Grand Jury report on LCPS sexual assault cases is unsealed

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Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

If you read the report, he was already anally raping her before the teacher came in. And then he continued to do so after the teacher left. Why the girl didn’t scream bloody murder, I’ll never know. Poor thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What a report- this is crazy! I'm in LCPS and hadn't followed the news closely.

(Side note- why is this scanned and not OCRed? You can't search through it)

I am going to guess to make it harder to write about.

The report itself is not that good. There is a lot of characterization of what happened instead of a dispassionate relaying of facts.

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Anonymous wrote:The report faults the school for not opening a Title IX investigation, and one official was dogged in pointing out these flaws in September.

I don't think schools and colleges should be doing these investigations, and instead the police should be handling it.

The police (LCSO) were involved from the beginning. An SRO from the school was involved. The LCSO dropped the ball and the right wing have tried to use the whole event to destroy the school board and the Super who do not lean right.

And the sheriff is about as evil a rabid right-winger as they get. He is really a villain in all of this.

As a Loudoun resident, it blows my mind that the LCSO isn’t being held more responsible for their part in this mess. Between this and the incident a month or so ago where they mistakenly released a violent offender, I wonder about the competency there.
Guess I am naive…I didn’t realize they were THAT bad.
I guess holding the LCSO accountable (in addition to the well-placed blame that resides with LCPS) doesn’t fit the narrative some are trying to sell, though.

These incidents are what happens when you have a Sheriff and Commonwealth Attorney who hate each other. Each plays the blame game with the other.

I have a sibling who gets in trouble a lot and lives in Leesburg so I'm often at the Loudoun County courthouse for his hearings. I've seen numerous cases get dismissed because the LCSO and CA office were basically in a juvenile pissing match with each other. This includes one of my brother's cases. The CA prosecuting his last DUI stated in court "due to an inability by the LCSO to follow proper procedure, we must ask for a dismissal, your honor." The CA and two LCSO officers there in court then had words afterward in the hall.

I have a lot more confidence in the CA.

The sheriff’s office is rotten to the core. The sheriff is a partisan political hack who behaves like a petulant child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

If you read the report, he was already anally raping her before the teacher came in. And then he continued to do so after the teacher left. Why the girl didn’t scream bloody murder, I’ll never know. Poor thing.

I don’t think that is an accurate recounting of the report timeline. It also doesn’t make sense because presumably she would be yelling in pain and I doubt very much a teacher would walk away from that. Occam’s Razor suggests it was just two kids in the stall at that point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

PP here. I have worked in several different school systems as a special education teacher, school psychologist and administrator for many years -- elementary through high school. What you've described is not happening in well run schools with dedicated professionals. If it's true where you work, then I can see why the public would be highly critical of your school system. And, no, I would NOT just walk out and say nothing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Virginia can create public schools for really troubled teens who are a danger to general population school students.

We used to have those. Now those kids are walking the hallways with protections.

Yep, we had them in LCPS when I was in school from 1992-2001. It was Douglas School in Leesburg (it's currently being renovated).

It's where the kids who were caught with drugs got sent and also the kids who were constant disruptions/discipline issues. The boy who pat a girl's butt in 9th grade got sent there for the rest of his HS career. The girls who snorted pixie stix like coke in 7th grade got sent there until 9th grade. The kid who slapped a teacher got sent there.

Now all those kids get to remain in mainstream school because "everyone has a right to an education."

Most districts in the DMV used to have really good ED programs for kids who could not handle the Gen Ed environment. The pendulum swung too far when they started placing students into these programs for things like snorting pixie dust or one time minor weed possession. That was never the point of those programs and using them for those cases created the argument that they were a needless expense for school districts, who jumped at the chance to save money. Now it’s gone too far in the other direction and kids with very serious problems are expected to be kept in the same classrooms as everyone else. This LCPS case is more extreme than most but parents would be appalled if they knew what goes on in regular classrooms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe Virginia can create public schools for really troubled teens who are a danger to general population school students.

We used to have those. Now those kids are walking the hallways with protections.

Yep, we had them in LCPS when I was in school from 1992-2001. It was Douglas School in Leesburg (it's currently being renovated).

It's where the kids who were caught with drugs got sent and also the kids who were constant disruptions/discipline issues. The boy who pat a girl's butt in 9th grade got sent there for the rest of his HS career. The girls who snorted pixie stix like coke in 7th grade got sent there until 9th grade. The kid who slapped a teacher got sent there.

Now all those kids get to remain in mainstream school because "everyone has a right to an education."

Most districts in the DMV used to have really good ED programs for kids who could not handle the Gen Ed environment. The pendulum swung too far when they started placing students into these programs for things like snorting pixie dust or one time minor weed possession. That was never the point of those programs and using them for those cases created the argument that they were a needless expense for school districts, who jumped at the chance to save money. Now it’s gone too far in the other direction and kids with very serious problems are expected to be kept in the same classrooms as everyone else. This LCPS case is more extreme than most but parents would be appalled if they knew what goes on in regular classrooms.

+1 true

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

Did she do that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

PP here. I have worked in several different school systems as a special education teacher, school psychologist and administrator for many years -- elementary through high school. What you've described is not happening in well run schools with dedicated professionals. If it's true where you work, then I can see why the public would be highly critical of your school system. And, no, I would NOT just walk out and say nothing.

+1

No peace for the one who said nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

PP here. I have worked in several different school systems as a special education teacher, school psychologist and administrator for many years -- elementary through high school. What you've described is not happening in well run schools with dedicated professionals. If it's true where you work, then I can see why the public would be highly critical of your school system. And, no, I would NOT just walk out and say nothing.

When is the last time you worked in a school because I PROMISE you the game has changed since Covid. Yup, even in the “good schools.” You don’t have a clue if you haven’t been teaching IN a school since before March 2020. Not a clue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

Did she do that?

I don’t know. I am simply saying, the situation has alternative explanations that aren’t “a teacher saw and heard a rape and just left.” As a teacher, we should actually not be the ones trying to address drugs, weapons, sex, fights, etc in schools - it’s a huge liability on all sides. So if I walked in and saw more than one student in a stall, I would find as quickly as I could the appropriate person to handle that kind of incident. I certainly think if the teacher walked in and heard screaming and struggles and could tell it was a sexual assault her response would’ve been more immediate to try to stop AND get help, which tells me it wasn’t clear when she saw their feet that it was sexual in nature or violent yet. I wasn’t there, I am just saying, it’s a big leap to assume she could tell an anal rape was occurring and just left because she didn’t care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

Did she do that?

I don’t know. I am simply saying, the situation has alternative explanations that aren’t “a teacher saw and heard a rape and just left.” As a teacher, we should actually not be the ones trying to address drugs, weapons, sex, fights, etc in schools - it’s a huge liability on all sides. So if I walked in and saw more than one student in a stall, I would find as quickly as I could the appropriate person to handle that kind of incident. I certainly think if the teacher walked in and heard screaming and struggles and could tell it was a sexual assault her response would’ve been more immediate to try to stop AND get help, which tells me it wasn’t clear when she saw their feet that it was sexual in nature or violent yet. I wasn’t there, I am just saying, it’s a big leap to assume she could tell an anal rape was occurring and just left because she didn’t care.

Sounds like your whatabouting is irrelevant then.

As others have pointed out they WOULD have said something about seeing 4 feet. Regardless of knowing if a rape is happening, two students shouldn’t be in the same stall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

Did she do that?

I don’t know. I am simply saying, the situation has alternative explanations that aren’t “a teacher saw and heard a rape and just left.” As a teacher, we should actually not be the ones trying to address drugs, weapons, sex, fights, etc in schools - it’s a huge liability on all sides. So if I walked in and saw more than one student in a stall, I would find as quickly as I could the appropriate person to handle that kind of incident. I certainly think if the teacher walked in and heard screaming and struggles and could tell it was a sexual assault her response would’ve been more immediate to try to stop AND get help, which tells me it wasn’t clear when she saw their feet that it was sexual in nature or violent yet. I wasn’t there, I am just saying, it’s a big leap to assume she could tell an anal rape was occurring and just left because she didn’t care.

Sounds like your whatabouting is irrelevant then.

As others have pointed out they WOULD have said something about seeing 4 feet. Regardless of knowing if a rape is happening, two students shouldn’t be in the same stall.

This totally depends on the admin. If they are going to hint that teachers who report these things have some ulterior motives and threaten their next contract then no, teachers aren't going to say anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

Did she do that?

I don’t know. I am simply saying, the situation has alternative explanations that aren’t “a teacher saw and heard a rape and just left.” As a teacher, we should actually not be the ones trying to address drugs, weapons, sex, fights, etc in schools - it’s a huge liability on all sides. So if I walked in and saw more than one student in a stall, I would find as quickly as I could the appropriate person to handle that kind of incident. I certainly think if the teacher walked in and heard screaming and struggles and could tell it was a sexual assault her response would’ve been more immediate to try to stop AND get help, which tells me it wasn’t clear when she saw their feet that it was sexual in nature or violent yet. I wasn’t there, I am just saying, it’s a big leap to assume she could tell an anal rape was occurring and just left because she didn’t care.

Sounds like your whatabouting is irrelevant then.

As others have pointed out they WOULD have said something about seeing 4 feet. Regardless of knowing if a rape is happening, two students shouldn’t be in the same stall.

This totally depends on the admin. If they are going to hint that teachers who report these things have some ulterior motives and threaten their next contract then no, teachers aren't going to say anything.

I’m not going to say anything to kids in that second because it is more appropriate for security or admin to handle those issues. I understand you don’t get legal liability in schools but I cannot put hands on kids to separate them or be forceful in any way. If I saw feet in the stall I would probably tell them to come out , but they wouldn’t, and I would get admin / security who would be the ones who need to handle it. Teachers are NOT THE ONES in the building tasked with breaking up fights, handling sexual incidents, or dealing with contraband. It is a huge issue if we do so. Again, the teacher likely didn’t walk in WHEN the assault was occurring because the report claims the assailant had the victim on the floor assaulting her. That’s not what the teacher saw. She probably left to tell someone and then nobody followed up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A teacher walked into the bathroom during the assault, saw the two feet under the door, and walked out, doing nothing. Aces.

That teacher will never experience a moment of peace again after knowing what happened to that poor girl.

I'm not sure that the kind of person who would walk out and do nothing would have those feelings.

Let me provide an alternative viewpoint of why this might’ve happened:

Teacher walks in. Sees two sets of feet in a stall. Surprise surprise, kids are in a stall together. This happens ALL THE TIME. Am I as the teacher going to intervene and try to get in that stall? No. What I AM going to do is leave and go find admin/school security because it’s their job to deal with those kinds of infractions. Given the interaction BEGAN consensually, the teacher likely had no idea it was going to turn into rape. Nothing may have been occurring at all when she walked in. As much as you might want to believe that students rarely meet in the bathroom to hook up or do drugs, that isn’t true: it’s incredibly common. She didn’t knowingly walk out on a rape - she walked out to probably go tell admin to deal with two students in the stall doing who knows what.

Did she do that?

I don’t know. I am simply saying, the situation has alternative explanations that aren’t “a teacher saw and heard a rape and just left.” As a teacher, we should actually not be the ones trying to address drugs, weapons, sex, fights, etc in schools - it’s a huge liability on all sides. So if I walked in and saw more than one student in a stall, I would find as quickly as I could the appropriate person to handle that kind of incident. I certainly think if the teacher walked in and heard screaming and struggles and could tell it was a sexual assault her response would’ve been more immediate to try to stop AND get help, which tells me it wasn’t clear when she saw their feet that it was sexual in nature or violent yet. I wasn’t there, I am just saying, it’s a big leap to assume she could tell an anal rape was occurring and just left because she didn’t care.

Sounds like your whatabouting is irrelevant then.

As others have pointed out they WOULD have said something about seeing 4 feet. Regardless of knowing if a rape is happening, two students shouldn’t be in the same stall.

This totally depends on the admin. If they are going to hint that teachers who report these things have some ulterior motives and threaten their next contract then no, teachers aren't going to say anything.

I’m not going to say anything to kids in that second because it is more appropriate for security or admin to handle those issues. I understand you don’t get legal liability in schools but I cannot put hands on kids to separate them or be forceful in any way. If I saw feet in the stall I would probably tell them to come out , but they wouldn’t, and I would get admin / security who would be the ones who need to handle it. Teachers are NOT THE ONES in the building tasked with breaking up fights, handling sexual incidents, or dealing with contraband. It is a huge issue if we do so. Again, the teacher likely didn’t walk in WHEN the assault was occurring because the report claims the assailant had the victim on the floor assaulting her. That’s not what the teacher saw. She probably left to tell someone and then nobody followed up.

The PP above said they would just leave and tell someone else. They would not say something. THAT is the problem. No one said anything about forcibly separating them. Stop adding hyperbole.

PP, like the teacher in this case, will never experience a moment of peace for saying nothing.