AAP for dummies

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ADHD diagnosis + high WISC is still not a guarantee of AAP admissions on appeal. They look holistically at the packet. If the GBRS + commentary, work samples, and achievement level of the child do not indicate that the child would do well in AAP with proper SN supports, then the child won't be admitted. It's not a golden ticket.

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I’ve posted this before but the schools really need to have a third rail for above average / bright students. It’s not fair for those kids to be stuck in class with kids who need additional assistance or disruptive kids. This is why so many parents prep to get their kids into AAP even if they aren’t AAP material and I don’t blame them. Meanwhile, the kids who are exceptionally bright are bored and find the AAP work very easy.

Brace yourself for high school where there is very little differentiation. There is no gatekeeping for honors classes, unfortunately.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve posted this before but the schools really need to have a third rail for above average / bright students. It’s not fair for those kids to be stuck in class with kids who need additional assistance or disruptive kids. This is why so many parents prep to get their kids into AAP even if they aren’t AAP material and I don’t blame them. Meanwhile, the kids who are exceptionally bright are bored and find the AAP work very easy.

Brace yourself for high school where there is very little differentiation. There is no gatekeeping for honors classes, unfortunately.

I agree with you but then there is the aspect that the third rail would keep the second rail down, etc.

Some time ago someone posted a “science keeps aap” thread which exploded and devolved but there is the argument that doing this is really just Prohibits kids from ever actually getting better at school. And it’s one big vicious circle after that.

My personal view is that all of this is moot. Fairfax county is getting so prohibitively expensive that this kind of backdoor mythos will end soon enough. I think what we will see more of is the AAP is being selected for kids that are well behaved and engaged but maybe not these bright superstars that have an IEP or something. And we are seeing that with the complaints on this board of how GBRS drives AAP pool decisions now.

Currently we are in a school where the principal has decided not to pupil place kids into AAP this year and I have had two parents ask me how my kid got into the AAP class. I really don’t know other than her quant score was 135 and she was nice to the teacher. But I know the teacher is happy with the class and my kid is learning a lot this year and things feel almost pre-Covid normal. So I really hope AAP stays. I suspect it won’t though.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

Good lord you show up on every single thread and I truly don’t understand your motivation in posting this nonsense. I have a kid who got in unprepped, first round, at a high SES school w no diagnosis and I don’t see any peers who got in on appeal as less than. Your comments are offensive to 2E kids. Additional testing/diagnosis is not a backdoor.

NP, that's exactly what it is when it is limited to a subset with the knowledge and means to get the diagnosis.

You are leaving out "and actually have an LD or ADHD or disability that is diagnosed by a professional through testing."

Sure, but getting a 2E diagnosis requires knowledge and resources.

Not really. Parents can request that the school evaluate their child if the parents are concerned about possible learning issues or ADHD or any type of issue. They contact the school requesting an evaluation. The school has a certain amount of time to call a meeting to discuss the parents concern and then to conduct testing.

The process at the school can be time consuming and may not find that there is an issue. Some parents prefer to use private screenings because they provide more direct information to the parents and the parents don't trust the school to conduct the proper testing because the school may not want to provide services for the child. That said, if parents bring a private evaluation to the table, the school will still require that the child be tested by the school. If there are different results then an IEP meeting can be very interesting.

ADHD can actually be diagnosed by a Pediatrician and doesn't require specialized testing. Many parents start with their Pediatrician and may move to a specialist dependent on their kids needs.

But any parent can request their child be evaluated and kick off the process. Our son was tested by the school and ended up with an IEP. We didn't use any type of private resources.

A WiSC, because you want your child to be admitted to AAP, is not something that you can request through the school. That is totally separate from the process of diagnosing a learning issue.

In theory that's true but it's typically easier said than done. More often than not you will have a long uphill battle to get them to do anything.

Agreed but the idea that the only people being diagnosed with LDs or ADHD or the like are Rich White people is wrong. And the idea that simply going to a Psychiatrist/Psychologist/Pediatrician for a diagnosis that will get a kid into AAP as 2E is wrong. Pediatricians do not automatically give out ADHD diagnoses. Psychologists/Psychiatrists complete testing and use teacher data to determine if there are learning issues. There are not automatic diagnoses.

It is true that people with more money are more able to be able to afford private testing to identify a problem but that does not automatically translate to an IEP at a school or admission into AAP.

Essentially, there is no easy backdoor.

My neighbor got a diagnosis for their kid so they could get extra time on their SATs. I just don't find this all that credible.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

The backdoor into AAP has been a well-kept secret despite being fairly common.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

The backdoor into AAP has been a well-kept secret despite being fairly common.

Your unhinged delusional perspective is noted, now will you finally go away?

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

The backdoor into AAP has been a well-kept secret despite being fairly common.

Your unhinged delusional perspective is noted, now will you finally go away?

Just because you don't like to admit the truth doesn't make it any less true. This is a matter of fact. Everyone knows it's going on. It's just that some would prefer to keep it secret. Maybe because they're embarrassed that their kids couldn't get in the front door or maybe because they want to keep this available to anyone with means. I don't know or care really but I feel it's only fair to point this out.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

The backdoor into AAP has been a well-kept secret despite being fairly common.

Your unhinged delusional perspective is noted, now will you finally go away?

Just because you don't like to admit the truth doesn't make it any less true. This is a matter of fact. Everyone knows it's going on. It's just that some would prefer to keep it secret. Maybe because they're embarrassed that their kids couldn't get in the front door or maybe because they want to keep this available to anyone with means. I don't know or care really but I feel it's only fair to point this out.

Whether your "super-secret-but-everyone-is-doing-it" backdoor is real or not, you convinced the school administration that it is and they are no longer doing it. You can buy as many WISCs as you want but you still won't get your kid in that way anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

The backdoor into AAP has been a well-kept secret despite being fairly common.

Your unhinged delusional perspective is noted, now will you finally go away?

Just because you don't like to admit the truth doesn't make it any less true. This is a matter of fact. Everyone knows it's going on. It's just that some would prefer to keep it secret. Maybe because they're embarrassed that their kids couldn't get in the front door or maybe because they want to keep this available to anyone with means. I don't know or care really but I feel it's only fair to point this out.

Whether your "super-secret-but-everyone-is-doing-it" backdoor is real or not, you convinced the school administration that it is and they are no longer doing it. You can buy as many WISCs as you want but you still won't get your kid in that way anymore.

DP here.

One of my friends actually went through “the process” and didn’t get her kid in. I think principals are being extra stringent on this now because they are getting feedback that the classes aren’t moving as fast as they should be.

Hence the lack of pupil placement this year in our school.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

The backdoor into AAP has been a well-kept secret despite being fairly common.

Your unhinged delusional perspective is noted, now will you finally go away?

Just because you don't like to admit the truth doesn't make it any less true. This is a matter of fact. Everyone knows it's going on. It's just that some would prefer to keep it secret. Maybe because they're embarrassed that their kids couldn't get in the front door or maybe because they want to keep this available to anyone with means. I don't know or care really but I feel it's only fair to point this out.

Whether your "super-secret-but-everyone-is-doing-it" backdoor is real or not, you convinced the school administration that it is and they are no longer doing it. You can buy as many WISCs as you want but you still won't get your kid in that way anymore.

It's not a question if it's real or not, half the kids get in this way. Not sure why pretending is helping anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

The backdoor into AAP has been a well-kept secret despite being fairly common.

Your unhinged delusional perspective is noted, now will you finally go away?

Just because you don't like to admit the truth doesn't make it any less true. This is a matter of fact. Everyone knows it's going on. It's just that some would prefer to keep it secret. Maybe because they're embarrassed that their kids couldn't get in the front door or maybe because they want to keep this available to anyone with means. I don't know or care really but I feel it's only fair to point this out.

Whether your "super-secret-but-everyone-is-doing-it" backdoor is real or not, you convinced the school administration that it is and they are no longer doing it. You can buy as many WISCs as you want but you still won't get your kid in that way anymore.

It's not a question if it's real or not, half the kids get in this way. Not sure why pretending is helping anyone.

By your logic, half the kids are admitted on appeal. That is unequivocally untrue. Your claims are absurd and your jealously is sad. Please get help.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

The backdoor into AAP has been a well-kept secret despite being fairly common.

Your unhinged delusional perspective is noted, now will you finally go away?

Just because you don't like to admit the truth doesn't make it any less true. This is a matter of fact. Everyone knows it's going on. It's just that some would prefer to keep it secret. Maybe because they're embarrassed that their kids couldn't get in the front door or maybe because they want to keep this available to anyone with means. I don't know or care really but I feel it's only fair to point this out.

Whether your "super-secret-but-everyone-is-doing-it" backdoor is real or not, you convinced the school administration that it is and they are no longer doing it. You can buy as many WISCs as you want but you still won't get your kid in that way anymore.

It's not a question if it's real or not, half the kids get in this way. Not sure why pretending is helping anyone.

By your logic, half the kids are admitted on appeal. That is unequivocally untrue. Your claims are absurd and your jealously is sad. Please get help.

There's really no shame in this. It's very common.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

The backdoor into AAP has been a well-kept secret despite being fairly common.

Your unhinged delusional perspective is noted, now will you finally go away?

Just because you don't like to admit the truth doesn't make it any less true. This is a matter of fact. Everyone knows it's going on. It's just that some would prefer to keep it secret. Maybe because they're embarrassed that their kids couldn't get in the front door or maybe because they want to keep this available to anyone with means. I don't know or care really but I feel it's only fair to point this out.

Whether your "super-secret-but-everyone-is-doing-it" backdoor is real or not, you convinced the school administration that it is and they are no longer doing it. You can buy as many WISCs as you want but you still won't get your kid in that way anymore.

It's not a question if it's real or not, half the kids get in this way. Not sure why pretending is helping anyone.

By your logic, half the kids are admitted on appeal. That is unequivocally untrue. Your claims are absurd and your jealously is sad. Please get help.

There's really no shame in this. It's very common.

It obviously didn't work for you.

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Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I totally missed the train on anything AAP related. I didn't realize this was something parents plan and prep for (I'm not from here). I now have a 1st and 3 grader who are very good students but it's becoming apparent that our school environment is not really helping them. There's a lot of disruption in the classroom and good students just go unnoticed. My 3rd grader did not get a high enough score in 2nd grade for AAP. I am not really surprised since he pretty much didn't learn anything during the pandemic (we didn't have a tutor, he hated on-line school and I was overwhelmed). I feel bad for not even trying. What's the way to go? Prep and ask if he can take a COGAT, like PP mentioned?

I think they can take the CogAT one more time through FCPS, so ask the AART about that. They can also take the CogAT or WISC privately if you pay for it. Just apply again next year (the deadline is in December) with new test scores and make sure to submit all of the parent referral forms and some work samples from your DC.

Yes, parents with deep pockets can manage the appeals process and fund private diagnoses to get their children in the backdoor. It's more common than many would like to admit.

The backdoor into AAP has been a well-kept secret despite being fairly common.

Your unhinged delusional perspective is noted, now will you finally go away?

Just because you don't like to admit the truth doesn't make it any less true. This is a matter of fact. Everyone knows it's going on. It's just that some would prefer to keep it secret. Maybe because they're embarrassed that their kids couldn't get in the front door or maybe because they want to keep this available to anyone with means. I don't know or care really but I feel it's only fair to point this out.

Whether your "super-secret-but-everyone-is-doing-it" backdoor is real or not, you convinced the school administration that it is and they are no longer doing it. You can buy as many WISCs as you want but you still won't get your kid in that way anymore.

It's not a question if it's real or not, half the kids get in this way. Not sure why pretending is helping anyone.

By your logic, half the kids are admitted on appeal. That is unequivocally untrue. Your claims are absurd and your jealously is sad. Please get help.

There's really no shame in this. It's very common.

It obviously didn't work for you.

My older child got in the old fashioned way but younger kid had to use the backdoor. It only took 2 appeals.

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How common is it to add Level IV students in later grades? We are happy with our private school that ends in 5th, but would push for AAP earlier if it's tough to get in after elementary. We had separate testing done for privates and kid qualified for DYS so I would hope acceptance wouldn't be an issue.