AAP for dummies

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

The backdoor into AAP has been a well-kept secret despite being fairly common.

Your unhinged delusional perspective is noted, now will you finally go away?

Just because you don't like to admit the truth doesn't make it any less true. This is a matter of fact. Everyone knows it's going on. It's just that some would prefer to keep it secret. Maybe because they're embarrassed that their kids couldn't get in the front door or maybe because they want to keep this available to anyone with means. I don't know or care really but I feel it's only fair to point this out.

Whether your "super-secret-but-everyone-is-doing-it" backdoor is real or not, you convinced the school administration that it is and they are no longer doing it. You can buy as many WISCs as you want but you still won't get your kid in that way anymore.

It's not a question if it's real or not, half the kids get in this way. Not sure why pretending is helping anyone.

By your logic, half the kids are admitted on appeal. That is unequivocally untrue. Your claims are absurd and your jealously is sad. Please get help.

There's really no shame in this. It's very common.

It obviously didn't work for you.

My older child got in the old fashioned way but younger kid had to use the backdoor. It only took 2 appeals.

Do you feel shame?

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Anonymous wrote:How common is it to add Level IV students in later grades? We are happy with our private school that ends in 5th, but would push for AAP earlier if it's tough to get in after elementary. We had separate testing done for privates and kid qualified for DYS so I would hope acceptance wouldn't be an issue.

If you have the means and patience to navigate the process, it shouldn't be a problem.

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When we moved here, we were told by colleagues/neighbors that in FCPS AAP is the normal track and Gen Ed is the slow track. Also, we were told to do whatever it took to put our DC into AAP when the time came.

I have no idea if that is really true, but that belief seems fairly widespread.

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Anonymous wrote:When we moved here, we were told by colleagues/neighbors that in FCPS AAP is the normal track and Gen Ed is the slow track. Also, we were told to do whatever it took to put our DC into AAP when the time came.

I have no idea if that is really true, but that belief seems fairly widespread.

Well fast and slow are relative, but for bright, hardworking children with similar parents, Gen Ed is definitely not challenging

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Anonymous wrote:When we moved here, we were told by colleagues/neighbors that in FCPS AAP is the normal track and Gen Ed is the slow track. Also, we were told to do whatever it took to put our DC into AAP when the time came.

I have no idea if that is really true, but that belief seems fairly widespread.

Most UMC families have the resources to get their kids into AAP whereas low-income families often aren't even aware of these programs. This isn't really fast and slow but more like rich vs poor.

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Anonymous wrote:When we moved here, we were told by colleagues/neighbors that in FCPS AAP is the normal track and Gen Ed is the slow track. Also, we were told to do whatever it took to put our DC into AAP when the time came.

I have no idea if that is really true, but that belief seems fairly widespread.

Most UMC families have the resources to get their kids into AAP whereas low-income families often aren't even aware of these programs. This isn't really fast and slow but more like rich vs poor.

But not in places like McLean. Everyone is UMC and still probably only 1/4 are in AAP.

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Anonymous wrote:When we moved here, we were told by colleagues/neighbors that in FCPS AAP is the normal track and Gen Ed is the slow track. Also, we were told to do whatever it took to put our DC into AAP when the time came.

I have no idea if that is really true, but that belief seems fairly widespread.

We weren't told that. We were told that FCPS has a good gifted program.

From our neighbors, I've heard a lot of support for the not-fast gen ed - people don't want their elementary school kids stressed. Not everyone wants the same thing.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

The backdoor into AAP has been a well-kept secret despite being fairly common.

Your unhinged delusional perspective is noted, now will you finally go away?

Just because you don't like to admit the truth doesn't make it any less true. This is a matter of fact. Everyone knows it's going on. It's just that some would prefer to keep it secret. Maybe because they're embarrassed that their kids couldn't get in the front door or maybe because they want to keep this available to anyone with means. I don't know or care really but I feel it's only fair to point this out.

Whether your "super-secret-but-everyone-is-doing-it" backdoor is real or not, you convinced the school administration that it is and they are no longer doing it. You can buy as many WISCs as you want but you still won't get your kid in that way anymore.

It's not a question if it's real or not, half the kids get in this way. Not sure why pretending is helping anyone.

By your logic, half the kids are admitted on appeal. That is unequivocally untrue. Your claims are absurd and your jealously is sad. Please get help.

There's really no shame in this. It's very common.

It obviously didn't work for you.

My older child got in the old fashioned way but younger kid had to use the backdoor. It only took 2 appeals.

Do you feel shame?

Not really since it's so common these days.

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Anonymous wrote:When we moved here, we were told by colleagues/neighbors that in FCPS AAP is the normal track and Gen Ed is the slow track. Also, we were told to do whatever it took to put our DC into AAP when the time came.

I have no idea if that is really true, but that belief seems fairly widespread.

Most UMC families have the resources to get their kids into AAP whereas low-income families often aren't even aware of these programs. This isn't really fast and slow but more like rich vs poor.

But not in places like McLean. Everyone is UMC and still probably only 1/4 are in AAP.

UMC people live everywhere. It may be more common in McLean but is hardly unique.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

The backdoor into AAP has been a well-kept secret despite being fairly common.

Your unhinged delusional perspective is noted, now will you finally go away?

Just because you don't like to admit the truth doesn't make it any less true. This is a matter of fact. Everyone knows it's going on. It's just that some would prefer to keep it secret. Maybe because they're embarrassed that their kids couldn't get in the front door or maybe because they want to keep this available to anyone with means. I don't know or care really but I feel it's only fair to point this out.

Whether your "super-secret-but-everyone-is-doing-it" backdoor is real or not, you convinced the school administration that it is and they are no longer doing it. You can buy as many WISCs as you want but you still won't get your kid in that way anymore.

It's not a question if it's real or not, half the kids get in this way. Not sure why pretending is helping anyone.

By your logic, half the kids are admitted on appeal. That is unequivocally untrue. Your claims are absurd and your jealously is sad. Please get help.

There's really no shame in this. It's very common.

It obviously didn't work for you.

My older child got in the old fashioned way but younger kid had to use the backdoor. It only took 2 appeals.

Do you feel shame?

Not really since it's so common these days.

Almost every parent I've gotten to know at our AAP center has admitted they're kid got in on appeal so I tend to agree.

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Interesting.

We got in-pool twice and I know of two families who have not gotten in this year. And one from a couple of years ago also didn’t get accepted (but he was difficult.)

It looks like this year there is a widespread crackdown on people who are appealing. From what I can tell- they are not pupil placing and they are no longer taking kids who have behavioral issues in the AAP classes.

It seems to me that if you aren’t in pool now, from the get go, the “backdoor” issues are being addressed by teachers that don’t want kids that are hard to teach in AAP. Which, in all honesty, good for them!

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Anonymous wrote:When we moved here, we were told by colleagues/neighbors that in FCPS AAP is the normal track and Gen Ed is the slow track. Also, we were told to do whatever it took to put our DC into AAP when the time came.

I have no idea if that is really true, but that belief seems fairly widespread.

It’s kinda funny, I thought that way for a long time and then I compared MoCo stuff with what our kids learn here: nope. Gen Ed is just Gen Ed and AAP is just faster by like a year.

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The biggest difference is the accelerated math program. However, in FCPS, all students must have access to advanced math. DS was GE in a center school but was advanced in math so he pushed into the AAP class for math. GE students can asked to be tested. If they are strong in math they can ask the school to provide access to advanced math.

In DS’s school, they tested all the kids in math and leveled them into classes by the results. DS was in the second highest group (out of seven). He was receiving higher level math than most of the kids in the full time AAP class.

As far as overall results, smart motivated students will do well regardless of AAP. DS was accepted to multiple top 10 engineering programs for college. The same or better than the students who were in the full time AAP classes. I can’t believe parents get so worked up about the AAP classes.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

The backdoor into AAP has been a well-kept secret despite being fairly common.

Your unhinged delusional perspective is noted, now will you finally go away?

Just because you don't like to admit the truth doesn't make it any less true. This is a matter of fact. Everyone knows it's going on. It's just that some would prefer to keep it secret. Maybe because they're embarrassed that their kids couldn't get in the front door or maybe because they want to keep this available to anyone with means. I don't know or care really but I feel it's only fair to point this out.

Whether your "super-secret-but-everyone-is-doing-it" backdoor is real or not, you convinced the school administration that it is and they are no longer doing it. You can buy as many WISCs as you want but you still won't get your kid in that way anymore.

It's not a question if it's real or not, half the kids get in this way. Not sure why pretending is helping anyone.

By your logic, half the kids are admitted on appeal. That is unequivocally untrue. Your claims are absurd and your jealously is sad. Please get help.

There's really no shame in this. It's very common.

It obviously didn't work for you.

My older child got in the old fashioned way but younger kid had to use the backdoor. It only took 2 appeals.

Do you feel shame?

Not really since it's so common these days.

Almost every parent I've gotten to know at our AAP center has admitted they're kid got in on appeal so I tend to agree.

If parents want a more demanding program, I don't see why FCPS shouldn't offer a more demanding curriculum for those who want it.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

The backdoor into AAP has been a well-kept secret despite being fairly common.

Your unhinged delusional perspective is noted, now will you finally go away?

Just because you don't like to admit the truth doesn't make it any less true. This is a matter of fact. Everyone knows it's going on. It's just that some would prefer to keep it secret. Maybe because they're embarrassed that their kids couldn't get in the front door or maybe because they want to keep this available to anyone with means. I don't know or care really but I feel it's only fair to point this out.

Whether your "super-secret-but-everyone-is-doing-it" backdoor is real or not, you convinced the school administration that it is and they are no longer doing it. You can buy as many WISCs as you want but you still won't get your kid in that way anymore.

It's not a question if it's real or not, half the kids get in this way. Not sure why pretending is helping anyone.

By your logic, half the kids are admitted on appeal. That is unequivocally untrue. Your claims are absurd and your jealously is sad. Please get help.

There's really no shame in this. It's very common.

It obviously didn't work for you.

My older child got in the old fashioned way but younger kid had to use the backdoor. It only took 2 appeals.

Do you feel shame?

Not really since it's so common these days.

Almost every parent I've gotten to know at our AAP center has admitted they're kid got in on appeal so I tend to agree.

If parents want a more demanding program, I don't see why FCPS shouldn't offer a more demanding curriculum for those who want it.

Because parents overestimate what their kids can handle. That's why the GBRS plays a huge role in AAP admission. Teachers are objective, parents can't be.