South Dakota forcing trans kids to detransition

[Anonymous]

Those who support hormones and surgeries for minors should read some posts on r/detrans. The stories of regret are compelling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those who support hormones and surgeries for minors should read some posts on r/detrans. The stories of regret are compelling.

I thought Reddit removed that sub, along with the "TERF" sub? Well, I'm glad there is still a place for open discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those who support hormones and surgeries for minors should read some posts on r/detrans. The stories of regret are compelling.

So are the ones of the families and friends of people who committed suicide, or people who had to stay closeted because they feared for their safety if they transitioned openly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those who support hormones and surgeries for minors should read some posts on r/detrans. The stories of regret are compelling.

I thought Reddit removed that sub, along with the "TERF" sub? Well, I'm glad there is still a place for open discussion.

https://terfisaslur.com/

Calling someone a TERF just means you hate women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that most of those in favor of minors having "gender-affirming" surgeries and hormonal treatment are probably also completely aghast at the idea of Wyoming's marriage law - which currently has no minimum age. In that case, you find it reprehensible that children could be married (I do too, btw). You probably also know that it's considered statutory rape if an adult engages in sex with a minor. Why? Because according to the law, minors are not capable of consenting to sex with an adult.

And yet in this instance, you're claiming that a minor - a child - should be able to decide to have life-changing SURGERY and hormone treatment. The cognitive dissonance is deafening.

Some things you know, like your gender. Some things can't wait or won't have the same results if you wait, like medical treatment. Some things should never be tolerable, like raping children. I don't see how allowing my child to have treatment for gender dysphoria after much consideration and consulting multiple doctors equates to marrying a child off and letting an adult have sex with her on a regular basis. I'm not sure why that's confusing for you either.

This is not true. The point of gender dysphoria is that gender isn't known.

Other forms of body dysphoria, fwiw, are not treated affirmatively. Anorexia, bulimia, etc. How is gender dysphoria different?

DP. This is a very interesting point that I had never considered. Anorexia and bulimia are considered dysphoria that needs to be cured.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that most of those in favor of minors having "gender-affirming" surgeries and hormonal treatment are probably also completely aghast at the idea of Wyoming's marriage law - which currently has no minimum age. In that case, you find it reprehensible that children could be married (I do too, btw). You probably also know that it's considered statutory rape if an adult engages in sex with a minor. Why? Because according to the law, minors are not capable of consenting to sex with an adult.

And yet in this instance, you're claiming that a minor - a child - should be able to decide to have life-changing SURGERY and hormone treatment. The cognitive dissonance is deafening.

You think that marriage between a 14 year old and a leering 40 year old man is the same thing as a child (who probably always presented as something other than straight, cisgendered kid) having multiple medical appointments with pediatricians, psychologists, endocrinologists etc? Huh.

Once again, you've missed the point - which is consent. Why is a child considered unable to consent in one situation, but not in another?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those who support hormones and surgeries for minors should read some posts on r/detrans. The stories of regret are compelling.

So are the ones of the families and friends of people who committed suicide, or people who had to stay closeted because they feared for their safety if they transitioned openly.

+1

Someone upthread said something sensible like perhaps there needs to be more stringent rules around this and I agree with that person.

But I also don’t trust the hateful people in the GOP to want to do anything even slightly supportive of LGBTQIA+. They don’t actually care about the children in these circumstances; if they did they wouldn’t try to turn up the anti-trans temperature with everything they do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that most of those in favor of minors having "gender-affirming" surgeries and hormonal treatment are probably also completely aghast at the idea of Wyoming's marriage law - which currently has no minimum age. In that case, you find it reprehensible that children could be married (I do too, btw). You probably also know that it's considered statutory rape if an adult engages in sex with a minor. Why? Because according to the law, minors are not capable of consenting to sex with an adult.

And yet in this instance, you're claiming that a minor - a child - should be able to decide to have life-changing SURGERY and hormone treatment. The cognitive dissonance is deafening.

You think that marriage between a 14 year old and a leering 40 year old man is the same thing as a child (who probably always presented as something other than straight, cisgendered kid) having multiple medical appointments with pediatricians, psychologists, endocrinologists etc? Huh.

Once again, you've missed the point - which is consent. Why is a child considered unable to consent in one situation, but not in another?

I don't know, maybe because they're completely different. Do you let your child choose what clothes they wear to school? Oh no, how can you do that if they're not able to get married legally? Do you let them choose what to order at restaurants? But their brains aren't fully developed!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that most of those in favor of minors having "gender-affirming" surgeries and hormonal treatment are probably also completely aghast at the idea of Wyoming's marriage law - which currently has no minimum age. In that case, you find it reprehensible that children could be married (I do too, btw). You probably also know that it's considered statutory rape if an adult engages in sex with a minor. Why? Because according to the law, minors are not capable of consenting to sex with an adult.

And yet in this instance, you're claiming that a minor - a child - should be able to decide to have life-changing SURGERY and hormone treatment. The cognitive dissonance is deafening.

Some things you know, like your gender. Some things can't wait or won't have the same results if you wait, like medical treatment. Some things should never be tolerable, like raping children. I don't see how allowing my child to have treatment for gender dysphoria after much consideration and consulting multiple doctors equates to marrying a child off and letting an adult have sex with her on a regular basis. I'm not sure why that's confusing for you either.

This is not true. The point of gender dysphoria is that gender isn't known.

Other forms of body dysphoria, fwiw, are not treated affirmatively. Anorexia, bulimia, etc. How is gender dysphoria different?

DP. This is a very interesting point that I had never considered. Anorexia and bulimia are considered dysphoria that needs to be cured.

It's not that interesting. If someone changes gender, they won't starve to death. I wonder why we handle them differently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that most of those in favor of minors having "gender-affirming" surgeries and hormonal treatment are probably also completely aghast at the idea of Wyoming's marriage law - which currently has no minimum age. In that case, you find it reprehensible that children could be married (I do too, btw). You probably also know that it's considered statutory rape if an adult engages in sex with a minor. Why? Because according to the law, minors are not capable of consenting to sex with an adult.

And yet in this instance, you're claiming that a minor - a child - should be able to decide to have life-changing SURGERY and hormone treatment. The cognitive dissonance is deafening.

You think that marriage between a 14 year old and a leering 40 year old man is the same thing as a child (who probably always presented as something other than straight, cisgendered kid) having multiple medical appointments with pediatricians, psychologists, endocrinologists etc? Huh.

Once again, you've missed the point - which is consent. Why is a child considered unable to consent in one situation, but not in another?

I don't know, maybe because they're completely different. Do you let your child choose what clothes they wear to school? Oh no, how can you do that if they're not able to get married legally? Do you let them choose what to order at restaurants? But their brains aren't fully developed!

And now it's you comparing apples to oranges. Choosing an outfit or ordering at a restaurant is somehow akin to major, life-altering surgery?

[Anonymous]

I've seen my friends' kids use neo-pronouns and change them as the years go by. Like...fairy-gendered. Seriously. One neo-pronouned kid has gone back to the original she/her as an adult.

Kids should not be transitioning. It's toxic and dangerous...and unlike pronouns, irreversible. And many of these kids ARE being influenced by peer pressure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those who support hormones and surgeries for minors should read some posts on r/detrans. The stories of regret are compelling.

So are the ones of the families and friends of people who committed suicide, or people who had to stay closeted because they feared for their safety if they transitioned openly.

+1

Someone upthread said something sensible like perhaps there needs to be more stringent rules around this and I agree with that person.

But I also don’t trust the hateful people in the GOP to want to do anything even slightly supportive of LGBTQIA+. They don’t actually care about the children in these circumstances; if they did they wouldn’t try to turn up the anti-trans temperature with everything they do.

You are missing the huge numbers of traditionally left-leaning people deeply concerned about what is happening to young people in gender clinics today. This whistle blower, herself married to a transman, who couldn’t take it anymore and left her job at a gender clinic and is now speaking out. This isn’t and shouldn’t be a left-right issue. https://www.thefp.com/p/i-thought-i-was-saving-trans-kids

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that most of those in favor of minors having "gender-affirming" surgeries and hormonal treatment are probably also completely aghast at the idea of Wyoming's marriage law - which currently has no minimum age. In that case, you find it reprehensible that children could be married (I do too, btw). You probably also know that it's considered statutory rape if an adult engages in sex with a minor. Why? Because according to the law, minors are not capable of consenting to sex with an adult.

And yet in this instance, you're claiming that a minor - a child - should be able to decide to have life-changing SURGERY and hormone treatment. The cognitive dissonance is deafening.

Some things you know, like your gender. Some things can't wait or won't have the same results if you wait, like medical treatment. Some things should never be tolerable, like raping children. I don't see how allowing my child to have treatment for gender dysphoria after much consideration and consulting multiple doctors equates to marrying a child off and letting an adult have sex with her on a regular basis. I'm not sure why that's confusing for you either.

This is not true. The point of gender dysphoria is that gender isn't known.

Other forms of body dysphoria, fwiw, are not treated affirmatively. Anorexia, bulimia, etc. How is gender dysphoria different?

DP. This is a very interesting point that I had never considered. Anorexia and bulimia are considered dysphoria that needs to be cured.

It's not that interesting. If someone changes gender, they won't starve to death. I wonder why we handle them differently.

They will lose their ability to reproduce, to sound like their normal selves, to have orgasms, to have a life free of joint pain or free of atrophying organs. You think children can consent to these things?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that most of those in favor of minors having "gender-affirming" surgeries and hormonal treatment are probably also completely aghast at the idea of Wyoming's marriage law - which currently has no minimum age. In that case, you find it reprehensible that children could be married (I do too, btw). You probably also know that it's considered statutory rape if an adult engages in sex with a minor. Why? Because according to the law, minors are not capable of consenting to sex with an adult.

And yet in this instance, you're claiming that a minor - a child - should be able to decide to have life-changing SURGERY and hormone treatment. The cognitive dissonance is deafening.

You think that marriage between a 14 year old and a leering 40 year old man is the same thing as a child (who probably always presented as something other than straight, cisgendered kid) having multiple medical appointments with pediatricians, psychologists, endocrinologists etc? Huh.

Once again, you've missed the point - which is consent. Why is a child considered unable to consent in one situation, but not in another?

I don't know, maybe because they're completely different. Do you let your child choose what clothes they wear to school? Oh no, how can you do that if they're not able to get married legally? Do you let them choose what to order at restaurants? But their brains aren't fully developed!

Hormones and surgery cause permanent changes.

[Anonymous]

Many of us who are raising questions about teen medical transition are liberals. Like the St. Louis woman in the article that was linked in this thread, we are well-meaning allies who have seen cult groupthink replace honest self-exploration. Stop straw-manning and making us out to be Trumpers. I read "woke" in any Internet data collection's algorithm.