Is Johns Hopkins still desirable?

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Anonymous wrote:In’s surprised it’s done that well against Dartmouth

I imagine it's a lot of premeds who want to be at one of the premier medical research institutions versus getting drunk in the woods of New Hampshire.

I doubt Johns Hopkins pre-meds do better than Dartmouth pre-meds in medical school admissions. There is just a higher percentage of them.

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Anonymous wrote:It is the #7 school in the only ranking that matters to the overwhelming majority of people. That alone makes JHU desirable. Based on the formulas USNWR uses, that ranking is likely to go up.

I like JHU but it struggles to win students from other schools despite whatever US News ranks it, which indicates US News isn't really that influential and the perceptions of schools that people have are fairly fixed. Obviously it loses to Harvard, MIT, and Princeton by a lot, but here's how it fairs against some other top schools:

Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

The closest Johns Hopkins gets to winning a cross-admit battle is with Cornell, otherwise it gets handily defeated. It also does quite well against Dartmouth.

Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

It looks like Johns Hopkins is closer to schools like Rice, WashU, and Vanderbilt than the tippy-top schools like Stanford and Duke which are better than most of the Ivies anyways.

Who cares? We just got ranked #7 on US News this year so preferences won't change overnight. Of course I don't expect us to win the cross-admit battle with Yale, Stanford, or Duke, but the other schools you listed are fair game. We got the biggest donation in higher ed history from Bloomberg a few years ago the more time it has to take effect, the more cross-admits we'll win.

USNWR is influential, but there is a limit. Princeton has been ranked ahead of Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc., for quite a while now, but it doesn't seem to have made any inroads in cross-admit preferences. Harvard, despite not being at the top of USNWR or top in focus on undergraduate experience remains the number one choice among cross-admits.

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Anonymous wrote:It is the #7 school in the only ranking that matters to the overwhelming majority of people. That alone makes JHU desirable. Based on the formulas USNWR uses, that ranking is likely to go up.

I like JHU but it struggles to win students from other schools despite whatever US News ranks it, which indicates US News isn't really that influential and the perceptions of schools that people have are fairly fixed. Obviously it loses to Harvard, MIT, and Princeton by a lot, but here's how it fairs against some other top schools:

Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

The closest Johns Hopkins gets to winning a cross-admit battle is with Cornell, otherwise it gets handily defeated. It also does quite well against Dartmouth.

Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

It looks like Johns Hopkins is closer to schools like Rice, WashU, and Vanderbilt than the tippy-top schools like Stanford and Duke which are better than most of the Ivies anyways.

Who cares? We just got ranked #7 on US News this year so preferences won't change overnight. Of course I don't expect us to win the cross-admit battle with Yale, Stanford, or Duke, but the other schools you listed are fair game. We got the biggest donation in higher ed history from Bloomberg a few years ago the more time it has to take effect, the more cross-admits we'll win.

That's fair, I can see US News rankings changing preferences a bit, but nothing mind-blowing. Maybe Hopkins starts winning 5% more against each school on average.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is the #7 school in the only ranking that matters to the overwhelming majority of people. That alone makes JHU desirable. Based on the formulas USNWR uses, that ranking is likely to go up.

I like JHU but it struggles to win students from other schools despite whatever US News ranks it, which indicates US News isn't really that influential and the perceptions of schools that people have are fairly fixed. Obviously it loses to Harvard, MIT, and Princeton by a lot, but here's how it fairs against some other top schools:

Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

The closest Johns Hopkins gets to winning a cross-admit battle is with Cornell, otherwise it gets handily defeated. It also does quite well against Dartmouth.

Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

It looks like Johns Hopkins is closer to schools like Rice, WashU, and Vanderbilt than the tippy-top schools like Stanford and Duke which are better than most of the Ivies anyways.

Who cares? We just got ranked #7 on US News this year so preferences won't change overnight. Of course I don't expect us to win the cross-admit battle with Yale, Stanford, or Duke, but the other schools you listed are fair game. We got the biggest donation in higher ed history from Bloomberg a few years ago the more time it has to take effect, the more cross-admits we'll win.

USNWR is influential, but there is a limit. Princeton has been ranked ahead of Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc., for quite a while now, but it doesn't seem to have made any inroads in cross-admit preferences. Harvard, despite not being at the top of USNWR or top in focus on undergraduate experience remains the number one choice among cross-admits.

+1 Stanford was ranked #6 on US News for a long time, but still only lost the cross-admit battle to Harvard. Columbia was #2 for a while on US News while MIT was around #7, but it still got destroyed by MIT in the cross-admit battle. Duke keeps getting ranked super low on US News but it wins the cross admit battle against every school except HYPSM and ties with Penn and Columbia. UChicago was even ranked higher than Penn for a while but Penn still handily wins the cross-admit battle.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is the #7 school in the only ranking that matters to the overwhelming majority of people. That alone makes JHU desirable. Based on the formulas USNWR uses, that ranking is likely to go up.

I like JHU but it struggles to win students from other schools despite whatever US News ranks it, which indicates US News isn't really that influential and the perceptions of schools that people have are fairly fixed. Obviously it loses to Harvard, MIT, and Princeton by a lot, but here's how it fairs against some other top schools:

Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

The closest Johns Hopkins gets to winning a cross-admit battle is with Cornell, otherwise it gets handily defeated. It also does quite well against Dartmouth.

Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

It looks like Johns Hopkins is closer to schools like Rice, WashU, and Vanderbilt than the tippy-top schools like Stanford and Duke which are better than most of the Ivies anyways.

Who cares? We just got ranked #7 on US News this year so preferences won't change overnight. Of course I don't expect us to win the cross-admit battle with Yale, Stanford, or Duke, but the other schools you listed are fair game. We got the biggest donation in higher ed history from Bloomberg a few years ago the more time it has to take effect, the more cross-admits we'll win.

USNWR is influential, but there is a limit. Princeton has been ranked ahead of Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc., for quite a while now, but it doesn't seem to have made any inroads in cross-admit preferences. Harvard, despite not being at the top of USNWR or top in focus on undergraduate experience remains the number one choice among cross-admits.

Agreed. Similarly on the LAC side, Amherst and Williams have been 1-2 alone by USNWR since 2006. Swarthmore was 1 or 2 numerous times before then but has been 3-4 since 2006. The Parchment preferences still favor Swarthmore by a wide margin (36% for Williams and 35% for Amherst) among those little 3.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is the #7 school in the only ranking that matters to the overwhelming majority of people. That alone makes JHU desirable. Based on the formulas USNWR uses, that ranking is likely to go up.

I like JHU but it struggles to win students from other schools despite whatever US News ranks it, which indicates US News isn't really that influential and the perceptions of schools that people have are fairly fixed. Obviously it loses to Harvard, MIT, and Princeton by a lot, but here's how it fairs against some other top schools:

Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

The closest Johns Hopkins gets to winning a cross-admit battle is with Cornell, otherwise it gets handily defeated. It also does quite well against Dartmouth.

Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

It looks like Johns Hopkins is closer to schools like Rice, WashU, and Vanderbilt than the tippy-top schools like Stanford and Duke which are better than most of the Ivies anyways.

Who cares? We just got ranked #7 on US News this year so preferences won't change overnight. Of course I don't expect us to win the cross-admit battle with Yale, Stanford, or Duke, but the other schools you listed are fair game. We got the biggest donation in higher ed history from Bloomberg a few years ago the more time it has to take effect, the more cross-admits we'll win.

USNWR is influential, but there is a limit. Princeton has been ranked ahead of Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc., for quite a while now, but it doesn't seem to have made any inroads in cross-admit preferences. Harvard, despite not being at the top of USNWR or top in focus on undergraduate experience remains the number one choice among cross-admits.

+1 Stanford was ranked #6 on US News for a long time, but still only lost the cross-admit battle to Harvard. Columbia was #2 for a while on US News while MIT was around #7, but it still got destroyed by MIT in the cross-admit battle. Duke keeps getting ranked super low on US News but it wins the cross admit battle against every school except HYPSM and ties with Penn and Columbia. UChicago was even ranked higher than Penn for a while but Penn still handily wins the cross-admit battle.

MIT has become overrated by local parents and rankings that consider early career income as a large factor. Their STEM grads are not earning more than STEM grads at other elite schools. It is an excellent school but not in that Harvard and Stanford category. The "brand name" isn't the same either. MIT is associated with engineering in the same way Hopkins is associated with medicine, even though both are solid but probably not spectacular in other areas.

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Cross admit data is also skewed in many cases though. Duke, for example, throws a lot of non-need based money at a subset of students. It isn't always just choosing Duke over Penn or Yale, for example, it is choosing Duke with a large financial award.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is the #7 school in the only ranking that matters to the overwhelming majority of people. That alone makes JHU desirable. Based on the formulas USNWR uses, that ranking is likely to go up.

I like JHU but it struggles to win students from other schools despite whatever US News ranks it, which indicates US News isn't really that influential and the perceptions of schools that people have are fairly fixed. Obviously it loses to Harvard, MIT, and Princeton by a lot, but here's how it fairs against some other top schools:

Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

The closest Johns Hopkins gets to winning a cross-admit battle is with Cornell, otherwise it gets handily defeated. It also does quite well against Dartmouth.

Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

It looks like Johns Hopkins is closer to schools like Rice, WashU, and Vanderbilt than the tippy-top schools like Stanford and Duke which are better than most of the Ivies anyways.

Who cares? We just got ranked #7 on US News this year so preferences won't change overnight. Of course I don't expect us to win the cross-admit battle with Yale, Stanford, or Duke, but the other schools you listed are fair game. We got the biggest donation in higher ed history from Bloomberg a few years ago the more time it has to take effect, the more cross-admits we'll win.

USNWR is influential, but there is a limit. Princeton has been ranked ahead of Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc., for quite a while now, but it doesn't seem to have made any inroads in cross-admit preferences. Harvard, despite not being at the top of USNWR or top in focus on undergraduate experience remains the number one choice among cross-admits.

+1 Stanford was ranked #6 on US News for a long time, but still only lost the cross-admit battle to Harvard. Columbia was #2 for a while on US News while MIT was around #7, but it still got destroyed by MIT in the cross-admit battle. Duke keeps getting ranked super low on US News but it wins the cross admit battle against every school except HYPSM and ties with Penn and Columbia. UChicago was even ranked higher than Penn for a while but Penn still handily wins the cross-admit battle.

MIT has become overrated by local parents and rankings that consider early career income as a large factor. Their STEM grads are not earning more than STEM grads at other elite schools. It is an excellent school but not in that Harvard and Stanford category. The "brand name" isn't the same either. MIT is associated with engineering in the same way Hopkins is associated with medicine, even though both are solid but probably not spectacular in other areas.

You're just wrong. MIT excels in far more than just engineering: it's arguably the best school for economics, biology, psychology, math, and chemistry. It's also one of the top handful of schools in physics, political science, architecture, earth sciences, marine sciences, linguistics, media studies, business, statistics, astronomy, and more. It's a phenomenal, no-BS school that attracts the best students in the world.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is the #7 school in the only ranking that matters to the overwhelming majority of people. That alone makes JHU desirable. Based on the formulas USNWR uses, that ranking is likely to go up.

I like JHU but it struggles to win students from other schools despite whatever US News ranks it, which indicates US News isn't really that influential and the perceptions of schools that people have are fairly fixed. Obviously it loses to Harvard, MIT, and Princeton by a lot, but here's how it fairs against some other top schools:

Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

The closest Johns Hopkins gets to winning a cross-admit battle is with Cornell, otherwise it gets handily defeated. It also does quite well against Dartmouth.

Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

It looks like Johns Hopkins is closer to schools like Rice, WashU, and Vanderbilt than the tippy-top schools like Stanford and Duke which are better than most of the Ivies anyways.

Who cares? We just got ranked #7 on US News this year so preferences won't change overnight. Of course I don't expect us to win the cross-admit battle with Yale, Stanford, or Duke, but the other schools you listed are fair game. We got the biggest donation in higher ed history from Bloomberg a few years ago the more time it has to take effect, the more cross-admits we'll win.

Yup, Hopkins has only been a no loan school for a few years. It does increase its attractiveness.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins is obviously a very good school, but it's particularly renowned for MD. I'm sure there's some advantages that pre-meds have as well due to having two major medical research universities located in the city, in both research and shadowing opportunities.

Beyond pre-med, it's not particularly known for anything else academically or career-wise. It does not have a big tech/engineering culture and isn't a hotspot for tech startups, incubators or recruiting into top tech firms. It doesn't have the network or history of recruitment into Wall Street finance firms and Big 3 consulting firms and its MBA is extremely mediocre. It's not particularly renowned for political activism although that's a positive. It doesn't have a law school although that's probably another positive. The last two points probably lead to the lack of Hopkins alumni in Congress.

A lot of the high ranking that Hopkins gets is due to programs that undergrad students get zero access to because it's in a different city altogether and requires car + commute time to access. The federal government's Applied Physics Lab is run by Hopkins and brings in the biggest federal research dollars along with the medical school, but it's in Laurel - a 30 minute drive minimum during non-commute hours. SAIS is Hopkin's graduate school for international relations, is among the best along with Georgetown's and Harvard's, but it's based in DC - an hour drive minimum during non-commute hours. With the APL, perhaps Hopkins undergrads get some benefit with the few professors that teach in both locations, but the greatest benefit of top professors is working directly in their research labs. With SAIS, the top professors all live in DC and do not professors care much about teaching undergrads in a city an hour away.

The campus is mediocre with a very cramped quad. The architecture is mediocre.

The city is the worst out of all the top universities. Not because it's boring, but because it's outright dangerous and rundown. There's relatively safe development near the harbor, but it is a small area and everywhere else is terrible. What could be amazing night-outs turn out to be outright dangerous.

The lack of Division 1 sports and terrible Greek Life is an advantage as far as I'm concerned. Baltimore has major sports teams with the Orioles and the Ravens. Greeks are about 30% of the population which is the threshold where they dominate the campus culture, which is unfortunate.

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So much of this is flat out wrong, it’s difficult to know where to start. There are three academic quads at Hopkins and one residential quad so not sure which of those you claim is cramped but I guess is you just aren’t very familiar with the campus at all, or the city for that matter of you think “one area” is safe.

I'm referring to the main quad Keyser, which you'd know of if you attended or knew anyone that attended. The other "quads" are smaller and even more cramped.

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Hopkins has Division 1 men and women’s lacrosse. The other sports are D3 but in recent years, the football team has won 40 consecutive games and has ibeen ranked in the top 20 in d3 on several occasions, the baseball team is often ranked in the T25, and the swimming and track teams always do well in the NCAA championship meets.

Okay? When people refer to Division 1 sports, they tend to mean P5 football and basketball, neither of which Hopkins has. I specifically said D1 sports are an unnecessary part of a college so not sure what you are refuting here.

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You claim that it’s engineering and tech programs are week. US News ranks Hopkins undergrad engineering 13th and biomedical engineering 1st. Bio computing/bioinformatics is ranked 4th. Hopkins is ranked 12th for undergraduate research,

Where did I say that Hopkins' engineering programs are weak? I said that it's not particularly known for anything outside of medical-related fields, and that it does not have a big tech/engineering culture and isn't a hotspot for tech startups, incubators or recruiting into top tech firms.

Both Biomedical engineering and Biocomputing/bioinformatics are a medical-related fields, so you are only proving my point.

The engineering program is ranked 13th, tied with U. Wisconsin and Texas A&M, below UIUC, Purdue and UT-Austin, and slightly above Virginia Tech. It's nothing to write home about and heavily overshadowed by the medical school.

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I could go on and on but it is clear that you have little knowledge about Hopkins.

Seems to me like your knowledge of Hopkins is based off of reading US News.

I am the person you are responding to and I attended Hopkins as an undergrad, you clearly didn’t.

Then you know surprisingly little about Hopkins and have surprisingly weak reading comprehension. Care to refute anything I've written?

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Who wants to go to college in a ghetto?

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Anonymous wrote:It is the #7 school in the only ranking that matters to the overwhelming majority of people. That alone makes JHU desirable. Based on the formulas USNWR uses, that ranking is likely to go up.

I like JHU but it struggles to win students from other schools despite whatever US News ranks it, which indicates US News isn't really that influential and the perceptions of schools that people have are fairly fixed. Obviously it loses to Harvard, MIT, and Princeton by a lot, but here's how it fairs against some other top schools:

Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

The closest Johns Hopkins gets to winning a cross-admit battle is with Cornell, otherwise it gets handily defeated. It also does quite well against Dartmouth.

Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

It looks like Johns Hopkins is closer to schools like Rice, WashU, and Vanderbilt than the tippy-top schools like Stanford and Duke which are better than most of the Ivies anyways.

Who cares? We just got ranked #7 on US News this year so preferences won't change overnight. Of course I don't expect us to win the cross-admit battle with Yale, Stanford, or Duke, but the other schools you listed are fair game. We got the biggest donation in higher ed history from Bloomberg a few years ago the more time it has to take effect, the more cross-admits we'll win.

USNWR is influential, but there is a limit. Princeton has been ranked ahead of Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc., for quite a while now, but it doesn't seem to have made any inroads in cross-admit preferences. Harvard, despite not being at the top of USNWR or top in focus on undergraduate experience remains the number one choice among cross-admits.

+1 Stanford was ranked #6 on US News for a long time, but still only lost the cross-admit battle to Harvard. Columbia was #2 for a while on US News while MIT was around #7, but it still got destroyed by MIT in the cross-admit battle. Duke keeps getting ranked super low on US News but it wins the cross admit battle against every school except HYPSM and ties with Penn and Columbia. UChicago was even ranked higher than Penn for a while but Penn still handily wins the cross-admit battle.

MIT has become overrated by local parents and rankings that consider early career income as a large factor. Their STEM grads are not earning more than STEM grads at other elite schools. It is an excellent school but not in that Harvard and Stanford category. The "brand name" isn't the same either. MIT is associated with engineering in the same way Hopkins is associated with medicine, even though both are solid but probably not spectacular in other areas.

You're just wrong. MIT excels in far more than just engineering: it's arguably the best school for economics, biology, psychology, math, and chemistry. It's also one of the top handful of schools in physics, political science, architecture, earth sciences, marine sciences, linguistics, media studies, business, statistics, astronomy, and more. It's a phenomenal, no-BS school that attracts the best students in the world.

I am one of the Hopkins undergraduate alum posters and I agree with this. I am not sure who the bitter people are that have a burning desire to reduce T10 schools to stereotypes, but it just isn’t accurate. To be ranked in the T10, a school has to have a depth of excellence.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins is obviously a very good school, but it's particularly renowned for MD. I'm sure there's some advantages that pre-meds have as well due to having two major medical research universities located in the city, in both research and shadowing opportunities.

Beyond pre-med, it's not particularly known for anything else academically or career-wise. It does not have a big tech/engineering culture and isn't a hotspot for tech startups, incubators or recruiting into top tech firms. It doesn't have the network or history of recruitment into Wall Street finance firms and Big 3 consulting firms and its MBA is extremely mediocre. It's not particularly renowned for political activism although that's a positive. It doesn't have a law school although that's probably another positive. The last two points probably lead to the lack of Hopkins alumni in Congress.

A lot of the high ranking that Hopkins gets is due to programs that undergrad students get zero access to because it's in a different city altogether and requires car + commute time to access. The federal government's Applied Physics Lab is run by Hopkins and brings in the biggest federal research dollars along with the medical school, but it's in Laurel - a 30 minute drive minimum during non-commute hours. SAIS is Hopkin's graduate school for international relations, is among the best along with Georgetown's and Harvard's, but it's based in DC - an hour drive minimum during non-commute hours. With the APL, perhaps Hopkins undergrads get some benefit with the few professors that teach in both locations, but the greatest benefit of top professors is working directly in their research labs. With SAIS, the top professors all live in DC and do not professors care much about teaching undergrads in a city an hour away.

The campus is mediocre with a very cramped quad. The architecture is mediocre.

The city is the worst out of all the top universities. Not because it's boring, but because it's outright dangerous and rundown. There's relatively safe development near the harbor, but it is a small area and everywhere else is terrible. What could be amazing night-outs turn out to be outright dangerous.

The lack of Division 1 sports and terrible Greek Life is an advantage as far as I'm concerned. Baltimore has major sports teams with the Orioles and the Ravens. Greeks are about 30% of the population which is the threshold where they dominate the campus culture, which is unfortunate.

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So much of this is flat out wrong, it’s difficult to know where to start. There are three academic quads at Hopkins and one residential quad so not sure which of those you claim is cramped but I guess is you just aren’t very familiar with the campus at all, or the city for that matter of you think “one area” is safe.

I'm referring to the main quad Keyser, which you'd know of if you attended or knew anyone that attended. The other "quads" are smaller and even more cramped.

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Hopkins has Division 1 men and women’s lacrosse. The other sports are D3 but in recent years, the football team has won 40 consecutive games and has ibeen ranked in the top 20 in d3 on several occasions, the baseball team is often ranked in the T25, and the swimming and track teams always do well in the NCAA championship meets.

Okay? When people refer to Division 1 sports, they tend to mean P5 football and basketball, neither of which Hopkins has. I specifically said D1 sports are an unnecessary part of a college so not sure what you are refuting here.

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You claim that it’s engineering and tech programs are week. US News ranks Hopkins undergrad engineering 13th and biomedical engineering 1st. Bio computing/bioinformatics is ranked 4th. Hopkins is ranked 12th for undergraduate research,

Where did I say that Hopkins' engineering programs are weak? I said that it's not particularly known for anything outside of medical-related fields, and that it does not have a big tech/engineering culture and isn't a hotspot for tech startups, incubators or recruiting into top tech firms.

Both Biomedical engineering and Biocomputing/bioinformatics are a medical-related fields, so you are only proving my point.

The engineering program is ranked 13th, tied with U. Wisconsin and Texas A&M, below UIUC, Purdue and UT-Austin, and slightly above Virginia Tech. It's nothing to write home about and heavily overshadowed by the medical school.

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I could go on and on but it is clear that you have little knowledge about Hopkins.

Seems to me like your knowledge of Hopkins is based off of reading US News.

I am the person you are responding to and I attended Hopkins as an undergrad, you clearly didn’t.

Then you know surprisingly little about Hopkins and have surprisingly weak reading comprehension. Care to refute anything I've written?

I already have but you like to keep repeating yourself in a non responsive manner so it’s not worth any more of my time. You are clearly a blowhard that likes to pontificate about topics you have little personal experience with. Thank god I didn’t have to go to college with you.

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Anonymous wrote:It is the #7 school in the only ranking that matters to the overwhelming majority of people. That alone makes JHU desirable. Based on the formulas USNWR uses, that ranking is likely to go up.

I like JHU but it struggles to win students from other schools despite whatever US News ranks it, which indicates US News isn't really that influential and the perceptions of schools that people have are fairly fixed. Obviously it loses to Harvard, MIT, and Princeton by a lot, but here's how it fairs against some other top schools:

Some of the Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 16% - Yale 84%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Columbia 81%
Johns Hopkins 41% - Dartmouth 59%
Johns Hopkins 49% - Cornell 51%

The closest Johns Hopkins gets to winning a cross-admit battle is with Cornell, otherwise it gets handily defeated. It also does quite well against Dartmouth.

Some of the Top Non-Ivy League

Johns Hopkins 15% - Stanford 85%
Johns Hopkins 19% - Duke 81%
Johns Hopkins 31% - UChicago 69%
Johns Hopkins 35% - Northwestern 65%
Johns Hopkins 44% - Rice 56%
Johns Hopkins 53% - WashU 47%
Johns Hopkins 61% - Vanderbilt 39%

It looks like Johns Hopkins is closer to schools like Rice, WashU, and Vanderbilt than the tippy-top schools like Stanford and Duke which are better than most of the Ivies anyways.

Who cares? We just got ranked #7 on US News this year so preferences won't change overnight. Of course I don't expect us to win the cross-admit battle with Yale, Stanford, or Duke, but the other schools you listed are fair game. We got the biggest donation in higher ed history from Bloomberg a few years ago the more time it has to take effect, the more cross-admits we'll win.

USNWR is influential, but there is a limit. Princeton has been ranked ahead of Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc., for quite a while now, but it doesn't seem to have made any inroads in cross-admit preferences. Harvard, despite not being at the top of USNWR or top in focus on undergraduate experience remains the number one choice among cross-admits.

+1 Stanford was ranked #6 on US News for a long time, but still only lost the cross-admit battle to Harvard. Columbia was #2 for a while on US News while MIT was around #7, but it still got destroyed by MIT in the cross-admit battle. Duke keeps getting ranked super low on US News but it wins the cross admit battle against every school except HYPSM and ties with Penn and Columbia. UChicago was even ranked higher than Penn for a while but Penn still handily wins the cross-admit battle.

MIT has become overrated by local parents and rankings that consider early career income as a large factor. Their STEM grads are not earning more than STEM grads at other elite schools. It is an excellent school but not in that Harvard and Stanford category. The "brand name" isn't the same either. MIT is associated with engineering in the same way Hopkins is associated with medicine, even though both are solid but probably not spectacular in other areas.

You're just wrong. MIT excels in far more than just engineering: it's arguably the best school for economics, biology, psychology, math, and chemistry. It's also one of the top handful of schools in physics, political science, architecture, earth sciences, marine sciences, linguistics, media studies, business, statistics, astronomy, and more. It's a phenomenal, no-BS school that attracts the best students in the world.

More to the rankings and cross-admit point, MIT is just not at the Stanford level overall. Stanford has been ranked behind MIT 5 years in a row by USNWR but still beats MIT badly cross-admit wise.

Hopkins also has a number of strong areas. MIT and Hopkins are still widely perceived as an Eng/CS school and a biological science and med-related school. Harvard and Stanford just are not like that.

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Anonymous wrote:Cross admit data is also skewed in many cases though. Duke, for example, throws a lot of non-need based money at a subset of students. It isn't always just choosing Duke over Penn or Yale, for example, it is choosing Duke with a large financial award.

Every school except for Harvard, Stanford, MIT, and Princeton offers those things though. Online it says Duke offers about 75 scholarships a year. Penn, on the other hand, admits over 100 dual-degree students in programs like Jerome Fisher M&T, Vagelos LSM, Hunstman, etc. which are meant to take away kids from other top schools. On top of that each year Penn provides over 100 offers of admission to its scholar programs such as Ben Franklin Scholars, Joseph Wharton Scholars, University Scholars, Penn World Scholars, Civic Scholars, Rachleff Scholars, Public Policy Research Scholars, ISP Scholars, etc. So if anything, Penn does more of that skewing than Duke, and many of these dual degree students and scholarship program students at Penn would not have chosen Penn otherwise. Even Yale just a few years ago started the Hahn Scholars Program to enroll more of the top STEM kids because it was losing too many of them to Harvard, MIT, Stanford, and Princeton.