More Bethesda Violent Crime: Shots Fired at Pike & Rose

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo has been circling the drain for 20 years. Its momentum is increasing as it gets closer to the bottom.

Crime was higher 20 years ago..

The benchmark shouldn't be the worst crime rates. The benchmark should be the lowest crime rates. In 2013 we only had 8 homicides.

It's disingenuous to say we have been going down for 20 years we have not. 2013 was a dip but this year isn't even a spike, it's only a spike compared to the lowest years. Crime is high everywhere, crime here is low in comparison... in comparison to the rest of the US, in comparison to most years in the last 20 years.

This is pathetic. Would you ever say that anti-trans bigotry is rising everywhere in America and therefore rising anti-trans bigotry is tolerable in Montgomery County? But somehow you think it’s okay to say this about crime. It says a lot about you and your standards.

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo has been circling the drain for 20 years. Its momentum is increasing as it gets closer to the bottom.

Crime was higher 20 years ago..

The benchmark shouldn't be the worst crime rates. The benchmark should be the lowest crime rates. In 2013 we only had 8 homicides.

It's disingenuous to say we have been going down for 20 years we have not. 2013 was a dip but this year isn't even a spike, it's only a spike compared to the lowest years. Crime is high everywhere, crime here is low in comparison... in comparison to the rest of the US, in comparison to most years in the last 20 years.

This is pathetic. Would you ever say that anti-trans bigotry is rising everywhere in America and therefore rising anti-trans bigotry is tolerable in Montgomery County? But somehow you think it’s okay to say this about crime. It says a lot about you and your standards.

Not that PP but there is a huge difference between rising crime is bad and rising crime is a direct result of recent Moco policies. The fact that crime is rising everywhere and MoCo doesn’t seem to have adopted significant changes with respect to violent crime are both relevant to considering posters claims that things are going to hell because MoCo is too liberal.

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LOL, yea let's compare it to a year nobody left there house and bars were closed. Jeez, such brain damage in the right.

That number of homicides is the highest the county has seen since the 90s.

But here's the thing. People don't experience violence equally. Most of the violence is occurring in small parts of the county -- equity focus areas. So when you "reform" the criminal justice system and take away both enforcement and consequences, you end up hurting African Americans for the most part. And then to a certain extent, Latino residents.

Please explain what specific steps have been taken in MoCo to take away enforcement and consequences?

Please read the Reimagining Public Safety Task Force findings, which call for a 50% reduction in force in Silver Spring and Wheaton specifically. It also calls for no arrests for “crimes against society,” eliminating drug enforcement officers, etc:
https://montgomerycountymd.gov/rps/Resources/Files/reports/rps-task-force-recommendations-report.pdf

This is the culture in which MCPD works, one in which the council and exec believe that crime will go down if there are fewer officers. Read the report. That language is all through it.

This is terrifying.

Agree. And yet, voters in MoCo will continue to vote for anyone with ‘Democrat’ by their name. Without fail.

[Anonymous]

It’s comical the lengths people will go to avoid admitting that crime is rising and to analyze the causes of the very real crime increase.

It’s sort of like how inflation wasn’t a thing, then was transient and was then finally known to be a real issue.

Perhaps this culture of lenient progressive criminal justice reform, and it’s policies that, while well intended, actually exacerbate crime. If criminals know they’ll have less consequences it stands to reason they’ll be more brash about it. I’m not a rocket scientist, and I understand the pandemic had some residual effects, but really, in DC we left teens off with a slap on the wrist. We’ve have Charles Allen types who implement things like the Youth Rehabilitation act, or who want to allow jury trials for all misdemeanors which would gum up the courts (even if phased in slowly), or when he blamed the city for not cleaning up leaves quickly enough when teens were lighting them on fire under cars in SE.

It’s just comical. There are so many impressionable sheep willing to sacrifice their own safety because some misguided social justice activists tell them incarceration isn’t fair to violent criminals. I mean honestly this is why elections are lost. Not in dc obviously because we are super progressive and don’t have the votes for a more centrist city counsel or even anyone willing to run against incumbents, but they’re lost in places where they can vote for alternate candidates. You can’t lie to people, tell them to stop worrying, tell them “crime was worse in the 80’s!!!!l” and act as if that’s helpful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s comical the lengths people will go to avoid admitting that crime is rising and to analyze the causes of the very real crime increase.

It’s sort of like how inflation wasn’t a thing, then was transient and was then finally known to be a real issue.

Perhaps this culture of lenient progressive criminal justice reform, and it’s policies that, while well intended, actually exacerbate crime. If criminals know they’ll have less consequences it stands to reason they’ll be more brash about it. I’m not a rocket scientist, and I understand the pandemic had some residual effects, but really, in DC we left teens off with a slap on the wrist. We’ve have Charles Allen types who implement things like the Youth Rehabilitation act, or who want to allow jury trials for all misdemeanors which would gum up the courts (even if phased in slowly), or when he blamed the city for not cleaning up leaves quickly enough when teens were lighting them on fire under cars in SE.

It’s just comical. There are so many impressionable sheep willing to sacrifice their own safety because some misguided social justice activists tell them incarceration isn’t fair to violent criminals. I mean honestly this is why elections are lost. Not in dc obviously because we are super progressive and don’t have the votes for a more centrist city counsel or even anyone willing to run against incumbents, but they’re lost in places where they can vote for alternate candidates. You can’t lie to people, tell them to stop worrying, tell them “crime was worse in the 80’s!!!!l” and act as if that’s helpful.

What is difficult for Charles Allen-types to understand is that we need to create a system that actually prevents crime and rehabilitates criminals. Absolving bad behavers of responsibility is not it, and creates the perception that criminality is a legitimate and sustainable life path.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s comical the lengths people will go to avoid admitting that crime is rising and to analyze the causes of the very real crime increase.

It’s sort of like how inflation wasn’t a thing, then was transient and was then finally known to be a real issue.

Perhaps this culture of lenient progressive criminal justice reform, and it’s policies that, while well intended, actually exacerbate crime. If criminals know they’ll have less consequences it stands to reason they’ll be more brash about it. I’m not a rocket scientist, and I understand the pandemic had some residual effects, but really, in DC we left teens off with a slap on the wrist. We’ve have Charles Allen types who implement things like the Youth Rehabilitation act, or who want to allow jury trials for all misdemeanors which would gum up the courts (even if phased in slowly), or when he blamed the city for not cleaning up leaves quickly enough when teens were lighting them on fire under cars in SE.

It’s just comical. There are so many impressionable sheep willing to sacrifice their own safety because some misguided social justice activists tell them incarceration isn’t fair to violent criminals. I mean honestly this is why elections are lost. Not in dc obviously because we are super progressive and don’t have the votes for a more centrist city counsel or even anyone willing to run against incumbents, but they’re lost in places where they can vote for alternate candidates. You can’t lie to people, tell them to stop worrying, tell them “crime was worse in the 80’s!!!!l” and act as if that’s helpful.

What is difficult for Charles Allen-types to understand is that we need to create a system that actually prevents crime and rehabilitates criminals. Absolving bad behavers of responsibility is not it, and creates the perception that criminality is a legitimate and sustainable life path.

And what is difficult for many people to understand is that there’s no obvious cause or solution to increased violence. It’s happening in a lots of difference places under lots of different politicians. It’s a whole bunch of factors and reversing it is not going to be easy or simple— certainly not just locking everyone up.

If you can figure out how to create a criminal justice system that prevents crime and rehabilitates criminals let us know because that’s clearly not what we have anywhere and I think everyone would be interested

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s comical the lengths people will go to avoid admitting that crime is rising and to analyze the causes of the very real crime increase.

It’s sort of like how inflation wasn’t a thing, then was transient and was then finally known to be a real issue.

Perhaps this culture of lenient progressive criminal justice reform, and it’s policies that, while well intended, actually exacerbate crime. If criminals know they’ll have less consequences it stands to reason they’ll be more brash about it. I’m not a rocket scientist, and I understand the pandemic had some residual effects, but really, in DC we left teens off with a slap on the wrist. We’ve have Charles Allen types who implement things like the Youth Rehabilitation act, or who want to allow jury trials for all misdemeanors which would gum up the courts (even if phased in slowly), or when he blamed the city for not cleaning up leaves quickly enough when teens were lighting them on fire under cars in SE.

It’s just comical. There are so many impressionable sheep willing to sacrifice their own safety because some misguided social justice activists tell them incarceration isn’t fair to violent criminals. I mean honestly this is why elections are lost. Not in dc obviously because we are super progressive and don’t have the votes for a more centrist city counsel or even anyone willing to run against incumbents, but they’re lost in places where they can vote for alternate candidates. You can’t lie to people, tell them to stop worrying, tell them “crime was worse in the 80’s!!!!l” and act as if that’s helpful.

What is difficult for Charles Allen-types to understand is that we need to create a system that actually prevents crime and rehabilitates criminals. Absolving bad behavers of responsibility is not it, and creates the perception that criminality is a legitimate and sustainable life path.

And what is difficult for many people to understand is that there’s no obvious cause or solution to increased violence. It’s happening in a lots of difference places under lots of different politicians. It’s a whole bunch of factors and reversing it is not going to be easy or simple— certainly not just locking everyone up.

If you can figure out how to create a criminal justice system that prevents crime and rehabilitates criminals let us know because that’s clearly not what we have anywhere and I think everyone would be interested

Word salad.

You can’t prevent crime, but there is the tried and true method, done throughout history, of punishing violent criminals. If we go this lenient progressive criminal justice route and just give the impression certain crimes are tolerated then we’ve lost.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s comical the lengths people will go to avoid admitting that crime is rising and to analyze the causes of the very real crime increase.

It’s sort of like how inflation wasn’t a thing, then was transient and was then finally known to be a real issue.

Perhaps this culture of lenient progressive criminal justice reform, and it’s policies that, while well intended, actually exacerbate crime. If criminals know they’ll have less consequences it stands to reason they’ll be more brash about it. I’m not a rocket scientist, and I understand the pandemic had some residual effects, but really, in DC we left teens off with a slap on the wrist. We’ve have Charles Allen types who implement things like the Youth Rehabilitation act, or who want to allow jury trials for all misdemeanors which would gum up the courts (even if phased in slowly), or when he blamed the city for not cleaning up leaves quickly enough when teens were lighting them on fire under cars in SE.

It’s just comical. There are so many impressionable sheep willing to sacrifice their own safety because some misguided social justice activists tell them incarceration isn’t fair to violent criminals. I mean honestly this is why elections are lost. Not in dc obviously because we are super progressive and don’t have the votes for a more centrist city counsel or even anyone willing to run against incumbents, but they’re lost in places where they can vote for alternate candidates. You can’t lie to people, tell them to stop worrying, tell them “crime was worse in the 80’s!!!!l” and act as if that’s helpful.

What is difficult for Charles Allen-types to understand is that we need to create a system that actually prevents crime and rehabilitates criminals. Absolving bad behavers of responsibility is not it, and creates the perception that criminality is a legitimate and sustainable life path.

And what is difficult for many people to understand is that there’s no obvious cause or solution to increased violence. It’s happening in a lots of difference places under lots of different politicians. It’s a whole bunch of factors and reversing it is not going to be easy or simple— certainly not just locking everyone up.

If you can figure out how to create a criminal justice system that prevents crime and rehabilitates criminals let us know because that’s clearly not what we have anywhere and I think everyone would be interested

It's obvious that violence has many causes, but doing nothing will not solve the problem. Charles Allen practically wants to incentivize crime. You need to look outside the US for the answers to rehabilitation because our system is a mess. It can be done.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo has been circling the drain for 20 years. Its momentum is increasing as it gets closer to the bottom.

Crime was higher 20 years ago..

The benchmark shouldn't be the worst crime rates. The benchmark should be the lowest crime rates. In 2013 we only had 8 homicides.

It's disingenuous to say we have been going down for 20 years we have not. 2013 was a dip but this year isn't even a spike, it's only a spike compared to the lowest years. Crime is high everywhere, crime here is low in comparison... in comparison to the rest of the US, in comparison to most years in the last 20 years.

This is pathetic. Would you ever say that anti-trans bigotry is rising everywhere in America and therefore rising anti-trans bigotry is tolerable in Montgomery County? But somehow you think it’s okay to say this about crime. It says a lot about you and your standards.

Your logic is flawed.

If anti-trans bigotry was low, then fell to an even lower level and had a slight spike to the previous low level I would not freak out. Listen I get it you are desperate; you want the Republicans to be able to regulate women and keep the black man down. It's not gonna happen no matter how many ridiculous statements you make online.

You can't just admit that cops beat the crap out of people for years with no prosecutions and now things are changing, changing is hard. Go hug your blankie.

[Anonymous]

Why can't you just admit you hate blacks lol. That's all it is, you think they're all criminals and want them locked up. Be honest!

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo is becoming more vibrant and diverse. This is a feature not a bug.

Just say you hate hispanics and blacks and be done with it.

Nope. I hate white liberals who treat POC like they were pets. Poor, simple creatures who can’t look after themselves without the intervention and guiding white hand reaching down from their ivory tower to care for them, since they can’t take care of themselves. Your polices have destroyed generations of black families. And your soft on crime nonsense has ensured they live in neighborhoods saturated with crime. I’m glad to see the fruits of all your labor coming to bear in your own communities now, too. This is what you have wrought, and now it’s on your doorstep. Good.

This person probably crosses the street when a black man walks by. You don't care about them, you have an agenda to push.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MoCo has been circling the drain for 20 years. Its momentum is increasing as it gets closer to the bottom.

Crime was higher 20 years ago..

The benchmark shouldn't be the worst crime rates. The benchmark should be the lowest crime rates. In 2013 we only had 8 homicides.

It's disingenuous to say we have been going down for 20 years we have not. 2013 was a dip but this year isn't even a spike, it's only a spike compared to the lowest years. Crime is high everywhere, crime here is low in comparison... in comparison to the rest of the US, in comparison to most years in the last 20 years.

This is pathetic. Would you ever say that anti-trans bigotry is rising everywhere in America and therefore rising anti-trans bigotry is tolerable in Montgomery County? But somehow you think it’s okay to say this about crime. It says a lot about you and your standards.

Not that PP but there is a huge difference between rising crime is bad and rising crime is a direct result of recent Moco policies. The fact that crime is rising everywhere and MoCo doesn’t seem to have adopted significant changes with respect to violent crime are both relevant to considering posters claims that things are going to hell because MoCo is too liberal.

Your logic is flawed because crime is not rising everywhere. Furthermore, the most closely analogous jurisdiction to Montgomery County is Fairfax and they not only have lower crime overall but even if crime is rising, it is rising also at a lower rate. Violent crime in Montgomery County has exploded. Aggravated assaults have nearly doubled since 2020.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MoCo has been circling the drain for 20 years. Its momentum is increasing as it gets closer to the bottom.

Crime was higher 20 years ago..

The benchmark shouldn't be the worst crime rates. The benchmark should be the lowest crime rates. In 2013 we only had 8 homicides.

It's disingenuous to say we have been going down for 20 years we have not. 2013 was a dip but this year isn't even a spike, it's only a spike compared to the lowest years. Crime is high everywhere, crime here is low in comparison... in comparison to the rest of the US, in comparison to most years in the last 20 years.

This is pathetic. Would you ever say that anti-trans bigotry is rising everywhere in America and therefore rising anti-trans bigotry is tolerable in Montgomery County? But somehow you think it’s okay to say this about crime. It says a lot about you and your standards.

Not that PP but there is a huge difference between rising crime is bad and rising crime is a direct result of recent Moco policies. The fact that crime is rising everywhere and MoCo doesn’t seem to have adopted significant changes with respect to violent crime are both relevant to considering posters claims that things are going to hell because MoCo is too liberal.

Your logic is flawed because crime is not rising everywhere. Furthermore, the most closely analogous jurisdiction to Montgomery County is Fairfax and they not only have lower crime overall but even if crime is rising, it is rising also at a lower rate. Violent crime in Montgomery County has exploded. Aggravated assaults have nearly doubled since 2020.

Really? Crime is down in Tysons corner? No it’s not.

Keep lying, there are some ignorant people that might buy it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MoCo has been circling the drain for 20 years. Its momentum is increasing as it gets closer to the bottom.

Crime was higher 20 years ago..

The benchmark shouldn't be the worst crime rates. The benchmark should be the lowest crime rates. In 2013 we only had 8 homicides.

It's disingenuous to say we have been going down for 20 years we have not. 2013 was a dip but this year isn't even a spike, it's only a spike compared to the lowest years. Crime is high everywhere, crime here is low in comparison... in comparison to the rest of the US, in comparison to most years in the last 20 years.

This is pathetic. Would you ever say that anti-trans bigotry is rising everywhere in America and therefore rising anti-trans bigotry is tolerable in Montgomery County? But somehow you think it’s okay to say this about crime. It says a lot about you and your standards.

Not that PP but there is a huge difference between rising crime is bad and rising crime is a direct result of recent Moco policies. The fact that crime is rising everywhere and MoCo doesn’t seem to have adopted significant changes with respect to violent crime are both relevant to considering posters claims that things are going to hell because MoCo is too liberal.

Your logic is flawed because crime is not rising everywhere. Furthermore, the most closely analogous jurisdiction to Montgomery County is Fairfax and they not only have lower crime overall but even if crime is rising, it is rising also at a lower rate. Violent crime in Montgomery County has exploded. Aggravated assaults have nearly doubled since 2020.

Really? Crime is down in Tysons corner? No it’s not.

Keep lying, there are some ignorant people that might buy it.

Are you okay that Montgomery County has significantly more bias crimes than Fairfax and that these crimes are rising in Montgomery County faster?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MoCo has been circling the drain for 20 years. Its momentum is increasing as it gets closer to the bottom.

Crime was higher 20 years ago..

The benchmark shouldn't be the worst crime rates. The benchmark should be the lowest crime rates. In 2013 we only had 8 homicides.

It's disingenuous to say we have been going down for 20 years we have not. 2013 was a dip but this year isn't even a spike, it's only a spike compared to the lowest years. Crime is high everywhere, crime here is low in comparison... in comparison to the rest of the US, in comparison to most years in the last 20 years.

This is pathetic. Would you ever say that anti-trans bigotry is rising everywhere in America and therefore rising anti-trans bigotry is tolerable in Montgomery County? But somehow you think it’s okay to say this about crime. It says a lot about you and your standards.

Not that PP but there is a huge difference between rising crime is bad and rising crime is a direct result of recent Moco policies. The fact that crime is rising everywhere and MoCo doesn’t seem to have adopted significant changes with respect to violent crime are both relevant to considering posters claims that things are going to hell because MoCo is too liberal.

Your logic is flawed because crime is not rising everywhere. Furthermore, the most closely analogous jurisdiction to Montgomery County is Fairfax and they not only have lower crime overall but even if crime is rising, it is rising also at a lower rate. Violent crime in Montgomery County has exploded. Aggravated assaults have nearly doubled since 2020.

Really? Crime is down in Tysons corner? No it’s not.

Keep lying, there are some ignorant people that might buy it.

Are you okay that Montgomery County has significantly more bias crimes than Fairfax and that these crimes are rising in Montgomery County faster?

Citation please. Where (and what) are these increasing “bias crimes” in Montgomery County and where is comparative data from Fairfax?