortion restrictions.

DP: I think you are somewhat misrepresenting the poll too. TBH, I was surprised by the strength of these responses: When you ask currently enrolled students about their decision to STAY enrolled in their college and 20% say that going to a school in a state with access to abortion is EXTREMELY important to them, and 72% it's at least "Somewhat important" that's a pretty big deal. Because deciding to stay in a college that you're already going to has a strong "stay" bias--I think it will impact people's decisions about where they want to go to college more. If you have a whole universe of colleges to consider, why go somewhere that's restricting your rights?

https://news.gallup.com/poll/474365/reproductive-health-laws-factor-college-decisions.aspx

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Anonymous wrote:Oh hell no. My family collectively hates the south…and heat and humidity.

Northeastern corridor. Plenty of the best schools headed north

Some of the least diverse schools are in the northeast, too. Is that also appealing to you and your family?

Sine of the biggest racists are in the south. Is that appealing to you?

New England contains at least 3 and maybe 4 of the whitest states in the US. Ask your Black friends how much they love spending time in totally not-racist Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont and Connecticut. Boston is known as “racist San Francisco.” Full of money and innovation by … whites and Asians.

Tell us again how Lewiston is a better environment for Blacks than Charlotte. We’re all interested

NP. This is one of the most racists posts I've read here. Apparently, being white and residing in a mostly white state makes one... a racist? Keep up the idiocy. It's working so well for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh hell no. My family collectively hates the south…and heat and humidity.

Northeastern corridor. Plenty of the best schools headed north

Some of the least diverse schools are in the northeast, too. Is that also appealing to you and your family?

Sine of the biggest racists are in the south. Is that appealing to you?

New England contains at least 3 and maybe 4 of the whitest states in the US. Ask your Black friends how much they love spending time in totally not-racist Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont and Connecticut. Boston is known as “racist San Francisco.” Full of money and innovation by … whites and Asians.

Tell us again how Lewiston is a better environment for Blacks than Charlotte. We’re all interested

A state being primarily white (or the whitest in the country) does not necessarily means that it's racist. Looking at historical patterns of how and where groups of people ended up in this country explains why Maine, Vermont, NH, etc. are white. Now, if they have racist policies or if non-whites feel unwelcome there, that is another story.

I wouldn't say everyone is "racist" in those northern states by any means; however, when you don't have to get along and live in close proximity to people from different cultures, then you don't know how people might react. If those states were truly welcoming to all groups, then they would have a more diverse population. Same for colleges. It's also true that if living in the south were truly abhorrent to Black residents with the income to move, then they wouldn't be choosing to remain in the south.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh hell no. My family collectively hates the south…and heat and humidity.

Northeastern corridor. Plenty of the best schools headed north

Some of the least diverse schools are in the northeast, too. Is that also appealing to you and your family?

Sine of the biggest racists are in the south. Is that appealing to you?

New England contains at least 3 and maybe 4 of the whitest states in the US. Ask your Black friends how much they love spending time in totally not-racist Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont and Connecticut. Boston is known as “racist San Francisco.” Full of money and innovation by … whites and Asians.

Tell us again how Lewiston is a better environment for Blacks than Charlotte. We’re all interested

A state being primarily white (or the whitest in the country) does not necessarily means that it's racist. Looking at historical patterns of how and where groups of people ended up in this country explains why Maine, Vermont, NH, etc. are white. Now, if they have racist policies or if non-whites feel unwelcome there, that is another story.

I wouldn't say everyone is "racist" in those northern states by any means; however, when you don't have to get along and live in close proximity to people from different cultures, then you don't know how people might react. If those states were truly welcoming to all groups, then they would have a more diverse population. Same for colleges. It's also true that if living in the south were truly abhorrent to Black residents with the income to move, then they wouldn't be choosing to remain in the south.

People don't all have the means to move and they tend to stay where they have family and history.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh hell no. My family collectively hates the south…and heat and humidity.

Northeastern corridor. Plenty of the best schools headed north

Some of the least diverse schools are in the northeast, too. Is that also appealing to you and your family?

Sine of the biggest racists are in the south. Is that appealing to you?

New England contains at least 3 and maybe 4 of the whitest states in the US. Ask your Black friends how much they love spending time in totally not-racist Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont and Connecticut. Boston is known as “racist San Francisco.” Full of money and innovation by … whites and Asians.

Tell us again how Lewiston is a better environment for Blacks than Charlotte. We’re all interested

A state being primarily white (or the whitest in the country) does not necessarily means that it's racist. Looking at historical patterns of how and where groups of people ended up in this country explains why Maine, Vermont, NH, etc. are white. Now, if they have racist policies or if non-whites feel unwelcome there, that is another story.

I wouldn't say everyone is "racist" in those northern states by any means; however, when you don't have to get along and live in close proximity to people from different cultures, then you don't know how people might react. If those states were truly welcoming to all groups, then they would have a more diverse population. Same for colleges. It's also true that if living in the south were truly abhorrent to Black residents with the income to move, then they wouldn't be choosing to remain in the south.

People don't all have the means to move and they tend to stay where they have family and history.

I agree, but I said those who could. There are many Black people who have chosen to live and work in the south. It's not 1950 any more

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Anonymous wrote:Undergrad students at the University of Alabama--Tuscaloosa are made up of just 39% state residents (61% non-residents).

University of Georgia leans moderate to liberal.

University of South Carolina is a branch of the University of New Jersey system.

You still have to live with the state laws you got!

What percentage of young women in college do you think will need to seek an abortion? It's not the top concern for all.

+1 z take it to Politics. No one cares here

60% are concerned about this.

That’s a misrepresentation of that poll. The poll reports that 50% of currently enrolled students say state reproductive laws are “important,” and 81% of those (so 48% of the total) say they “would prefer” a state with greater access to abortion. Only 20% say access to abortion is “extremely important.” The spin on the numbers ignores the 50% who don’t really care, and nothing in that poll tries to count how many students wouldn’t attend a school in a state with abortion restrictions.

DP: I think you are somewhat misrepresenting the poll too. TBH, I was surprised by the strength of these responses: When you ask currently enrolled students about their decision to STAY enrolled in their college and 20% say that going to a school in a state with access to abortion is EXTREMELY important to them, and 72% it's at least "Somewhat important" that's a pretty big deal. Because deciding to stay in a college that you're already going to has a strong "stay" bias--I think it will impact people's decisions about where they want to go to college more. If you have a whole universe of colleges to consider, why go somewhere that's restricting your rights?

https://news.gallup.com/poll/474365/reproductive-health-laws-factor-college-decisions.aspx

Look again. Those were two different questions. The first question wasn’t “would you leave a college in a state that doesn’t allow access to abortion” it was “are state laws on abortion important to you?” The follow up question showed that 20% of the students who replied that state laws were at least somewhat important actually wanted to attend college in states with more *restrictive* laws. The follow up questions regarding whether that would impact your decision are only showing the responses among those who replied that abortion laws were at least somewhat important. Those spinning this poll are assuming that those who said they care about abortion laws are automatically pro choice, and are conflating the “would impact my decision” group with a percentage of the entire polling group (when it was just the “somewhat important” subgroup) (leaving out the 50% who said they didn’t care). The way the poll and report are structured appears that they did it this way on purpose.