More Bethesda Violent Crime: Shots Fired at Pike & Rose

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't you just admit you hate blacks lol. That's all it is, you think they're all criminals and want them locked up. Be honest!

It's racist to assume that only Black people commit crime and that the Black community doesn't deserve safety.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't you just admit you hate blacks lol. That's all it is, you think they're all criminals and want them locked up. Be honest!

It's racist to assume that only Black people commit crime and that the Black community doesn't deserve safety.

+1. Ignore the typical unhinged DCUMoron posters that want to make everything about racism while they themselves live in an all white neighborhood and call blacks people “blacks”.

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo has been circling the drain for 20 years. Its momentum is increasing as it gets closer to the bottom.

Crime was higher 20 years ago..

The benchmark shouldn't be the worst crime rates. The benchmark should be the lowest crime rates. In 2013 we only had 8 homicides.

It's disingenuous to say we have been going down for 20 years we have not. 2013 was a dip but this year isn't even a spike, it's only a spike compared to the lowest years. Crime is high everywhere, crime here is low in comparison... in comparison to the rest of the US, in comparison to most years in the last 20 years.

This is pathetic. Would you ever say that anti-trans bigotry is rising everywhere in America and therefore rising anti-trans bigotry is tolerable in Montgomery County? But somehow you think it’s okay to say this about crime. It says a lot about you and your standards.

Not that PP but there is a huge difference between rising crime is bad and rising crime is a direct result of recent Moco policies. The fact that crime is rising everywhere and MoCo doesn’t seem to have adopted significant changes with respect to violent crime are both relevant to considering posters claims that things are going to hell because MoCo is too liberal.

Your logic is flawed because crime is not rising everywhere. Furthermore, the most closely analogous jurisdiction to Montgomery County is Fairfax and they not only have lower crime overall but even if crime is rising, it is rising also at a lower rate. Violent crime in Montgomery County has exploded. Aggravated assaults have nearly doubled since 2020.

Really? Crime is down in Tysons corner? No it’s not.

Keep lying, there are some ignorant people that might buy it.

Are you okay that Montgomery County has significantly more bias crimes than Fairfax and that these crimes are rising in Montgomery County faster?

I am okay with the historically low crime rate with a small increase during a global pandemic.

I'm also okay with a very high test scores in school having a dip for a year considering that dip is still higher than most of the test scores Montgomery County has post in the last few decades.

Are you okay with Tyson's crime spree? Shall we get rid of the metro in Montgomery County and Tyson's?

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It truly is concerning.

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo has been circling the drain for 20 years. Its momentum is increasing as it gets closer to the bottom.

Crime was higher 20 years ago..

The benchmark shouldn't be the worst crime rates. The benchmark should be the lowest crime rates. In 2013 we only had 8 homicides.

It's disingenuous to say we have been going down for 20 years we have not. 2013 was a dip but this year isn't even a spike, it's only a spike compared to the lowest years. Crime is high everywhere, crime here is low in comparison... in comparison to the rest of the US, in comparison to most years in the last 20 years.

This is pathetic. Would you ever say that anti-trans bigotry is rising everywhere in America and therefore rising anti-trans bigotry is tolerable in Montgomery County? But somehow you think it’s okay to say this about crime. It says a lot about you and your standards.

Not that PP but there is a huge difference between rising crime is bad and rising crime is a direct result of recent Moco policies. The fact that crime is rising everywhere and MoCo doesn’t seem to have adopted significant changes with respect to violent crime are both relevant to considering posters claims that things are going to hell because MoCo is too liberal.

Your logic is flawed because crime is not rising everywhere. Furthermore, the most closely analogous jurisdiction to Montgomery County is Fairfax and they not only have lower crime overall but even if crime is rising, it is rising also at a lower rate. Violent crime in Montgomery County has exploded. Aggravated assaults have nearly doubled since 2020.

Really? Crime is down in Tysons corner? No it’s not.

Keep lying, there are some ignorant people that might buy it.

Are you okay that Montgomery County has significantly more bias crimes than Fairfax and that these crimes are rising in Montgomery County faster?

Citation please. Where (and what) are these increasing “bias crimes” in Montgomery County and where is comparative data from Fairfax?

Leave Marky Mark et.al alone, he's not gonna let go of the bone and a very niche crime statistic that supports his wildly uneducated opinions.

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo has been circling the drain for 20 years. Its momentum is increasing as it gets closer to the bottom.

Crime was higher 20 years ago..

The benchmark shouldn't be the worst crime rates. The benchmark should be the lowest crime rates. In 2013 we only had 8 homicides.

It's disingenuous to say we have been going down for 20 years we have not. 2013 was a dip but this year isn't even a spike, it's only a spike compared to the lowest years. Crime is high everywhere, crime here is low in comparison... in comparison to the rest of the US, in comparison to most years in the last 20 years.

This is pathetic. Would you ever say that anti-trans bigotry is rising everywhere in America and therefore rising anti-trans bigotry is tolerable in Montgomery County? But somehow you think it’s okay to say this about crime. It says a lot about you and your standards.

Not that PP but there is a huge difference between rising crime is bad and rising crime is a direct result of recent Moco policies. The fact that crime is rising everywhere and MoCo doesn’t seem to have adopted significant changes with respect to violent crime are both relevant to considering posters claims that things are going to hell because MoCo is too liberal.

Your logic is flawed because crime is not rising everywhere. Furthermore, the most closely analogous jurisdiction to Montgomery County is Fairfax and they not only have lower crime overall but even if crime is rising, it is rising also at a lower rate. Violent crime in Montgomery County has exploded. Aggravated assaults have nearly doubled since 2020.

Really? Crime is down in Tysons corner? No it’s not.

Keep lying, there are some ignorant people that might buy it.

Are you okay that Montgomery County has significantly more bias crimes than Fairfax and that these crimes are rising in Montgomery County faster?

Citation please. Where (and what) are these increasing “bias crimes” in Montgomery County and where is comparative data from Fairfax?

It’s hilarious that this is the only crime that you seem to care about. Both counties report this data, you can seek it out yourself. I would mention your “ignorance” because you don’t care about actual crime. I guess rising bias crimes are a national phenomenon so we should just accept them in our community, right? Or do we want the county to do something about it?

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo has been circling the drain for 20 years. Its momentum is increasing as it gets closer to the bottom.

Crime was higher 20 years ago..

The benchmark shouldn't be the worst crime rates. The benchmark should be the lowest crime rates. In 2013 we only had 8 homicides.

It's disingenuous to say we have been going down for 20 years we have not. 2013 was a dip but this year isn't even a spike, it's only a spike compared to the lowest years. Crime is high everywhere, crime here is low in comparison... in comparison to the rest of the US, in comparison to most years in the last 20 years.

This is pathetic. Would you ever say that anti-trans bigotry is rising everywhere in America and therefore rising anti-trans bigotry is tolerable in Montgomery County? But somehow you think it’s okay to say this about crime. It says a lot about you and your standards.

Not that PP but there is a huge difference between rising crime is bad and rising crime is a direct result of recent Moco policies. The fact that crime is rising everywhere and MoCo doesn’t seem to have adopted significant changes with respect to violent crime are both relevant to considering posters claims that things are going to hell because MoCo is too liberal.

Your logic is flawed because crime is not rising everywhere. Furthermore, the most closely analogous jurisdiction to Montgomery County is Fairfax and they not only have lower crime overall but even if crime is rising, it is rising also at a lower rate. Violent crime in Montgomery County has exploded. Aggravated assaults have nearly doubled since 2020.

Really? Crime is down in Tysons corner? No it’s not.

Keep lying, there are some ignorant people that might buy it.

Are you okay that Montgomery County has significantly more bias crimes than Fairfax and that these crimes are rising in Montgomery County faster?

Citation please. Where (and what) are these increasing “bias crimes” in Montgomery County and where is comparative data from Fairfax?

It’s hilarious that this is the only crime that you seem to care about. Both counties report this data, you can seek it out yourself. I would mention your “ignorance” because you don’t care about actual crime. I guess rising bias crimes are a national phenomenon so we should just accept them in our community, right? Or do we want the county to do something about it?

So you have no support for your argument. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo has been circling the drain for 20 years. Its momentum is increasing as it gets closer to the bottom.

Crime was higher 20 years ago..

The benchmark shouldn't be the worst crime rates. The benchmark should be the lowest crime rates. In 2013 we only had 8 homicides.

It's disingenuous to say we have been going down for 20 years we have not. 2013 was a dip but this year isn't even a spike, it's only a spike compared to the lowest years. Crime is high everywhere, crime here is low in comparison... in comparison to the rest of the US, in comparison to most years in the last 20 years.

This is pathetic. Would you ever say that anti-trans bigotry is rising everywhere in America and therefore rising anti-trans bigotry is tolerable in Montgomery County? But somehow you think it’s okay to say this about crime. It says a lot about you and your standards.

Not that PP but there is a huge difference between rising crime is bad and rising crime is a direct result of recent Moco policies. The fact that crime is rising everywhere and MoCo doesn’t seem to have adopted significant changes with respect to violent crime are both relevant to considering posters claims that things are going to hell because MoCo is too liberal.

Your logic is flawed because crime is not rising everywhere. Furthermore, the most closely analogous jurisdiction to Montgomery County is Fairfax and they not only have lower crime overall but even if crime is rising, it is rising also at a lower rate. Violent crime in Montgomery County has exploded. Aggravated assaults have nearly doubled since 2020.

Really? Crime is down in Tysons corner? No it’s not.

Keep lying, there are some ignorant people that might buy it.

Are you okay that Montgomery County has significantly more bias crimes than Fairfax and that these crimes are rising in Montgomery County faster?

Citation please. Where (and what) are these increasing “bias crimes” in Montgomery County and where is comparative data from Fairfax?

It’s hilarious that this is the only crime that you seem to care about. Both counties report this data, you can seek it out yourself. I would mention your “ignorance” because you don’t care about actual crime. I guess rising bias crimes are a national phenomenon so we should just accept them in our community, right? Or do we want the county to do something about it?

So you have no support for your argument. Got it.

Your problem is that you think this is an argument. It is not. There are facts and there are opinions. The facts are that hate crimes are on the rise in Montgomery County. Your opinion is that this is meaningless because crime is rising everywhere and to point this out is evidently racist. You’re a moron.

Hate Crimes On The Rise In Montgomery County, Alarming Leaders
https://patch.com/maryland/gaithersburg/hate-crimes-rise-montgomery-county-alarming-leaders

“In 2021, there were 143 reported bias incidents, 22.2% more than the number of bias incidents reported in 2020 (117). This is the highest number of bias-related incidents reported to the MCPD since internal reporting processes changed in 2015 and is a 16.3% increase from the second-highest total in 2017 when 123 incidents were reported.”
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/BiasIncidents/MCPD%202021%20Annual%20Report%20on%20Bias.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo has been circling the drain for 20 years. Its momentum is increasing as it gets closer to the bottom.

Crime was higher 20 years ago..

The benchmark shouldn't be the worst crime rates. The benchmark should be the lowest crime rates. In 2013 we only had 8 homicides.

It's disingenuous to say we have been going down for 20 years we have not. 2013 was a dip but this year isn't even a spike, it's only a spike compared to the lowest years. Crime is high everywhere, crime here is low in comparison... in comparison to the rest of the US, in comparison to most years in the last 20 years.

This is pathetic. Would you ever say that anti-trans bigotry is rising everywhere in America and therefore rising anti-trans bigotry is tolerable in Montgomery County? But somehow you think it’s okay to say this about crime. It says a lot about you and your standards.

Not that PP but there is a huge difference between rising crime is bad and rising crime is a direct result of recent Moco policies. The fact that crime is rising everywhere and MoCo doesn’t seem to have adopted significant changes with respect to violent crime are both relevant to considering posters claims that things are going to hell because MoCo is too liberal.

Your logic is flawed because crime is not rising everywhere. Furthermore, the most closely analogous jurisdiction to Montgomery County is Fairfax and they not only have lower crime overall but even if crime is rising, it is rising also at a lower rate. Violent crime in Montgomery County has exploded. Aggravated assaults have nearly doubled since 2020.

Really? Crime is down in Tysons corner? No it’s not.

Keep lying, there are some ignorant people that might buy it.

Are you okay that Montgomery County has significantly more bias crimes than Fairfax and that these crimes are rising in Montgomery County faster?

Citation please. Where (and what) are these increasing “bias crimes” in Montgomery County and where is comparative data from Fairfax?

It’s hilarious that this is the only crime that you seem to care about. Both counties report this data, you can seek it out yourself. I would mention your “ignorance” because you don’t care about actual crime. I guess rising bias crimes are a national phenomenon so we should just accept them in our community, right? Or do we want the county to do something about it?

So you have no support for your argument. Got it.

Your problem is that you think this is an argument. It is not. There are facts and there are opinions. The facts are that hate crimes are on the rise in Montgomery County. Your opinion is that this is meaningless because crime is rising everywhere and to point this out is evidently racist. You’re a moron.

Hate Crimes On The Rise In Montgomery County, Alarming Leaders
https://patch.com/maryland/gaithersburg/hate-crimes-rise-montgomery-county-alarming-leaders

“In 2021, there were 143 reported bias incidents, 22.2% more than the number of bias incidents reported in 2020 (117). This is the highest number of bias-related incidents reported to the MCPD since internal reporting processes changed in 2015 and is a 16.3% increase from the second-highest total in 2017 when 123 incidents were reported.”
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/BiasIncidents/MCPD%202021%20Annual%20Report%20on%20Bias.pdf

You are attributing an argument to me that I did not make. Where did I make any argument that I care about one type of crime more than any other? Also, personal attacks only weaken your argument.

My argument above (which has been supported by two sources I posted) is that crime IN GENERAL is increasing in the county, that would include hate crimes. I actually pointed to this data already. My concern is that the county council and exec are putting policies in place that will further support criminal behavior. I’ve posted support for that, as well.

Perhaps my only “moronic” behavior is assuming this thread can get back on track?

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LOL, yea let's compare it to a year nobody left there house and bars were closed. Jeez, such brain damage in the right.

That number of homicides is the highest the county has seen since the 90s.

But here's the thing. People don't experience violence equally. Most of the violence is occurring in small parts of the county -- equity focus areas. So when you "reform" the criminal justice system and take away both enforcement and consequences, you end up hurting African Americans for the most part. And then to a certain extent, Latino residents.

Please explain what specific steps have been taken in MoCo to take away enforcement and consequences?

Please read the Reimagining Public Safety Task Force findings, which call for a 50% reduction in force in Silver Spring and Wheaton specifically. It also calls for no arrests for “crimes against society,” eliminating drug enforcement officers, etc:
https://montgomerycountymd.gov/rps/Resources/Files/reports/rps-task-force-recommendations-report.pdf

This is the culture in which MCPD works, one in which the council and exec believe that crime will go down if there are fewer officers. Read the report. That language is all through it.

This is terrifying.

The General Assembly and the County Council have passed laws that limit police's ability to investigate and enforce crimes. From limiting search warrants to limiting crimes young kids can be charged with (gangs will now get super young kids to do a lot of their drug work), to cutting key positions out of the budget. Both Elrich and Jawando want to do more. Now that Jawando's traffic report has dropped, I am sure this is teeing him up to introduce a bill further limiting traffic stops.

Police have pulled almost a thousand illegal guns off the streets this year. And that proactive enforcement might very well be the reason there have been no homicides in Silver Spring this year.

But guess where they get them? Traffic stops. Often traffic stops because the car smells like weed.
Guess what's about to be legalized? So watch closely as the General Assembly, Elrich, and/or Jawando attempt to bar police from pulling over a car that smells like marijuana, ostensibly checking for DUI. But they often find guns.

Elrich and Jawando:
They have already compromised our traffic safety by cutting traffic enforcement positions.
They have already compromised our general safety by cutting two specialized teams, one in Bethesda and one in Rockville, that proactively went after criminals.
They have already cut the central auto theft unit.
They have already cut the police who did the theft-from-auto investigations in each district. Guess what our most common crime is in MoCo? People stealing stuff, including catalytic converters, from cars.

We have such a police shortage, Silver Spring is bringing in State Troopers to help with enforcement on weekends. https://www.sourceofthespring.com/silver-spring-news/2794526/crime-down-but-officer-shortage-impacts-downtown-silver-spring-commander-mcbain/

And when they tell you that they want police to solely focus on violent crime, please call them on their bull shi*t. They have no idea how policing works. They want to take away all the preventive work police do. And just make them respond to the homicide investigations.

You want cops to respond to a school shooting like Magruder? You have that. But you no longer have cops working in schools to prevent kids from getting shot or stabbed.
You want cops to respond to a murder scene to investigate? You have that. But you no longer have enough cops on the streets to help prevent the murders in the first place.

Jawando wants policing to go away. The leaves us to get hurt, or seek justice ourselves. And THAT's what's increasing violent crime -- a lot of vigilante justice on the streets.

Traffic stops because a car smells like weed are already illegal in MD. And the suggestion that violent crime is increasing because of a task force report or because low flight risk people are not being required to post bail for nonviolent offenses makes no sense.

No they aren’t. You absolutely can stop a car for the smell of weed.

Not in MD

https://wtop.com/maryland/2021/05/smell-of-marijuana-doesnt-justify-traffic-stops-rules-md-appeals-court/

That's a person stop. Not a traffic stop. They can still stop cars because it's illegal to drive under the influence of a drug.

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo is becoming more vibrant and diverse. This is a feature not a bug.

Just say you hate hispanics and blacks and be done with it.

Nope. I hate white liberals who treat POC like they were pets. Poor, simple creatures who can’t look after themselves without the intervention and guiding white hand reaching down from their ivory tower to care for them, since they can’t take care of themselves. Your polices have destroyed generations of black families. And your soft on crime nonsense has ensured they live in neighborhoods saturated with crime. I’m glad to see the fruits of all your labor coming to bear in your own communities now, too. This is what you have wrought, and now it’s on your doorstep. Good.

You are a vile disgusting creature. I reported your racist trash post. Go to hell.

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo is becoming more vibrant and diverse. This is a feature not a bug.

Just say you hate hispanics and blacks and be done with it.

Nope. I hate white liberals who treat POC like they were pets. Poor, simple creatures who can’t look after themselves without the intervention and guiding white hand reaching down from their ivory tower to care for them, since they can’t take care of themselves. Your polices have destroyed generations of black families. And your soft on crime nonsense has ensured they live in neighborhoods saturated with crime. I’m glad to see the fruits of all your labor coming to bear in your own communities now, too. This is what you have wrought, and now it’s on your doorstep. Good.

You are a vile disgusting creature. I reported your racist trash post. Go to hell.

Honest question, that I gingerly write, awaiting the backlash. But how is that post racist? There are a ton of BLACK people who feel the same way about performative white progressives.

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo is becoming more vibrant and diverse. This is a feature not a bug.

Just say you hate hispanics and blacks and be done with it.

Nope. I hate white liberals who treat POC like they were pets. Poor, simple creatures who can’t look after themselves without the intervention and guiding white hand reaching down from their ivory tower to care for them, since they can’t take care of themselves. Your polices have destroyed generations of black families. And your soft on crime nonsense has ensured they live in neighborhoods saturated with crime. I’m glad to see the fruits of all your labor coming to bear in your own communities now, too. This is what you have wrought, and now it’s on your doorstep. Good.

You are a vile disgusting creature. I reported your racist trash post. Go to hell.

Honest question, that I gingerly write, awaiting the backlash. But how is that post racist? There are a ton of BLACK people who feel the same way about performative white progressives.

DP and I would sincerely like to know which *progressive* policies the PPs think have harmed black families. Specifically.

Decades and decades of policies from all types of administrations have hurt black families. You know...allowing slavery...Jim Crow. Redlining. But you are claiming progressive policies are the problem. Please support this.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s just equity in the distribution of crime. If people keep voting soft-on-crime, soft-on-crime is what we are all going to get.

This is such a stupid analysis but I know that won't stop you from repeating it every time a crime is reported here.

The constant adolescent jabs from “equity” whiners are just childish people begging for attention. Starve them.

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo is becoming more vibrant and diverse. This is a feature not a bug.

Just say you hate hispanics and blacks and be done with it.

Nope. I hate white liberals who treat POC like they were pets. Poor, simple creatures who can’t look after themselves without the intervention and guiding white hand reaching down from their ivory tower to care for them, since they can’t take care of themselves. Your polices have destroyed generations of black families. And your soft on crime nonsense has ensured they live in neighborhoods saturated with crime. I’m glad to see the fruits of all your labor coming to bear in your own communities now, too. This is what you have wrought, and now it’s on your doorstep. Good.

You are a vile disgusting creature. I reported your racist trash post. Go to hell.

Honest question, that I gingerly write, awaiting the backlash. But how is that post racist? There are a ton of BLACK people who feel the same way about performative white progressives.

DP and I would sincerely like to know which *progressive* policies the PPs think have harmed black families. Specifically.

Decades and decades of policies from all types of administrations have hurt black families. You know...allowing slavery...Jim Crow. Redlining. But you are claiming progressive policies are the problem. Please support this.

Not that poster. De-policing disproportionately hurts Black families.

It's not the fact that it's progressive that hurts people. It's the fact that local leaders engage in superficial hashtag governance and don't drill down to the nuts and bolts of how a new, often upending policy should play out. If they don't carefully think out potential unintended consequences, and try to mitigate those before they implement wide-sweeping change, they end up hurting marginalized communities the most. And historically, those have been African Americans more than anyone else.

For example, it's important to build a governmental response infrastructure to non-criminal social disorder. Like mental health teams that respond without police. But removing police before these new programs show results is just dumb. And catering to the progressive ACAB crowd. People get hurt in the ensuing chaos. Leaders need to be smarter and less narcissistic about what "programs" they can attach their names to.