AAP for dummies

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Anonymous wrote:Way up thread there was mention of LC’s new gifted program. If you’re inclined, Fauquier also has one that’s pretty rad.

What is new about it?

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Anonymous wrote:What is a gifted ‘diagnosis’? Is it a disease? Or are you talking about an attention deficit diagnosis to be 2E? I can’t get past the high level of snark to even understand what you’re being snarky about…

It's when you pay a psychologist to test your child until you get the desired diagnosis. This allows you to appeal with evidence stating your child is in fact gifted so they will be admitted to AAP even though they weren't able to get in the front door.

I find your back door comments insensitive. My child had 160 NNAT and 143 COGAT, in pool for AAP. Currently in 2nd grade. She had a full academic/neuro evaluation in December after being on the waiting list for 1+ year. Yes, she is 2e, she has 136 IQ, ADHD and dyslexia. I didn’t buy this diagnosis, it is very real. I see the struggles every day, but doesn’t mean she is not deserving of an AAP education. I don’t know if she is in, but you bet I will be appealing if she doesn’t. Is that a back door? Her tests scores say otherwise. Who are you to say these kids are not deserving because they got accepted on appeal?

Ignore the poster who claims everyone gets in via some mythological purchased diagnosis. He's unhinged.

I know! Almost half the kids in our center got in the old-fashioned way and didn't need use the backdoor!

I'm just intrigued at the psychology behind *why* you are so invested on repeatedly trolling multiple threads with the same nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:What is a gifted ‘diagnosis’? Is it a disease? Or are you talking about an attention deficit diagnosis to be 2E? I can’t get past the high level of snark to even understand what you’re being snarky about…

It's when you pay a psychologist to test your child until you get the desired diagnosis. This allows you to appeal with evidence stating your child is in fact gifted so they will be admitted to AAP even though they weren't able to get in the front door.

I find your back door comments insensitive. My child had 160 NNAT and 143 COGAT, in pool for AAP. Currently in 2nd grade. She had a full academic/neuro evaluation in December after being on the waiting list for 1+ year. Yes, she is 2e, she has 136 IQ, ADHD and dyslexia. I didn’t buy this diagnosis, it is very real. I see the struggles every day, but doesn’t mean she is not deserving of an AAP education. I don’t know if she is in, but you bet I will be appealing if she doesn’t. Is that a back door? Her tests scores say otherwise. Who are you to say these kids are not deserving because they got accepted on appeal?

Ignore the poster who claims everyone gets in via some mythological purchased diagnosis. He's unhinged.

I know! Almost half the kids in our center got in the old-fashioned way and didn't need use the backdoor!

I'm just intrigued at the psychology behind *why* you are so invested on repeatedly trolling multiple threads with the same nonsense.

I get the impression they're telling it like it is. Sure, some people would rather hide the backdoor but the cat's out of the bag.

[Anonymous]

NP here - at the risk of starting a fight, how advanced is AAP really? Does it meet the needs of kids who are multiple grade levels ahead, or are there kids who are still bored in AAP?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP here - at the risk of starting a fight, how advanced is AAP really? Does it meet the needs of kids who are multiple grade levels ahead, or are there kids who are still bored in AAP?

It's what was considered gen ed a few decades ago. Math ends up one year advanced

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Anonymous wrote:What is a gifted ‘diagnosis’? Is it a disease? Or are you talking about an attention deficit diagnosis to be 2E? I can’t get past the high level of snark to even understand what you’re being snarky about…

It's when you pay a psychologist to test your child until you get the desired diagnosis. This allows you to appeal with evidence stating your child is in fact gifted so they will be admitted to AAP even though they weren't able to get in the front door.

I find your back door comments insensitive. My child had 160 NNAT and 143 COGAT, in pool for AAP. Currently in 2nd grade. She had a full academic/neuro evaluation in December after being on the waiting list for 1+ year. Yes, she is 2e, she has 136 IQ, ADHD and dyslexia. I didn’t buy this diagnosis, it is very real. I see the struggles every day, but doesn’t mean she is not deserving of an AAP education. I don’t know if she is in, but you bet I will be appealing if she doesn’t. Is that a back door? Her tests scores say otherwise. Who are you to say these kids are not deserving because they got accepted on appeal?

Ignore the poster who claims everyone gets in via some mythological purchased diagnosis. He's unhinged.

I know! Almost half the kids in our center got in the old-fashioned way and didn't need use the backdoor!

I'm just intrigued at the psychology behind *why* you are so invested on repeatedly trolling multiple threads with the same nonsense.

I get the impression they're telling it like it is. Sure, some people would rather hide the backdoor but the cat's out of the bag.

Not anymore. Legit or not, the school district no longer allows it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP here - at the risk of starting a fight, how advanced is AAP really? Does it meet the needs of kids who are multiple grade levels ahead, or are there kids who are still bored in AAP?

It depends on the center school or local level IV program. Some are rigorous, some are less so.

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Anonymous wrote:What is a gifted ‘diagnosis’? Is it a disease? Or are you talking about an attention deficit diagnosis to be 2E? I can’t get past the high level of snark to even understand what you’re being snarky about…

It's when you pay a psychologist to test your child until you get the desired diagnosis. This allows you to appeal with evidence stating your child is in fact gifted so they will be admitted to AAP even though they weren't able to get in the front door.

I find your back door comments insensitive. My child had 160 NNAT and 143 COGAT, in pool for AAP. Currently in 2nd grade. She had a full academic/neuro evaluation in December after being on the waiting list for 1+ year. Yes, she is 2e, she has 136 IQ, ADHD and dyslexia. I didn’t buy this diagnosis, it is very real. I see the struggles every day, but doesn’t mean she is not deserving of an AAP education. I don’t know if she is in, but you bet I will be appealing if she doesn’t. Is that a back door? Her tests scores say otherwise. Who are you to say these kids are not deserving because they got accepted on appeal?

Ignore the poster who claims everyone gets in via some mythological purchased diagnosis. He's unhinged.

I know! Almost half the kids in our center got in the old-fashioned way and didn't need use the backdoor!

I'm just intrigued at the psychology behind *why* you are so invested on repeatedly trolling multiple threads with the same nonsense.

I get the impression they're telling it like it is. Sure, some people would rather hide the backdoor but the cat's out of the bag.

Not anymore. Legit or not, the school district no longer allows it.

The only changes put an end to the widespread cheating on the TJ exam. There haven't been any reforms with AAP admission. It's the same as ever.

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Anonymous wrote:What is a gifted ‘diagnosis’? Is it a disease? Or are you talking about an attention deficit diagnosis to be 2E? I can’t get past the high level of snark to even understand what you’re being snarky about…

It's when you pay a psychologist to test your child until you get the desired diagnosis. This allows you to appeal with evidence stating your child is in fact gifted so they will be admitted to AAP even though they weren't able to get in the front door.

I find your back door comments insensitive. My child had 160 NNAT and 143 COGAT, in pool for AAP. Currently in 2nd grade. She had a full academic/neuro evaluation in December after being on the waiting list for 1+ year. Yes, she is 2e, she has 136 IQ, ADHD and dyslexia. I didn’t buy this diagnosis, it is very real. I see the struggles every day, but doesn’t mean she is not deserving of an AAP education. I don’t know if she is in, but you bet I will be appealing if she doesn’t. Is that a back door? Her tests scores say otherwise. Who are you to say these kids are not deserving because they got accepted on appeal?

Ignore the poster who claims everyone gets in via some mythological purchased diagnosis. He's unhinged.

I know! Almost half the kids in our center got in the old-fashioned way and didn't need use the backdoor!

I'm just intrigued at the psychology behind *why* you are so invested on repeatedly trolling multiple threads with the same nonsense.

I get the impression they're telling it like it is. Sure, some people would rather hide the backdoor but the cat's out of the bag.

Not anymore. Legit or not, the school district no longer allows it.

The only changes put an end to the widespread cheating on the TJ exam. There haven't been any reforms with AAP admission. It's the same as ever.

It's very different. The pool is all local, Cogat and NNAT are no longer important, WISC is disregarded. The "backdoor" is gone.

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Is it the case at most schools that math is only one grade level advanced??

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Anonymous wrote:Is it the case at most schools that math is only one grade level advanced??

Yes, one grade level advanced in elementary school and one or two grade levels advanced in middle school (algebra 1 in 7th or 8th grade, leading to calculus in 11th or 12th grade). A very small number of students are further advanced (algebra in 6th or earlier) depending on test scores, principal, and other factors.

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Anonymous wrote:What is a gifted ‘diagnosis’? Is it a disease? Or are you talking about an attention deficit diagnosis to be 2E? I can’t get past the high level of snark to even understand what you’re being snarky about…

It's when you pay a psychologist to test your child until you get the desired diagnosis. This allows you to appeal with evidence stating your child is in fact gifted so they will be admitted to AAP even though they weren't able to get in the front door.

I find your back door comments insensitive. My child had 160 NNAT and 143 COGAT, in pool for AAP. Currently in 2nd grade. She had a full academic/neuro evaluation in December after being on the waiting list for 1+ year. Yes, she is 2e, she has 136 IQ, ADHD and dyslexia. I didn’t buy this diagnosis, it is very real. I see the struggles every day, but doesn’t mean she is not deserving of an AAP education. I don’t know if she is in, but you bet I will be appealing if she doesn’t. Is that a back door? Her tests scores say otherwise. Who are you to say these kids are not deserving because they got accepted on appeal?

Ignore the poster who claims everyone gets in via some mythological purchased diagnosis. He's unhinged.

I know! Almost half the kids in our center got in the old-fashioned way and didn't need use the backdoor!

I'm just intrigued at the psychology behind *why* you are so invested on repeatedly trolling multiple threads with the same nonsense.

I get the impression they're telling it like it is. Sure, some people would rather hide the backdoor but the cat's out of the bag.

Not anymore. Legit or not, the school district no longer allows it.

The only changes put an end to the widespread cheating on the TJ exam. There haven't been any reforms with AAP admission. It's the same as ever.

It's very different. The pool is all local, Cogat and NNAT are no longer important, WISC is disregarded. The "backdoor" is gone.

So you're saying because it's local the Cogat and NNAT scores are less important? They are still used so getting a higher score would help your ranking in the pool correct?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is it the case at most schools that math is only one grade level advanced??

Yes, one grade level advanced in elementary school and one or two grade levels advanced in middle school (algebra 1 in 7th or 8th grade, leading to calculus in 11th or 12th grade). A very small number of students are further advanced (algebra in 6th or earlier) depending on test scores, principal, and other factors.

Where we live (not FCPS), it doesn't matter how advanced you are in 6th. You had to have either gone to one of the wealthier ES that offers pre-algebra in 5th or one of the MS that offers algebra in 6th. These all happen to be in the most affluent areas, so if you don't live there, it just isn't an option.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP here - at the risk of starting a fight, how advanced is AAP really? Does it meet the needs of kids who are multiple grade levels ahead, or are there kids who are still bored in AAP?

A good center or a very strong teacher might be able to meet the needs of kids who are multiple grade levels ahead. The program in and of itself is only one grade level ahead. Kids who are multiple grade levels ahead will likely be bored in AAP if they have a pretty average teacher who can't/won't differentiate upward for them.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here - at the risk of starting a fight, how advanced is AAP really? Does it meet the needs of kids who are multiple grade levels ahead, or are there kids who are still bored in AAP?

A good center or a very strong teacher might be able to meet the needs of kids who are multiple grade levels ahead. The program in and of itself is only one grade level ahead. Kids who are multiple grade levels ahead will likely be bored in AAP if they have a pretty average teacher who can't/won't differentiate upward for them.

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