Stanford apologizes for limiting Jewish students in 1950s

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So the Jewish kids rejected in 1950 are now 90 and don't give a f*ck.

Just fix things going forward for all races, ethnicities and genders and mive along.

But it was the 50's, so the younger of that group is closer to 80. And being a child of one of them I can tell you they do care because they have faced a lifetime of discrimination and exclusion. I still encounter antisemitism from people who don't know I am 1/2 Jewish.

You experience it or observe it? If they don't know you are Jewish, you cannot experience antisemitism against you. The ability to pass means you do not experience the prejudice and in fact in some ways benefit from it, even if it might upset you to see antisemitism at work. It's still different from having it wielded against you.

It is people making disparaging remarks about Jews. To me that is experiencing antisemitism because it means I don't feel comfortable around these people or revealing my religious heritage. Call it what you want, but whatever the term it is unpleasant.

It's pointless to argue. We are the one group against which prejudice is always considered OK. Antisemitic beliefs are often so mainstream that people don't even realize they are anti-Semitic. We are the group that other oppressed or marginalized groups often scapegoat for their own problems, instead of looking at the dominant groups that are actually responsible. It's the nature of anti-Semitism.

It also ignores the effects of generational anti-Semitism. People see a few rich Jewish people and don't even know that most of us have parents and grandparents that lived in abject poverty because of overt anti-Semitism, and that there were official policies limiting Jewish participation in many areas, from housing to education. It was not like today's admissions policies, which are racist in their result but not overt - there were official policies even at Virginia state schools that limited the number of Jews, and many of us today have parents that got those rejection letters.

It's also the fear of literally being gunned down at the synagogue and always being the number one target of right wing hate groups. They talk about killing us, wear Nazi symbols, and spread that hatred in now-mainstream politics that even some of our friends support. That's not an easy thing to live with.

I don't put anything Jewish out at my house. I don't tell anyone I'm Jewish anymore. Just last week one of my neighbors had a few too many drinks and was sitting on his back deck ranting about how Jews are running the country. My neighbor. 50 feet away. I don't feel safe. I worry for my child.

I support anti-discrimination measures of all kinds, whether it be lgbtq or Asian or whatever. Most Jews do, and very actively so. But it hurts to be the only group that it's still OK to hate. Seeing the ignorant and dismissive posts in this thread makes me sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the Jewish kids rejected in 1950 are now 90 and don't give a f*ck.

Just fix things going forward for all races, ethnicities and genders and mive along.

But it was the 50's, so the younger of that group is closer to 80. And being a child of one of them I can tell you they do care because they have faced a lifetime of discrimination and exclusion. I still encounter antisemitism from people who don't know I am 1/2 Jewish.

You experience it or observe it? If they don't know you are Jewish, you cannot experience antisemitism against you. The ability to pass means you do not experience the prejudice and in fact in some ways benefit from it, even if it might upset you to see antisemitism at work. It's still different from having it wielded against you.

It is people making disparaging remarks about Jews. To me that is experiencing antisemitism because it means I don't feel comfortable around these people or revealing my religious heritage. Call it what you want, but whatever the term it is unpleasant.

It's pointless to argue. We are the one group against which prejudice is always considered OK. Antisemitic beliefs are often so mainstream that people don't even realize they are anti-Semitic. We are the group that other oppressed or marginalized groups often scapegoat for their own problems, instead of looking at the dominant groups that are actually responsible. It's the nature of anti-Semitism.

It also ignores the effects of generational anti-Semitism. People see a few rich Jewish people and don't even know that most of us have parents and grandparents that lived in abject poverty because of overt anti-Semitism, and that there were official policies limiting Jewish participation in many areas, from housing to education. It was not like today's admissions policies, which are racist in their result but not overt - there were official policies even at Virginia state schools that limited the number of Jews, and many of us today have parents that got those rejection letters.

It's also the fear of literally being gunned down at the synagogue and always being the number one target of right wing hate groups. They talk about killing us, wear Nazi symbols, and spread that hatred in now-mainstream politics that even some of our friends support. That's not an easy thing to live with.

I don't put anything Jewish out at my house. I don't tell anyone I'm Jewish anymore. Just last week one of my neighbors had a few too many drinks and was sitting on his back deck ranting about how Jews are running the country. My neighbor. 50 feet away. I don't feel safe. I worry for my child.

I support anti-discrimination measures of all kinds, whether it be lgbtq or Asian or whatever. Most Jews do, and very actively so. But it hurts to be the only group that it's still OK to hate. Seeing the ignorant and dismissive posts in this thread makes me sad.

You got that mixed up. Only group still ok to discriminate and mock are the Asians. This AAP forum proves that point everyday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the Jewish kids rejected in 1950 are now 90 and don't give a f*ck.

Just fix things going forward for all races, ethnicities and genders and mive along.

But it was the 50's, so the younger of that group is closer to 80. And being a child of one of them I can tell you they do care because they have faced a lifetime of discrimination and exclusion. I still encounter antisemitism from people who don't know I am 1/2 Jewish.

You experience it or observe it? If they don't know you are Jewish, you cannot experience antisemitism against you. The ability to pass means you do not experience the prejudice and in fact in some ways benefit from it, even if it might upset you to see antisemitism at work. It's still different from having it wielded against you.

It is people making disparaging remarks about Jews. To me that is experiencing antisemitism because it means I don't feel comfortable around these people or revealing my religious heritage. Call it what you want, but whatever the term it is unpleasant.

It's pointless to argue. We are the one group against which prejudice is always considered OK. Antisemitic beliefs are often so mainstream that people don't even realize they are anti-Semitic. We are the group that other oppressed or marginalized groups often scapegoat for their own problems, instead of looking at the dominant groups that are actually responsible. It's the nature of anti-Semitism.

It also ignores the effects of generational anti-Semitism. People see a few rich Jewish people and don't even know that most of us have parents and grandparents that lived in abject poverty because of overt anti-Semitism, and that there were official policies limiting Jewish participation in many areas, from housing to education. It was not like today's admissions policies, which are racist in their result but not overt - there were official policies even at Virginia state schools that limited the number of Jews, and many of us today have parents that got those rejection letters.

It's also the fear of literally being gunned down at the synagogue and always being the number one target of right wing hate groups. They talk about killing us, wear Nazi symbols, and spread that hatred in now-mainstream politics that even some of our friends support. That's not an easy thing to live with.

I don't put anything Jewish out at my house. I don't tell anyone I'm Jewish anymore. Just last week one of my neighbors had a few too many drinks and was sitting on his back deck ranting about how Jews are running the country. My neighbor. 50 feet away. I don't feel safe. I worry for my child.

I support anti-discrimination measures of all kinds, whether it be lgbtq or Asian or whatever. Most Jews do, and very actively so. But it hurts to be the only group that it's still OK to hate. Seeing the ignorant and dismissive posts in this thread makes me sad.

Literally no one said discrimination against Jews is okay.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://apnews.com/article/education-stanford-university-bce7f81c2d8f953ac18f034401546f2e

Schools are still limiting Asian sutdents today.

Apology to Asian Americans coming in 2090.

Some Jewish people will have to do some apologizing too, hopefully before then.

LOL I clicked to say exactly that. When is the apology to asians coming

For what? For not having 100% Asian population because they could if they just looked at stats?

Asians outperform most of other applicants on ECs, essays, LoRs, leadership skills, research awards etc. Asian do not excel only with gpas or SATs.

So sorry, Asians, you keep jumping through all the hoops the elite schools (all run by Democrats btw) hold up and still they despise and reject you. It's almost like prejudice is irrational or something.

Admitted at 3X their U.S. population.

Real rejection there.

/s

They care about education and work hard so little bit of discriminating some individuals is OK??

[Anonymous]

This is so woke. Why are they apologizing for something that occurred 70 years ago?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the Jewish kids rejected in 1950 are now 90 and don't give a f*ck.

Just fix things going forward for all races, ethnicities and genders and mive along.

But it was the 50's, so the younger of that group is closer to 80. And being a child of one of them I can tell you they do care because they have faced a lifetime of discrimination and exclusion. I still encounter antisemitism from people who don't know I am 1/2 Jewish.

You experience it or observe it? If they don't know you are Jewish, you cannot experience antisemitism against you. The ability to pass means you do not experience the prejudice and in fact in some ways benefit from it, even if it might upset you to see antisemitism at work. It's still different from having it wielded against you.

It is people making disparaging remarks about Jews. To me that is experiencing antisemitism because it means I don't feel comfortable around these people or revealing my religious heritage. Call it what you want, but whatever the term it is unpleasant.

It's pointless to argue. We are the one group against which prejudice is always considered OK. Antisemitic beliefs are often so mainstream that people don't even realize they are anti-Semitic. We are the group that other oppressed or marginalized groups often scapegoat for their own problems, instead of looking at the dominant groups that are actually responsible. It's the nature of anti-Semitism.

It also ignores the effects of generational anti-Semitism. People see a few rich Jewish people and don't even know that most of us have parents and grandparents that lived in abject poverty because of overt anti-Semitism, and that there were official policies limiting Jewish participation in many areas, from housing to education. It was not like today's admissions policies, which are racist in their result but not overt - there were official policies even at Virginia state schools that limited the number of Jews, and many of us today have parents that got those rejection letters.

It's also the fear of literally being gunned down at the synagogue and always being the number one target of right wing hate groups. They talk about killing us, wear Nazi symbols, and spread that hatred in now-mainstream politics that even some of our friends support. That's not an easy thing to live with.

I don't put anything Jewish out at my house. I don't tell anyone I'm Jewish anymore. Just last week one of my neighbors had a few too many drinks and was sitting on his back deck ranting about how Jews are running the country. My neighbor. 50 feet away. I don't feel safe. I worry for my child.

I support anti-discrimination measures of all kinds, whether it be lgbtq or Asian or whatever. Most Jews do, and very actively so. But it hurts to be the only group that it's still OK to hate. Seeing the ignorant and dismissive posts in this thread makes me sad.

I’m so sorry that happens. I know even in my UMC suburb we just had an anti-semetic incident. I don’t get how people can hold those feelings and I appreciate that it can be terrifying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is so woke. Why are they apologizing for something that occurred 70 years ago?

what is the right time to apologize for something so egregious?

The US apologized formerly to Japanese Americans who were placed in interment camps almost 40 years later.
East Germany apologized to Jews in 1990 - 45 years after the end of WWII.

The Japanese government have never officially apologized for their war mongering, enslaving and forced prostitution of women across Asia. A lot of Asians still harbor deep resentment of the Japanese over the fact that the Japanese government still refuses to acknowledge what they did in the early 1900s to the end of WWII.

It is never too late to apologize for systemic racism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so woke. Why are they apologizing for something that occurred 70 years ago?

what is the right time to apologize for something so egregious?

The US apologized formerly to Japanese Americans who were placed in interment camps almost 40 years later.
East Germany apologized to Jews in 1990 - 45 years after the end of WWII.

The Japanese government have never officially apologized for their war mongering, enslaving and forced prostitution of women across Asia. A lot of Asians still harbor deep resentment of the Japanese over the fact that the Japanese government still refuses to acknowledge what they did in the early 1900s to the end of WWII.

It is never too late to apologize for systemic racism.

None of the administrators at Stanford now were in charge when this occurred. They probably were still kids themselves. What’s the point of apologizing? They didn’t do it. Are they enrolling these now 80 year olds at Stanford? This is just performative wokeism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so woke. Why are they apologizing for something that occurred 70 years ago?

what is the right time to apologize for something so egregious?

The US apologized formerly to Japanese Americans who were placed in interment camps almost 40 years later.
East Germany apologized to Jews in 1990 - 45 years after the end of WWII.

The Japanese government have never officially apologized for their war mongering, enslaving and forced prostitution of women across Asia. A lot of Asians still harbor deep resentment of the Japanese over the fact that the Japanese government still refuses to acknowledge what they did in the early 1900s to the end of WWII.

It is never too late to apologize for systemic racism.

The Japanese government has officially apologized numerous times, probably much more than any other governments who were colonial powers like the UK, France, Spain, Belgium, etc.
Just because you don't know doesn't mean it didn't happen.
People also need to learn to put the past behind and progress.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan

[Anonymous]

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Asians outperform most of other applicants on ECs, essays, LoRs, leadership skills, research awards etc. Asian do not excel only with gpas or SATs.

This statement tries to makes things that are very subjective appear objective. I definitely agree that Asian students don't only excel academically though. That is a misconception based on unconscious bias or outright racism.

[Anonymous]

The antisemitism and Asian hate still present in the US has been obvious lately. I think we can agree shameful acts shouldn't happen. It is also fine to completely disagree over the Harvard and UNC cases and affirmative action more generally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is so woke. Why are they apologizing for something that occurred 70 years ago?

What is the statute of limitations on apologies, and who gets to decide?

Let me know so I wait the exact maximum amount of time before I apologize for calling you an idiot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so woke. Why are they apologizing for something that occurred 70 years ago?

what is the right time to apologize for something so egregious?

The US apologized formerly to Japanese Americans who were placed in interment camps almost 40 years later.
East Germany apologized to Jews in 1990 - 45 years after the end of WWII.

The Japanese government have never officially apologized for their war mongering, enslaving and forced prostitution of women across Asia. A lot of Asians still harbor deep resentment of the Japanese over the fact that the Japanese government still refuses to acknowledge what they did in the early 1900s to the end of WWII.

It is never too late to apologize for systemic racism.

None of the administrators at Stanford now were in charge when this occurred. They probably were still kids themselves. What’s the point of apologizing? They didn’t do it. Are they enrolling these now 80 year olds at Stanford? This is just performative wokeism.

Countries, corporations, institutions are legal entities like people.
Every cell in your body is completely renewed in 7 years, but you are still you after 7 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so woke. Why are they apologizing for something that occurred 70 years ago?

what is the right time to apologize for something so egregious?

The US apologized formerly to Japanese Americans who were placed in interment camps almost 40 years later.
East Germany apologized to Jews in 1990 - 45 years after the end of WWII.

The Japanese government have never officially apologized for their war mongering, enslaving and forced prostitution of women across Asia. A lot of Asians still harbor deep resentment of the Japanese over the fact that the Japanese government still refuses to acknowledge what they did in the early 1900s to the end of WWII.

It is never too late to apologize for systemic racism.

None of the administrators at Stanford now were in charge when this occurred. They probably were still kids themselves. What’s the point of apologizing? They didn’t do it. Are they enrolling these now 80 year olds at Stanford? This is just performative wokeism.

Apologies matter. If your kid does something wrong, I hope you teach them to apologize. Even if there is no remedy. Sometimes the act of taking responsibility is enough. Apologies are not “woke”. Or if they are what you call “woke”, we should all be more woke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so woke. Why are they apologizing for something that occurred 70 years ago?

what is the right time to apologize for something so egregious?

The US apologized formerly to Japanese Americans who were placed in interment camps almost 40 years later.
East Germany apologized to Jews in 1990 - 45 years after the end of WWII.

The Japanese government have never officially apologized for their war mongering, enslaving and forced prostitution of women across Asia. A lot of Asians still harbor deep resentment of the Japanese over the fact that the Japanese government still refuses to acknowledge what they did in the early 1900s to the end of WWII.

It is never too late to apologize for systemic racism.

None of the administrators at Stanford now were in charge when this occurred. They probably were still kids themselves. What’s the point of apologizing? They didn’t do it. Are they enrolling these now 80 year olds at Stanford? This is just performative wokeism.

Apologies matter. If your kid does something wrong, I hope you teach them to apologize. Even if there is no remedy. Sometimes the act of taking responsibility is enough. Apologies are not “woke”. Or if they are what you call “woke”, we should all be more woke.

My kids apologize for things they do. They don’t apologize for things they didn’t do.