New FLE program survey live

[Anonymous]

Correct me if I'm wrong but even after gender reassignment surgery, those born Male won't menstruate or be able to carry children, nor will those born female get erections or have wet dreams .... I get the intent to include gender expansive kids but the point of these elementary sessions is so kids can learn what to expect will imminently happen to their body

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but even after gender reassignment surgery, those born Male won't menstruate or be able to carry children, nor will those born female get erections or have wet dreams .... I get the intent to include gender expansive kids but the point of these elementary sessions is so kids can learn what to expect will imminently happen to their body

This new push is completely anti science.

[Anonymous]

Why not let kids decide - like if they are trans or confused?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No parent wants combined genders. I doubt many parents are even aware this is the plan for next year.

I am the parent of a 4th grade boy and I have absolutely no problem with combined gender FLE classes. There is nothing in the girls’ lessons that he shouldn’t hear and nothing in his that would hurt them. Receiving the same information together is both egalitarian and practical. It helps students understand each other more and have empathy toward each other. It helps create understanding rather than division.

Well I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.

I think parent's should be telling schools what they should teach.

It should reflect community desires.

There should certainly be community input. I do not think my 4th grader would feel comfortable in a lesson (or talking) about how she's starting to get buds on her chest and how she's starting to get pubic hair. A conversation we had the other night about a period is (after she found a tampon and asked what it is) could not have been more uncomfortable (from her side). I was just very open and matter-of-fact about it and she was struggling with embarrassment. I cannot imagine having these sorts of lessons in a mixed-gender class.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No parent wants combined genders. I doubt many parents are even aware this is the plan for next year.

I am the parent of a 4th grade boy and I have absolutely no problem with combined gender FLE classes. There is nothing in the girls’ lessons that he shouldn’t hear and nothing in his that would hurt them. Receiving the same information together is both egalitarian and practical. It helps students understand each other more and have empathy toward each other. It helps create understanding rather than division.

Well I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.

I think parent's should be telling schools what they should teach.

It should reflect community desires.

There should certainly be community input. I do not think my 4th grader would feel comfortable in a lesson (or talking) about how she's starting to get buds on her chest and how she's starting to get pubic hair. A conversation we had the other night about a period is (after she found a tampon and asked what it is) could not have been more uncomfortable (from her side). I was just very open and matter-of-fact about it and she was struggling with embarrassment. I cannot imagine having these sorts of lessons in a mixed-gender class.

Exactly this. I continue to be amazed that certain parents actually seem to *want* children to feel uncomfortable and embarrassed. It really boggles the mind.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I added comments that I was against the “assigned male at birth” and “assigned female at birth” changes as well.

People like you are going to ruin this and they will ignore. Can't people just comment about the mixing of genders and shut up about this language change that means nothing?

Sex is not "assigned" at birth. First, no one does the assigning, it's simply an observational fact. Second, the use of the term "assigned" implies that it can be changed later, which is simply not true. Sex is immutable and unchangeable.

This "language change" is literally propaganda taught by our schools to your kids.

Nonsense. Gender-affirming surgery changes ones biological sex to match their gender.

Gender-affirming care that include hormonal treatments and surgeries, DO cause all kinds of irreversible health issues. In the long run, they will most likely render a person sterile and unable to reproduce, striping that person of the joy of having any descendants later-on in life.

Also, young people who undergo such treatments and procedures, once they mature and are in a relationship, most likely will never get to achieve full sexual pleasure with their partner as nature designed it. These facts need to be included in the FCPS FLE/ Sex-Ed classes that address gender- affirming care with the students. Of course, for an inclusive approach, testimonies of detransitioners should be a part of the lessons, as should research done in other countries in Europe who are ahead of the game compared to the US. Otherwise, introducing this topic to our kids will be deceiving and reflecting only one side of the coin. How do we expect our kids to become critical thinkers unless we show them both?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No parent wants combined genders. I doubt many parents are even aware this is the plan for next year.

I am the parent of a 4th grade boy and I have absolutely no problem with combined gender FLE classes. There is nothing in the girls’ lessons that he shouldn’t hear and nothing in his that would hurt them. Receiving the same information together is both egalitarian and practical. It helps students understand each other more and have empathy toward each other. It helps create understanding rather than division.

Well I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.

I think parent's should be telling schools what they should teach.

It should reflect community desires.

There should certainly be community input. I do not think my 4th grader would feel comfortable in a lesson (or talking) about how she's starting to get buds on her chest and how she's starting to get pubic hair. A conversation we had the other night about a period is (after she found a tampon and asked what it is) could not have been more uncomfortable (from her side). I was just very open and matter-of-fact about it and she was struggling with embarrassment. I cannot imagine having these sorts of lessons in a mixed-gender class.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I added comments that I was against the “assigned male at birth” and “assigned female at birth” changes as well.

People like you are going to ruin this and they will ignore. Can't people just comment about the mixing of genders and shut up about this language change that means nothing?

Sex is not "assigned" at birth. First, no one does the assigning, it's simply an observational fact. Second, the use of the term "assigned" implies that it can be changed later, which is simply not true. Sex is immutable and unchangeable.

This "language change" is literally propaganda taught by our schools to your kids.

Nonsense. Gender-affirming surgery changes ones biological sex to match their gender.

Gender-affirming care that include hormonal treatments and surgeries, DO cause all kinds of irreversible health issues. In the long run, they will most likely render a person sterile and unable to reproduce, striping that person of the joy of having any descendants later-on in life.

Also, young people who undergo such treatments and procedures, once they mature and are in a relationship, most likely will never get to achieve full sexual pleasure with their partner as nature designed it. These facts need to be included in the FCPS FLE/ Sex-Ed classes that address gender- affirming care with the students. Of course, for an inclusive approach, testimonies of detransitioners should be a part of the lessons, as should research done in other countries in Europe who are ahead of the game compared to the US. Otherwise, introducing this topic to our kids will be deceiving and reflecting only one side of the coin. How do we expect our kids to become critical thinkers unless we show them both?

Gender affirming surgery or transgender discussion of any kind has no place in FLE whatsoever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I added comments that I was against the “assigned male at birth” and “assigned female at birth” changes as well.

People like you are going to ruin this and they will ignore. Can't people just comment about the mixing of genders and shut up about this language change that means nothing?

Sex is not "assigned" at birth. First, no one does the assigning, it's simply an observational fact. Second, the use of the term "assigned" implies that it can be changed later, which is simply not true. Sex is immutable and unchangeable.

This "language change" is literally propaganda taught by our schools to your kids.

Nonsense. Gender-affirming surgery changes ones biological sex to match their gender.

Gender-affirming care that include hormonal treatments and surgeries, DO cause all kinds of irreversible health issues. In the long run, they will most likely render a person sterile and unable to reproduce, striping that person of the joy of having any descendants later-on in life.

Also, young people who undergo such treatments and procedures, once they mature and are in a relationship, most likely will never get to achieve full sexual pleasure with their partner as nature designed it. These facts need to be included in the FCPS FLE/ Sex-Ed classes that address gender- affirming care with the students. Of course, for an inclusive approach, testimonies of detransitioners should be a part of the lessons, as should research done in other countries in Europe who are ahead of the game compared to the US. Otherwise, introducing this topic to our kids will be deceiving and reflecting only one side of the coin. How do we expect our kids to become critical thinkers unless we show them both?

Agree completely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I added comments that I was against the “assigned male at birth” and “assigned female at birth” changes as well.

People like you are going to ruin this and they will ignore. Can't people just comment about the mixing of genders and shut up about this language change that means nothing?

Sex is not "assigned" at birth. First, no one does the assigning, it's simply an observational fact. Second, the use of the term "assigned" implies that it can be changed later, which is simply not true. Sex is immutable and unchangeable.

This "language change" is literally propaganda taught by our schools to your kids.

Nonsense. Gender-affirming surgery changes ones biological sex to match their gender.

Gender-affirming care that include hormonal treatments and surgeries, DO cause all kinds of irreversible health issues. In the long run, they will most likely render a person sterile and unable to reproduce, striping that person of the joy of having any descendants later-on in life.

Also, young people who undergo such treatments and procedures, once they mature and are in a relationship, most likely will never get to achieve full sexual pleasure with their partner as nature designed it. These facts need to be included in the FCPS FLE/ Sex-Ed classes that address gender- affirming care with the students. Of course, for an inclusive approach, testimonies of detransitioners should be a part of the lessons, as should research done in other countries in Europe who are ahead of the game compared to the US. Otherwise, introducing this topic to our kids will be deceiving and reflecting only one side of the coin. How do we expect our kids to become critical thinkers unless we show them both?

Gender affirming surgery or transgender discussion of any kind has no place in FLE whatsoever.

Agree.

But fcps is adding it, and only perceived be efits, not any facts, risks or consequences.

If fcps is going to insist upon adding this to the curriculum, the material presented needs to be inclusive of all the risks, factual that none of these treatments will change biology and will only be a perhaps unsuccessful cosmetic cha ge with grave harm potential, lifelong side effects and consequences from everything from Lupron, hormon replacement and surgical items like castration, hysterectomy, and mastectomies (not the casual gloss over slang terminology of top/bottom surgery, but clinical, factual medical terms), and presentations from detransitioners.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I added comments that I was against the “assigned male at birth” and “assigned female at birth” changes as well.

People like you are going to ruin this and they will ignore. Can't people just comment about the mixing of genders and shut up about this language change that means nothing?

Sex is not "assigned" at birth. First, no one does the assigning, it's simply an observational fact. Second, the use of the term "assigned" implies that it can be changed later, which is simply not true. Sex is immutable and unchangeable.

This "language change" is literally propaganda taught by our schools to your kids.

Nonsense. Gender-affirming surgery changes ones biological sex to match their gender.

Gender-affirming care that include hormonal treatments and surgeries, DO cause all kinds of irreversible health issues. In the long run, they will most likely render a person sterile and unable to reproduce, striping that person of the joy of having any descendants later-on in life.

Also, young people who undergo such treatments and procedures, once they mature and are in a relationship, most likely will never get to achieve full sexual pleasure with their partner as nature designed it. These facts need to be included in the FCPS FLE/ Sex-Ed classes that address gender- affirming care with the students. Of course, for an inclusive approach, testimonies of detransitioners should be a part of the lessons, as should research done in other countries in Europe who are ahead of the game compared to the US. Otherwise, introducing this topic to our kids will be deceiving and reflecting only one side of the coin. How do we expect our kids to become critical thinkers unless we show them both?

Gender affirming surgery or transgender discussion of any kind has no place in FLE whatsoever.

Agree.

But fcps is adding it, and only perceived be efits, not any facts, risks or consequences.

If fcps is going to insist upon adding this to the curriculum, the material presented needs to be inclusive of all the risks, factual that none of these treatments will change biology and will only be a perhaps unsuccessful cosmetic cha ge with grave harm potential, lifelong side effects and consequences from everything from Lupron, hormon replacement and surgical items like castration, hysterectomy, and mastectomies (not the casual gloss over slang terminology of top/bottom surgery, but clinical, factual medical terms), and presentations from detransitioners.

Wait, what? I don’t see this in any of the proposed changes? Where do you see they are adding discussion of this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I added comments that I was against the “assigned male at birth” and “assigned female at birth” changes as well.

People like you are going to ruin this and they will ignore. Can't people just comment about the mixing of genders and shut up about this language change that means nothing?

Sex is not "assigned" at birth. First, no one does the assigning, it's simply an observational fact. Second, the use of the term "assigned" implies that it can be changed later, which is simply not true. Sex is immutable and unchangeable.

This "language change" is literally propaganda taught by our schools to your kids.

Nonsense. Gender-affirming surgery changes ones biological sex to match their gender.

Gender-affirming care that include hormonal treatments and surgeries, DO cause all kinds of irreversible health issues. In the long run, they will most likely render a person sterile and unable to reproduce, striping that person of the joy of having any descendants later-on in life.

Also, young people who undergo such treatments and procedures, once they mature and are in a relationship, most likely will never get to achieve full sexual pleasure with their partner as nature designed it. These facts need to be included in the FCPS FLE/ Sex-Ed classes that address gender- affirming care with the students. Of course, for an inclusive approach, testimonies of detransitioners should be a part of the lessons, as should research done in other countries in Europe who are ahead of the game compared to the US. Otherwise, introducing this topic to our kids will be deceiving and reflecting only one side of the coin. How do we expect our kids to become critical thinkers unless we show them both?

Gender affirming surgery or transgender discussion of any kind has no place in FLE whatsoever.

Agree.

But fcps is adding it, and only perceived be efits, not any facts, risks or consequences.

If fcps is going to insist upon adding this to the curriculum, the material presented needs to be inclusive of all the risks, factual that none of these treatments will change biology and will only be a perhaps unsuccessful cosmetic cha ge with grave harm potential, lifelong side effects and consequences from everything from Lupron, hormon replacement and surgical items like castration, hysterectomy, and mastectomies (not the casual gloss over slang terminology of top/bottom surgery, but clinical, factual medical terms), and presentations from detransitioners.

Wait, what? I don’t see this in any of the proposed changes? Where do you see they are adding discussion of this?

If it weren’t the case, how do you justify FCPS refusing vehemently to accept Governor Youngkin’s policy changes that incorporates parents in any changes at school related to students who identify as trans? And, why do you think students’ walkouts to oppose such policy changes were highly encouraged at school, or through the FCPS Pride movement and alike? The support for the trans movement at FCPS and in opposition to parental involvement was highly covered through many news outlets, just Google it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I added comments that I was against the “assigned male at birth” and “assigned female at birth” changes as well.

People like you are going to ruin this and they will ignore. Can't people just comment about the mixing of genders and shut up about this language change that means nothing?

Sex is not "assigned" at birth. First, no one does the assigning, it's simply an observational fact. Second, the use of the term "assigned" implies that it can be changed later, which is simply not true. Sex is immutable and unchangeable.

This "language change" is literally propaganda taught by our schools to your kids.

Nonsense. Gender-affirming surgery changes ones biological sex to match their gender.

Gender-affirming care that include hormonal treatments and surgeries, DO cause all kinds of irreversible health issues. In the long run, they will most likely render a person sterile and unable to reproduce, striping that person of the joy of having any descendants later-on in life.

Also, young people who undergo such treatments and procedures, once they mature and are in a relationship, most likely will never get to achieve full sexual pleasure with their partner as nature designed it. These facts need to be included in the FCPS FLE/ Sex-Ed classes that address gender- affirming care with the students. Of course, for an inclusive approach, testimonies of detransitioners should be a part of the lessons, as should research done in other countries in Europe who are ahead of the game compared to the US. Otherwise, introducing this topic to our kids will be deceiving and reflecting only one side of the coin. How do we expect our kids to become critical thinkers unless we show them both?

Gender affirming surgery or transgender discussion of any kind has no place in FLE whatsoever.

Agree.

But fcps is adding it, and only perceived be efits, not any facts, risks or consequences.

If fcps is going to insist upon adding this to the curriculum, the material presented needs to be inclusive of all the risks, factual that none of these treatments will change biology and will only be a perhaps unsuccessful cosmetic cha ge with grave harm potential, lifelong side effects and consequences from everything from Lupron, hormon replacement and surgical items like castration, hysterectomy, and mastectomies (not the casual gloss over slang terminology of top/bottom surgery, but clinical, factual medical terms), and presentations from detransitioners.

Wait, what? I don’t see this in any of the proposed changes? Where do you see they are adding discussion of this?

The concept of transgenderism and gender identity was brought in several years ago. See pages 3, 7, 8 and the dissent at the end from the FLE committee back in 2017-18. https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/AYKU7H699ED9/$file/FLECAC%20Annual%20Recommendations%20Report%202017_18_051018g.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why not let kids decide - like if they are trans or confused?

That would make too much sense.

[Anonymous]

I'm super liberal and I have no interest in having them combine genders for FLE instruction. I just don't think it's beneficial to the dissemination of the information. I would support combining for certain topics, but not for puberty topics or health issues particular to a certain sex (like breast exams, testicular checks, etc.)

I truly don't see any benefit to combining genders for this and I think it will just inhibit discussion and make everyone uncomfortable.