University of Michigan v University of Southern California

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Anonymous wrote:If you go to USC, you’re never returning. If you go to Michigan, you’re coming home. If you’re a parent think about that.

Lol if this is part of your decision making, take both off the table and just have them commute to local state u. You can do their laundry for the remainder of time.

It’s just possible, you reversed the PP’s logic there. As a parent of an LA college student, I read this a selling point of USC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:University of Spoiled Children is not a great school. It’s above average students with money. Michigan academics are superior. USC is a school for lifestyle, like Colorado Boulder. Michigan is for academics. Choice depends on why one is going to college.

Not to mention one step outside of USC is a ghetto.

+1. I agree with this. And I'm a So-Californian. I would never send my kid to USC. While it has climbed the rankings, most locals still consider it the overpriced University of Spoiled Children. The location is awful. You have to drive to get anywhere (good luck with that with the traffic). The air quality is poor. Everything around the university is congested. There is too much emphasis on appearance. You are two exists from Watts. It your kid just wants to party and be with the pretty people for four years - and you want to pay for it - then I guess OK. I don't consider it a good undergrad experience from an academic point of view. And, yes, I have relatives who went to USC and did very little with their degree other than become pretty real estate agents. You can do better. I would Hire a Michigan grad over USC any day of the week. Also, you don't have to go through LAX to get to Michigan

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:University of Spoiled Children is not a great school. It’s above average students with money. Michigan academics are superior. USC is a school for lifestyle, like Colorado Boulder. Michigan is for academics. Choice depends on why one is going to college.

Not to mention one step outside of USC is a ghetto.

+1. I agree with this. And I'm a So-Californian. I would never send my kid to USC. While it has climbed the rankings, most locals still consider it the overpriced University of Spoiled Children. The location is awful. You have to drive to get anywhere (good luck with that with the traffic). The air quality is poor. Everything around the university is congested. There is too much emphasis on appearance. You are two exists from Watts. It your kid just wants to party and be with the pretty people for four years - and you want to pay for it - then I guess OK. I don't consider it a good undergrad experience from an academic point of view. And, yes, I have relatives who went to USC and did very little with their degree other than become pretty real estate agents. You can do better. I would Hire a Michigan grad over USC any day of the week. Also, you don't have to go through LAX to get to Michigan

Crappy location, yes. But USC grads have a huge alumni network in LA and do very well in finance, real estate, law, entertainment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:University of Spoiled Children is not a great school. It’s above average students with money. Michigan academics are superior. USC is a school for lifestyle, like Colorado Boulder. Michigan is for academics. Choice depends on why one is going to college.

Not to mention one step outside of USC is a ghetto.

+1. I agree with this. And I'm a So-Californian. I would never send my kid to USC. While it has climbed the rankings, most locals still consider it the overpriced University of Spoiled Children. The location is awful. You have to drive to get anywhere (good luck with that with the traffic). The air quality is poor. Everything around the university is congested. There is too much emphasis on appearance. You are two exits from Watts. It your kid just wants to party and be with the pretty people for four years - and you want to pay for it - then I guess OK. I don't consider it a good undergrad experience from an academic point of view. And, yes, I have relatives who went to USC and did very little with their degree other than become pretty real estate agents. You can do better. I would Hire a Michigan grad over USC any day of the week. Also, you don't have to go through LAX to get to Michigan

And two freeway exits in any direction from Michigan's campus is violent crime, MAGA country, and/or pain clinic opioid dispensaries. Michigan is a fun school and has some great programs but the location and weather is bleak.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:University of Spoiled Children is not a great school. It’s above average students with money. Michigan academics are superior. USC is a school for lifestyle, like Colorado Boulder. Michigan is for academics. Choice depends on why one is going to college.

Not to mention one step outside of USC is a ghetto.

+1. I agree with this. And I'm a So-Californian. I would never send my kid to USC. While it has climbed the rankings, most locals still consider it the overpriced University of Spoiled Children. The location is awful. You have to drive to get anywhere (good luck with that with the traffic). The air quality is poor. Everything around the university is congested. There is too much emphasis on appearance. You are two exists from Watts. It your kid just wants to party and be with the pretty people for four years - and you want to pay for it - then I guess OK. I don't consider it a good undergrad experience from an academic point of view. And, yes, I have relatives who went to USC and did very little with their degree other than become pretty real estate agents. You can do better. I would Hire a Michigan grad over USC any day of the week. Also, you don't have to go through LAX to get to Michigan

I have two separate physician colleagues (now in their early 50s and working in an academic medicine field) who both went to USC and are now sending a kid there. They had a very different experience then you describe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are some obvious tangible reasons to pick one over the other.

If your kid wants to work in entertainment, or generally in Southern CA, then USC is hands down a better option. The USC alumni network is very strong and entertainment is certainly an industry where you want to be physically close to the epicenter and USC is very strong in the industry.

If your dream is to work in automotive or generally in the Midwest, then Michigan is hands down the better option.

After that, going to school in a large city vs. a small town...weather...strength of specific programs come into play.

Seems like a generally odd choice to me that someone is possibly deciding between Michigan and USC.

I probably know hundreds of UM students and alumni (I am not one of them)

I know exactly zero who work in the automotive industry.

I am not sure where this even comes from other than USC=film and Michigan = cars.

Just a fairly reasonable assertion that physical location matters to the career you want to pursue. I picked automotive because that is the obvious Detroit/MI industry. Pick whatever industries that more align with your thinking and are based in the Midwest. Strange that you would know hundreds of UM students and alumni, yet you yourself did not attend.

As an example...where does SpaceX hire the most college grads? USC. Why...because they are there. After USC it is CMU...so if you really want to work at SpaceX or LA-based industry X, and don't think you will get into a CMU, then USC is a great choice. Likely better than Michigan.

NP
It's simply not true and now you have me doubting your logic and the rest of your statement. I went to Michigan engineering (mechanical) and did go into automotive, but the majority of the people (engineers) I know went on to grad school/med school/law school/business school and don't work in automotive/live in the Midwest. When I was younger, I would often joke about how I had a place to stay overnight in almost any state because of all my friends who scattered across the country.
And this is just the engineering school, where you would expect some automotive interest. In the majority of Michigan, I don't even know where all the psychology/archeology/math/architecture/ etc. majors would even begin to work in automotive. Yes, because of the state of Michigan not being full of opportunities in these areas, these grads will have to leave Michigan to pursue their careers. Which is not a problem as major employers come to the career centers to interview/hire.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are some obvious tangible reasons to pick one over the other.

If your kid wants to work in entertainment, or generally in Southern CA, then USC is hands down a better option. The USC alumni network is very strong and entertainment is certainly an industry where you want to be physically close to the epicenter and USC is very strong in the industry.

If your dream is to work in automotive or generally in the Midwest, then Michigan is hands down the better option.

After that, going to school in a large city vs. a small town...weather...strength of specific programs come into play.

Seems like a generally odd choice to me that someone is possibly deciding between Michigan and USC.

I probably know hundreds of UM students and alumni (I am not one of them)

I know exactly zero who work in the automotive industry.

I am not sure where this even comes from other than USC=film and Michigan = cars.

Just a fairly reasonable assertion that physical location matters to the career you want to pursue. I picked automotive because that is the obvious Detroit/MI industry. Pick whatever industries that more align with your thinking and are based in the Midwest. Strange that you would know hundreds of UM students and alumni, yet you yourself did not attend.

As an example...where does SpaceX hire the most college grads? USC. Why...because they are there. After USC it is CMU...so if you really want to work at SpaceX or LA-based industry X, and don't think you will get into a CMU, then USC is a great choice. Likely better than Michigan.

NP
It's simply not true and now you have me doubting your logic and the rest of your statement. I went to Michigan engineering (mechanical) and did go into automotive, but the majority of the people (engineers) I know went on to grad school/med school/law school/business school and don't work in automotive/live in the Midwest. When I was younger, I would often joke about how I had a place to stay overnight in almost any state because of all my friends who scattered across the country.
And this is just the engineering school, where you would expect some automotive interest. In the majority of Michigan, I don't even know where all the psychology/archeology/math/architecture/ etc. majors would even begin to work in automotive. Yes, because of the state of Michigan not being full of opportunities in these areas, these grads will have to leave Michigan to pursue their careers. Which is not a problem as major employers come to the career centers to interview/hire.

Hey, if you are too dense to understand...not much I can do.

This was a simple point...the question is why pick Michigan over USC or vice versa. Well, if you want to work in an industry based in Michigan or the Midwest, then Michigan is a better choice. I did not say all graduates from Michigan remain in Michigan or pick the school for that reason. However, this is an obvious reason why one school is better than the other. Do you think USC has a strong network in the Midwest? If that is where you want to make your life and career, picking USC would be a bad choice.

Go look at the statistics for the entertainment industry, SpaceX and other LA-based companies and industries. They have way more USC grads vs. Michigan grads. So, if that is what you want to do with your life, again, a rather obvious choice to pick USC over Michigan.

These are not the only reasons to pick one school over the other, but rather easy variables to factor into the choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:University of Spoiled Children is not a great school. It’s above average students with money. Michigan academics are superior. USC is a school for lifestyle, like Colorado Boulder. Michigan is for academics. Choice depends on why one is going to college.

Not to mention one step outside of USC is a ghetto.

+1. I agree with this. And I'm a So-Californian. I would never send my kid to USC. While it has climbed the rankings, most locals still consider it the overpriced University of Spoiled Children. The location is awful. You have to drive to get anywhere (good luck with that with the traffic). The air quality is poor. Everything around the university is congested. There is too much emphasis on appearance. You are two exists from Watts. It your kid just wants to party and be with the pretty people for four years - and you want to pay for it - then I guess OK. I don't consider it a good undergrad experience from an academic point of view. And, yes, I have relatives who went to USC and did very little with their degree other than become pretty real estate agents. You can do better. I would Hire a Michigan grad over USC any day of the week. Also, you don't have to go through LAX to get to Michigan

^^ found the bruin you know there is a train that runs out to Santa Monica from campus now right? and Uber exists? Have you compared admissions stats between UM and USC? They’re almost identical…

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What's the point in going to college in the Midwest if you don't plan to begin your career in or around Detroit or Chicago? It's not like mid-Michigan is some interesting place you just need to experience.

[Anonymous]

I haven’t visited Michigan but USC had the nicest academic buildings of any school we visited. They are putting their money to good use. For my student, the urban location was a plus in terms of both research and community service options.

They are both great schools with similar academic rankings and great sports/school spirit. I think it’s just an issue of personal preference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:University of Spoiled Children is not a great school. It’s above average students with money. Michigan academics are superior. USC is a school for lifestyle, like Colorado Boulder. Michigan is for academics. Choice depends on why one is going to college.

Not to mention one step outside of USC is a ghetto.

+1. I agree with this. And I'm a So-Californian. I would never send my kid to USC. While it has climbed the rankings, most locals still consider it the overpriced University of Spoiled Children. The location is awful. You have to drive to get anywhere (good luck with that with the traffic). The air quality is poor. Everything around the university is congested. There is too much emphasis on appearance. You are two exists from Watts. It your kid just wants to party and be with the pretty people for four years - and you want to pay for it - then I guess OK. I don't consider it a good undergrad experience from an academic point of view. And, yes, I have relatives who went to USC and did very little with their degree other than become pretty real estate agents. You can do better. I would Hire a Michigan grad over USC any day of the week. Also, you don't have to go through LAX to get to Michigan

Crappy location, yes. But USC grads have a huge alumni network in LA and do very well in finance, real estate, law, entertainment.

I've never seen school spirit like Michigan. You cannot throw a stone in DC without hitting a UM grad, and it is impossible to wear any article of UM clothing anywhere in the world without hearing "Go Blue!"

I wanted my DC to apply to UCLA and USC schools because I'm a native Californian and have family there, but DC refused and is happy at UM. A hedge fund friend (who has college-aged kids at SLACs) just said to DC recently that s/he would have pick of jobs (implying that UM was the reason), which I've heard from others, so I think it has a good reputation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are some obvious tangible reasons to pick one over the other.

If your kid wants to work in entertainment, or generally in Southern CA, then USC is hands down a better option. The USC alumni network is very strong and entertainment is certainly an industry where you want to be physically close to the epicenter and USC is very strong in the industry.

If your dream is to work in automotive or generally in the Midwest, then Michigan is hands down the better option.

After that, going to school in a large city vs. a small town...weather...strength of specific programs come into play.

Seems like a generally odd choice to me that someone is possibly deciding between Michigan and USC.

I probably know hundreds of UM students and alumni (I am not one of them)

I know exactly zero who work in the automotive industry.

I am not sure where this even comes from other than USC=film and Michigan = cars.

Just a fairly reasonable assertion that physical location matters to the career you want to pursue. I picked automotive because that is the obvious Detroit/MI industry. Pick whatever industries that more align with your thinking and are based in the Midwest. Strange that you would know hundreds of UM students and alumni, yet you yourself did not attend.

As an example...where does SpaceX hire the most college grads? USC. Why...because they are there. After USC it is CMU...so if you really want to work at SpaceX or LA-based industry X, and don't think you will get into a CMU, then USC is a great choice. Likely better than Michigan.

NP
It's simply not true and now you have me doubting your logic and the rest of your statement. I went to Michigan engineering (mechanical) and did go into automotive, but the majority of the people (engineers) I know went on to grad school/med school/law school/business school and don't work in automotive/live in the Midwest. When I was younger, I would often joke about how I had a place to stay overnight in almost any state because of all my friends who scattered across the country.
And this is just the engineering school, where you would expect some automotive interest. In the majority of Michigan, I don't even know where all the psychology/archeology/math/architecture/ etc. majors would even begin to work in automotive. Yes, because of the state of Michigan not being full of opportunities in these areas, these grads will have to leave Michigan to pursue their careers. Which is not a problem as major employers come to the career centers to interview/hire.

Hey, if you are too dense to understand...not much I can do.

This was a simple point...the question is why pick Michigan over USC or vice versa. Well, if you want to work in an industry based in Michigan or the Midwest, then Michigan is a better choice. I did not say all graduates from Michigan remain in Michigan or pick the school for that reason. However, this is an obvious reason why one school is better than the other. Do you think USC has a strong network in the Midwest? If that is where you want to make your life and career, picking USC would be a bad choice.

Go look at the statistics for the entertainment industry, SpaceX and other LA-based companies and industries. They have way more USC grads vs. Michigan grads. So, if that is what you want to do with your life, again, a rather obvious choice to pick USC over Michigan.

These are not the only reasons to pick one school over the other, but rather easy variables to factor into the choice.

Okey dokey,

If you want a strong network in Michigan, you need to go to Michigan St.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t visited Michigan but USC had the nicest academic buildings of any school we visited. They are putting their money to good use. For my student, the urban location was a plus in terms of both research and community service options.

They are both great schools with similar academic rankings and great sports/school spirit. I think it’s just an issue of personal preference.

but it's in the toilet of So. Cal near the airport. You can do better

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:University of Spoiled Children is not a great school. It’s above average students with money. Michigan academics are superior. USC is a school for lifestyle, like Colorado Boulder. Michigan is for academics. Choice depends on why one is going to college.

Not to mention one step outside of USC is a ghetto.

+1. I agree with this. And I'm a So-Californian. I would never send my kid to USC. While it has climbed the rankings, most locals still consider it the overpriced University of Spoiled Children. The location is awful. You have to drive to get anywhere (good luck with that with the traffic). The air quality is poor. Everything around the university is congested. There is too much emphasis on appearance. You are two exists from Watts. It your kid just wants to party and be with the pretty people for four years - and you want to pay for it - then I guess OK. I don't consider it a good undergrad experience from an academic point of view. And, yes, I have relatives who went to USC and did very little with their degree other than become pretty real estate agents. You can do better. I would Hire a Michigan grad over USC any day of the week. Also, you don't have to go through LAX to get to Michigan

You sound like a clueless old granny
It's 21st century. Keep the F up

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-engineering

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech

Michigan is little better on the business finance side but not much at all

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking

USC is top in many areas.
A crowded public in Michigan over USC?
Are you nuts??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:University of Spoiled Children is not a great school. It’s above average students with money. Michigan academics are superior. USC is a school for lifestyle, like Colorado Boulder. Michigan is for academics. Choice depends on why one is going to college.

Not to mention one step outside of USC is a ghetto.

+1. I agree with this. And I'm a So-Californian. I would never send my kid to USC. While it has climbed the rankings, most locals still consider it the overpriced University of Spoiled Children. The location is awful. You have to drive to get anywhere (good luck with that with the traffic). The air quality is poor. Everything around the university is congested. There is too much emphasis on appearance. You are two exits from Watts. It your kid just wants to party and be with the pretty people for four years - and you want to pay for it - then I guess OK. I don't consider it a good undergrad experience from an academic point of view. And, yes, I have relatives who went to USC and did very little with their degree other than become pretty real estate agents. You can do better. I would Hire a Michigan grad over USC any day of the week. Also, you don't have to go through LAX to get to Michigan

And two freeway exits in any direction from Michigan's campus is violent crime, MAGA country, and/or pain clinic opioid dispensaries. Michigan is a fun school and has some great programs but the location and weather is bleak.

Just admit you’ve never been to the area your condemning and be done with it.