Conservative confusion over schools

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Anonymous wrote:They weren't "storming" meetings. They were speaking up as they should have.

You aren't the only ones who get to protest.

Seriously. And the claims the PP continues to make about "non-parents storming the SB," etc. are the rantings of an unwell person.

Stop lying and gaslighting. It happened.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/death-threats-online-abuse-police-protection-school-board-members-face-dark-new-reality/2021/11/09/db007706-37fe-11ec-9bc4-86107e7b0ab1_story.html

According to the school board. The same one that was proven to have lied.

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Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

Not only that, Youngkin sent out a bat signal and got far right activists from all around the country to converge on NoVA school board meetings pretending to be local parents shrieking about everything and anything including imaginary CRT, resulting in school board members and school officials receiving horrific threats to rape and murder them and their children, burn their houses down and so on.

Calling it bad-faith is too gentle.

You are willfully ignoring what happened. Read the Grand Jury report.

The rape and how it was handled was bad, yes. But the far right also willfully ignored a lot of other aspects of the case that were out of the district's hands and made a lot of wrongful accusations, along with their far-right CRT lies and everything else. And despite the rape, NOTHING warranted those far right loons storming meetings lying and falsely pretending they were district parents, and making horrific threats to rape, torture, burn alive, murder school board members, school officials and their families. That was utterly disgusting, terroristic behavior by the far right and you may not willfully ignore that either.

This is what I remember about the parents who "stormed" the meeting.

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Can you imagine being the parent of a girl who was raped - and then being treated like this? Just disgusting. The PP is repulsive.

Stop it.

The rape is one issue. It was horrible and was badly mishandled.

BUT. The violent threats are a separate issue, absolutely NOT justified by the first. And the violent threats weren't just about the rape, since school boards in many other places around the country were also accosted by right wing extremists. The violent threats have been over CRT and every other delusional fever dream of the far right.

Okay. Go ask the FBI to investigate all those terrorist parents.

Oh wait.

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Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

Not only that, Youngkin sent out a bat signal and got far right activists from all around the country to converge on NoVA school board meetings pretending to be local parents shrieking about everything and anything including imaginary CRT, resulting in school board members and school officials receiving horrific threats to rape and murder them and their children, burn their houses down and so on.

Calling it bad-faith is too gentle.

You are willfully ignoring what happened. Read the Grand Jury report.

The rape and how it was handled was bad, yes. But the far right also willfully ignored a lot of other aspects of the case that were out of the district's hands and made a lot of wrongful accusations, along with their far-right CRT lies and everything else. And despite the rape, NOTHING warranted those far right loons storming meetings lying and falsely pretending they were district parents, and making horrific threats to rape, torture, burn alive, murder school board members, school officials and their families. That was utterly disgusting, terroristic behavior by the far right and you may not willfully ignore that either.

This is what I remember about the parents who "stormed" the meeting.

As much as I feel bad for what happened in that school, you don't report a crime by getting violent at a school board meeting. Take it up with the police. That is what the school did - they reported it to the police and followed procedure. The right wing screamed about "coverup" but the reality was that they were NOT LEGALLY ALLOWED to divulge details of what transpired. I think the rapist kid should have been expelled and arrested rather than ending up in another school but the lack of arrest is on the police, not the school. Also, I think this has less to do with being trans than it does about the rapist kid being a predator. Being trans does not somehow automatically make one a predator and rapist. He probably would have raped someone even if he wasn't trans.

And again, Loudoun school officials were getting dozens of horrific, violent threats every single day. That's horrible and unjustifiable. https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2021/10/loudoun-co-school-board-receiving-violent-threats-school-says/ The people making threats are still making threats even today, and the calls come from all over the country.

Also, I recall reading about numerous far right activists who were identified disrupting Loudoun school board meetings lying and pretending to be parents who were from as far away as North Carolina. Some of them also turned up tied into the January 6th attack on the US Capitol. I recall the far right woman who was first questioned about the Moore County NC incident involving the transformers that were shot ahead of a drag event also was involved in the Loudon County protests. These are not nice people and were not "concerned Loudon parents" - they are extremists and domestic terrorists.

But people like Benny Johnson don't acknowledge any of that part of the story at all.

Are you misinformed or lying? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/loudoun-county-school-board-fires-superintendent-after-explosive-grand-jury-report/ar-AA150Vs8

To repeat, the grand jury report DOES. NOT. MAKE. THE. HORRIFIC. RIGHT. WING. DEATH. THREATS. GO. AWAY.

We've asked you to link any evidence of these horrific, terroristic threats. Statements from the school are not credible given the circumstances. Show me all the indictments for the "terrorism."

Most parents would get loud if they were publicly called liars for saying their daughter was raped, after their daughter was raped. The dad wasnt violent and laid no hands on any school official.

Btw, as we pointed out upthread, none of the kids involved were trans. None. Not one. The left introduced the concept that the parents were transphobes to rile people up.

Links were posted above, about not just Loudoun but also Prince William and other school officials being threatened, stalked and harrassed. So stop with your "not credible" BS.
As for "the left introduced the concept they were transphobes" that's utter bullshit. I saw the far right posts and memes for myself. It didn't come from "the left." Stop lying.

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Anonymous wrote:Lesson: when institutions on the left get rid of SATs, they are leveling the playing field. When Florida colleges get rid of SATs, they are under the spell of a crazed theocratic fascist.

THIS, 100%. The crazies are out in full force.

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Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

Not only that, Youngkin sent out a bat signal and got far right activists from all around the country to converge on NoVA school board meetings pretending to be local parents shrieking about everything and anything including imaginary CRT, resulting in school board members and school officials receiving horrific threats to rape and murder them and their children, burn their houses down and so on.

Calling it bad-faith is too gentle.

You are willfully ignoring what happened. Read the Grand Jury report.

The rape and how it was handled was bad, yes. But the far right also willfully ignored a lot of other aspects of the case that were out of the district's hands and made a lot of wrongful accusations, along with their far-right CRT lies and everything else. And despite the rape, NOTHING warranted those far right loons storming meetings lying and falsely pretending they were district parents, and making horrific threats to rape, torture, burn alive, murder school board members, school officials and their families. That was utterly disgusting, terroristic behavior by the far right and you may not willfully ignore that either.

This is what I remember about the parents who "stormed" the meeting.

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Can you imagine being the parent of a girl who was raped - and then being treated like this? Just disgusting. The PP is repulsive.

Stop it.

The rape is one issue. It was horrible and was badly mishandled.

BUT. The violent threats are a separate issue, absolutely NOT justified by the first. And the violent threats weren't just about the rape, since school boards in many other places around the country were also accosted by right wing extremists. The violent threats have been over CRT and every other delusional fever dream of the far right.

Okay. Go ask the FBI to investigate all those terrorist parents.

Oh wait.

The FBI was in fact called in. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-addresses-violent-threats-against-school-officials-and-teachers

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Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

Not only that, Youngkin sent out a bat signal and got far right activists from all around the country to converge on NoVA school board meetings pretending to be local parents shrieking about everything and anything including imaginary CRT, resulting in school board members and school officials receiving horrific threats to rape and murder them and their children, burn their houses down and so on.

Calling it bad-faith is too gentle.

You are willfully ignoring what happened. Read the Grand Jury report.

The rape and how it was handled was bad, yes. But the far right also willfully ignored a lot of other aspects of the case that were out of the district's hands and made a lot of wrongful accusations, along with their far-right CRT lies and everything else. And despite the rape, NOTHING warranted those far right loons storming meetings lying and falsely pretending they were district parents, and making horrific threats to rape, torture, burn alive, murder school board members, school officials and their families. That was utterly disgusting, terroristic behavior by the far right and you may not willfully ignore that either.

This is what I remember about the parents who "stormed" the meeting.

As much as I feel bad for what happened in that school, you don't report a crime by getting violent at a school board meeting. Take it up with the police. That is what the school did - they reported it to the police and followed procedure. The right wing screamed about "coverup" but the reality was that they were NOT LEGALLY ALLOWED to divulge details of what transpired. I think the rapist kid should have been expelled and arrested rather than ending up in another school but the lack of arrest is on the police, not the school. Also, I think this has less to do with being trans than it does about the rapist kid being a predator. Being trans does not somehow automatically make one a predator and rapist. He probably would have raped someone even if he wasn't trans.

And again, Loudoun school officials were getting dozens of horrific, violent threats every single day. That's horrible and unjustifiable. https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2021/10/loudoun-co-school-board-receiving-violent-threats-school-says/ The people making threats are still making threats even today, and the calls come from all over the country.

Also, I recall reading about numerous far right activists who were identified disrupting Loudoun school board meetings lying and pretending to be parents who were from as far away as North Carolina. Some of them also turned up tied into the January 6th attack on the US Capitol. I recall the far right woman who was first questioned about the Moore County NC incident involving the transformers that were shot ahead of a drag event also was involved in the Loudon County protests. These are not nice people and were not "concerned Loudon parents" - they are extremists and domestic terrorists.

But people like Benny Johnson don't acknowledge any of that part of the story at all.

Are you misinformed or lying? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/loudoun-county-school-board-fires-superintendent-after-explosive-grand-jury-report/ar-AA150Vs8

To repeat, the grand jury report DOES. NOT. MAKE. THE. HORRIFIC. RIGHT. WING. DEATH. THREATS. GO. AWAY.

We've asked you to link any evidence of these horrific, terroristic threats. Statements from the school are not credible given the circumstances. Show me all the indictments for the "terrorism."

Most parents would get loud if they were publicly called liars for saying their daughter was raped, after their daughter was raped. The dad wasnt violent and laid no hands on any school official.

Btw, as we pointed out upthread, none of the kids involved were trans. None. Not one. The left introduced the concept that the parents were transphobes to rile people up.

Links were posted above, about not just Loudoun but also Prince William and other school officials being threatened, stalked and harrassed. So stop with your "not credible" BS.
As for "the left introduced the concept they were transphobes" that's utter bullshit. I saw the far right posts and memes for myself. It didn't come from "the left." Stop lying.

Far right? I think many on the left are thinking the same thing lately.

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Anonymous wrote:Lesson: when institutions on the left get rid of SATs, they are leveling the playing field. When Florida colleges get rid of SATs, they are under the spell of a crazed theocratic fascist.

THIS, 100%. The crazies are out in full force.

Yes, and they are all from the far right, the violent threats somehow didn't happen and is all a lie.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

Not only that, Youngkin sent out a bat signal and got far right activists from all around the country to converge on NoVA school board meetings pretending to be local parents shrieking about everything and anything including imaginary CRT, resulting in school board members and school officials receiving horrific threats to rape and murder them and their children, burn their houses down and so on.

Calling it bad-faith is too gentle.

You are willfully ignoring what happened. Read the Grand Jury report.

The rape and how it was handled was bad, yes. But the far right also willfully ignored a lot of other aspects of the case that were out of the district's hands and made a lot of wrongful accusations, along with their far-right CRT lies and everything else. And despite the rape, NOTHING warranted those far right loons storming meetings lying and falsely pretending they were district parents, and making horrific threats to rape, torture, burn alive, murder school board members, school officials and their families. That was utterly disgusting, terroristic behavior by the far right and you may not willfully ignore that either.

This is what I remember about the parents who "stormed" the meeting.

As much as I feel bad for what happened in that school, you don't report a crime by getting violent at a school board meeting. Take it up with the police. That is what the school did - they reported it to the police and followed procedure. The right wing screamed about "coverup" but the reality was that they were NOT LEGALLY ALLOWED to divulge details of what transpired. I think the rapist kid should have been expelled and arrested rather than ending up in another school but the lack of arrest is on the police, not the school. Also, I think this has less to do with being trans than it does about the rapist kid being a predator. Being trans does not somehow automatically make one a predator and rapist. He probably would have raped someone even if he wasn't trans.

And again, Loudoun school officials were getting dozens of horrific, violent threats every single day. That's horrible and unjustifiable. https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2021/10/loudoun-co-school-board-receiving-violent-threats-school-says/ The people making threats are still making threats even today, and the calls come from all over the country.

Also, I recall reading about numerous far right activists who were identified disrupting Loudoun school board meetings lying and pretending to be parents who were from as far away as North Carolina. Some of them also turned up tied into the January 6th attack on the US Capitol. I recall the far right woman who was first questioned about the Moore County NC incident involving the transformers that were shot ahead of a drag event also was involved in the Loudon County protests. These are not nice people and were not "concerned Loudon parents" - they are extremists and domestic terrorists.

But people like Benny Johnson don't acknowledge any of that part of the story at all.

Links?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

Not only that, Youngkin sent out a bat signal and got far right activists from all around the country to converge on NoVA school board meetings pretending to be local parents shrieking about everything and anything including imaginary CRT, resulting in school board members and school officials receiving horrific threats to rape and murder them and their children, burn their houses down and so on.

Calling it bad-faith is too gentle.

You are willfully ignoring what happened. Read the Grand Jury report.

The rape and how it was handled was bad, yes. But the far right also willfully ignored a lot of other aspects of the case that were out of the district's hands and made a lot of wrongful accusations, along with their far-right CRT lies and everything else. And despite the rape, NOTHING warranted those far right loons storming meetings lying and falsely pretending they were district parents, and making horrific threats to rape, torture, burn alive, murder school board members, school officials and their families. That was utterly disgusting, terroristic behavior by the far right and you may not willfully ignore that either.

This is what I remember about the parents who "stormed" the meeting.

As much as I feel bad for what happened in that school, you don't report a crime by getting violent at a school board meeting. Take it up with the police. That is what the school did - they reported it to the police and followed procedure. The right wing screamed about "coverup" but the reality was that they were NOT LEGALLY ALLOWED to divulge details of what transpired. I think the rapist kid should have been expelled and arrested rather than ending up in another school but the lack of arrest is on the police, not the school. Also, I think this has less to do with being trans than it does about the rapist kid being a predator. Being trans does not somehow automatically make one a predator and rapist. He probably would have raped someone even if he wasn't trans.

And again, Loudoun school officials were getting dozens of horrific, violent threats every single day. That's horrible and unjustifiable. https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2021/10/loudoun-co-school-board-receiving-violent-threats-school-says/ The people making threats are still making threats even today, and the calls come from all over the country.

Also, I recall reading about numerous far right activists who were identified disrupting Loudoun school board meetings lying and pretending to be parents who were from as far away as North Carolina. Some of them also turned up tied into the January 6th attack on the US Capitol. I recall the far right woman who was first questioned about the Moore County NC incident involving the transformers that were shot ahead of a drag event also was involved in the Loudon County protests. These are not nice people and were not "concerned Loudon parents" - they are extremists and domestic terrorists.

But people like Benny Johnson don't acknowledge any of that part of the story at all.

Links?

Stop wasting everyone's time - you're just going to say "meh not credible" regardless of the source and continue gaslighting like the denialist liar that you are.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers should not talk to 3rd graders about sex. This shouldnt be controversial. It was common sense 5 years ago. This is why DeSantis has appeal, because you are correct, the left is terrifying when it comes to the bizarre insistence that children should learn about things like dildos and oral sex at school.

That’s just it. You erected a straw man. Third grade teachers *don’t* talk to third graders about sex. The fact that you think they do makes you either gullible or a lying liar who lies.

Then its all a non-issue and no one should be upset about the new restrictions.

Well, no, they should be teaching children about different kinds of families, etc. which has nothing to do with teaching about “sex.”

I am also against banning books. If that’s your thing, leave my country.

I dont care if my kids learn about different types of families at school. This is something they pick up just by being alive, going to peoples houses, and hanging out in their neighborhood. It doesnt require special instruction.

I am also against banning books. But I dont think that means we should buy any and all books for public school libraries. No normal person thinks we should stock public school libraries with terrorist propaganda, porn, etc. It's normal to believe age-appropriate, educational material.

I don’t care what you want. The rest of us want it. This is important. Because schools exist to educate children for what society needs, and that often means exposing them to ideas that are contrary to what their parents value. This is particularly important when the parents are bigoted, as you appear to be.

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Anonymous wrote:DeSantis/FL are not only going after AP courses, they're also looking at a "classical and Christian" alternative to the SAT.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/202...e-board-ap-sat/?lctg=136252390

No APs will be a setback for many students. They will be far behind their out-of-state peers. Also, if he goes forward with an "alternative to the SAT" that will HUGELY limit the number of colleges and universities those kids can attend.

I feel particularly bad for teenage Floridian girls right now - invasive inquiries about their menstrual cycles, severe restrictions put on their reproductive health, and now having their collegiate future stripped away from them. It's like Florida is sliding straight into a dystopian hellscape right out of the Handmaid's Tale.

You are so uninformed, pp. Find other sources. Find out what DeSantis actually said and what he wants to do.

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The blatant misinformation (lies) the PP is promoting are just gross. It's beyond even the usual hyperbole at this point. Just straight up lies that the left eats up without bothering to fact check.

You're gross and are promoting blatant misinformation (lies).

Again

DeSantis is in fact proposing getting rid of all things College Board. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/education/article272474953.html

Dual enrollment still requires a placement test (PSAT etc) and there are only three participating universities in the country doing Florida dual enrollment. And, dual enrollment only covers around 16% of graduating Florida seniors in a given year.

The gross and blatant misinformation being referenced is conveninently bolded for you. No one's arguing that DeSantis has proposed doing away with AP classes - as many public and private schools have already done. Their kids have no issues with college acceptances (but then, you know that). Their "collegiate future" has hardly been "stripped away from them."

The misinformation refers to your idiotic claim that DeSantis had anything to do with the menstrual issue - that was a state committee that didn't involve him and in fact, has not gone through.

Oh, and your "dystopian hellscape" was a nice hyperbolic touch, but pretty hackneyed among your set. Be more original.

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Anonymous wrote:Ever since Glenn Youngkin squeaked to victory on a bad-faith platform that exploited suburban fears about public schools, Republicans everywhere have been adopting the playbook. Yell about “parental rights” and attack the phantom CRT menace. Lambast “equity” programs, especially if commitments to those can be juxtaposed against changes to academic programs that are tailored to higher-achieving students like honors classes.

Obviously we all know beyond being a cynical attempt to win elections, the real agenda behind this attack on education is to dumb down the future electorate since poorly educated people tend to vote more conservative. It’s also about trying to redirect taxpayer dollars to fund public schools to for-profit companies that run charter schools and also to religious-based private schools.

In Florida, Ron DeSantis has taken it a bit further and, in the name of protesting “liberal indoctrination” at post-secondary education (something that doesn’t actually exist, like CRT being taught in grade schools, but the dumbed down and frightened electorate doesn’t grasp this) but deliberately doing things like trying to turn a public school into a bastion of right-wing, reactionary education (see what’s happening at the New College).

But this has all gone completely meta now. Even as Republicans complain that the focus on equity in K-12 is resulting in things like honors programs being emphasized, DeSantis (whose policies and rhetoric are copied as much as Youngkin’s) is planning to do with AP courses IN THEIR ENTIRETY in Florida high schools. Because they’re too woke or something.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/02/18/4-things-know-about-ron-desantis-idea-slash-ap-courses-florida/

Make it make sense.

Not only that, Youngkin sent out a bat signal and got far right activists from all around the country to converge on NoVA school board meetings pretending to be local parents shrieking about everything and anything including imaginary CRT, resulting in school board members and school officials receiving horrific threats to rape and murder them and their children, burn their houses down and so on.

Calling it bad-faith is too gentle.

You are willfully ignoring what happened. Read the Grand Jury report.

The rape and how it was handled was bad, yes. But the far right also willfully ignored a lot of other aspects of the case that were out of the district's hands and made a lot of wrongful accusations, along with their far-right CRT lies and everything else. And despite the rape, NOTHING warranted those far right loons storming meetings lying and falsely pretending they were district parents, and making horrific threats to rape, torture, burn alive, murder school board members, school officials and their families. That was utterly disgusting, terroristic behavior by the far right and you may not willfully ignore that either.

This is what I remember about the parents who "stormed" the meeting.

As much as I feel bad for what happened in that school, you don't report a crime by getting violent at a school board meeting. Take it up with the police. That is what the school did - they reported it to the police and followed procedure. The right wing screamed about "coverup" but the reality was that they were NOT LEGALLY ALLOWED to divulge details of what transpired. I think the rapist kid should have been expelled and arrested rather than ending up in another school but the lack of arrest is on the police, not the school. Also, I think this has less to do with being trans than it does about the rapist kid being a predator. Being trans does not somehow automatically make one a predator and rapist. He probably would have raped someone even if he wasn't trans.

And again, Loudoun school officials were getting dozens of horrific, violent threats every single day. That's horrible and unjustifiable. https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2021/10/loudoun-co-school-board-receiving-violent-threats-school-says/ The people making threats are still making threats even today, and the calls come from all over the country.

Also, I recall reading about numerous far right activists who were identified disrupting Loudoun school board meetings lying and pretending to be parents who were from as far away as North Carolina. Some of them also turned up tied into the January 6th attack on the US Capitol. I recall the far right woman who was first questioned about the Moore County NC incident involving the transformers that were shot ahead of a drag event also was involved in the Loudon County protests. These are not nice people and were not "concerned Loudon parents" - they are extremists and domestic terrorists.

But people like Benny Johnson don't acknowledge any of that part of the story at all.

Links?

Stop wasting everyone's time - you're just going to say "meh not credible" regardless of the source and continue gaslighting like the denialist liar that you are.

Yep did that repeatedly upthread. PP is just being a complete jerk refusing to accept the fact that her far right wing activist buddies made horrific threats.

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Anonymous wrote:DeSantis/FL are not only going after AP courses, they're also looking at a "classical and Christian" alternative to the SAT.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/202...e-board-ap-sat/?lctg=136252390

No APs will be a setback for many students. They will be far behind their out-of-state peers. Also, if he goes forward with an "alternative to the SAT" that will HUGELY limit the number of colleges and universities those kids can attend.

I feel particularly bad for teenage Floridian girls right now - invasive inquiries about their menstrual cycles, severe restrictions put on their reproductive health, and now having their collegiate future stripped away from them. It's like Florida is sliding straight into a dystopian hellscape right out of the Handmaid's Tale.

You are so uninformed, pp. Find other sources. Find out what DeSantis actually said and what he wants to do.

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The blatant misinformation (lies) the PP is promoting are just gross. It's beyond even the usual hyperbole at this point. Just straight up lies that the left eats up without bothering to fact check.

You're gross and are promoting blatant misinformation (lies).

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DeSantis is in fact proposing getting rid of all things College Board. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/education/article272474953.html

Dual enrollment still requires a placement test (PSAT etc) and there are only three participating universities in the country doing Florida dual enrollment. And, dual enrollment only covers around 16% of graduating Florida seniors in a given year.

The gross and blatant misinformation being referenced is conveninently bolded for you. No one's arguing that DeSantis has proposed doing away with AP classes - as many public and private schools have already done. Their kids have no issues with college acceptances (but then, you know that). Their "collegiate future" has hardly been "stripped away from them."

The misinformation refers to your idiotic claim that DeSantis had anything to do with the menstrual issue - that was a state committee that didn't involve him and in fact, has not gone through.

Oh, and your "dystopian hellscape" was a nice hyperbolic touch, but pretty hackneyed among your set. Be more original.

LOL yeah right - DeSantis is suddenly asserting himself to take more control of the schools after they backed down on the menstrual cycle thing..

https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2023/02/16/fhsaa-desantis-board-private-homeschool-prayer-announcements-menstrual/

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers should not talk to 3rd graders about sex. This shouldnt be controversial. It was common sense 5 years ago. This is why DeSantis has appeal, because you are correct, the left is terrifying when it comes to the bizarre insistence that children should learn about things like dildos and oral sex at school.

That’s just it. You erected a straw man. Third grade teachers *don’t* talk to third graders about sex. The fact that you think they do makes you either gullible or a lying liar who lies.

Then its all a non-issue and no one should be upset about the new restrictions.

Well, no, they should be teaching children about different kinds of families, etc. which has nothing to do with teaching about “sex.”

I am also against banning books. If that’s your thing, leave my country.

I dont care if my kids learn about different types of families at school. This is something they pick up just by being alive, going to peoples houses, and hanging out in their neighborhood. It doesnt require special instruction.

I am also against banning books. But I dont think that means we should buy any and all books for public school libraries. No normal person thinks we should stock public school libraries with terrorist propaganda, porn, etc. It's normal to believe age-appropriate, educational material.

I don’t care what you want. The rest of us want it. This is important. Because schools exist to educate children for what society needs, and that often means exposing them to ideas that are contrary to what their parents value. This is particularly important when the parents are bigoted, as you appear to be.

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You want porn and terrorist propaganda? Do you even believe what you are saying? Or, are you just babbling back and someone you disagree with?

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Reading this thread shows me that the title SHOULD be "Democrats confused over schools."