Is Johns Hopkins still desirable?

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Anonymous wrote:Seems very overranked.

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You can believe that it is overrated but the fact of the matter is that US News, which publishes by far the most important ranking in terms of reach, has ranked Hopkins as a top 10 school in each of the last 5 years. They also received a great $1.8 billion donation from Bloomberg specifically for financial aid. His gifts of over $3.5 billion have been a game changer and make the future look very bright there since it is unlikely he won't pledge even more money to his alma mater.

“Important?”

You seem quite status conscious. USNWR has no idea what schools are best for MY child.

But if you want to outsource that call, go ahead and take the shortcut that might impress other parents.

My kid and I were willing to put in the time and research to identify schools tailored ton HER.

I agree 100% that people should be looking for the right schools for them and rankings should just help narrow and focus options. Thankfully, there also isn't just one "right" option for anyone though there are obviously some wrong ones. Thank goodness for the option to transfer! On DCUM, I worry that posters and their kids get so focused on 1-3 "right" schools that are often some of the 25 hardest to get admitted to.

USNWR has major faults but is most "important" of the rankers in terms of clicks and circulation. USNWR consistently ranking Hopkins in the top 10 is a signal that students and parents can take into account or disregard. I would never say to stop looking at Hopkins if you think it is a good match just because USNWR says it is ranked below Chicago. Similarly, you might find Brown, Cornell, Georgetown, Duke, or Rice more appealing (all ranked lower on USNWR).

For alums and people on the board with kids at Hopkins, you should be excited about the future. I'm bullish on Hopkins long term.

+1 I have a kid at Hopkins and he is very happy with it so far. And I agree the USNWR ranking boost is a great thing for the school. Maybe we won't catch up to schools like Penn, Duke, and Columbia in overall desirability, but I think we can overtake schools like Northwestern, UChicago, and Dartmouth in popularity among students. I think we've left Cornell behind at this point.

Dream on. 9 out of 10 kids pick Cornell and Dartmouth over that school

And with the latest USNWR ranking, 9 out of 10 employers will choose JHU grads over those two.

Employers don’t care about USNWR. Look at top consulting and finance firms and see who they hire.

Sure.

You want the data?

Top Feeders to Elite Consulting Firms (McKinsey, Bain, BCG): https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/consulting-target-schools

1. Harvard
2. UPenn
3. MIT
4. Yale
5. Princeton
6. Dartmouth
7. Stanford
8. Duke
9. Columbia
10. Claremont McKenna
11. Northwestern
12. Vanderbilt
13. Rice
14. UChicago
15. Williams
16. Amherst
17. Brown
18. Notre Dame
19. Georgetown
20. WashU St. Louis

Top Feeders to Elite Wall Street Firms (Goldman, Morgan Stanley, JPM, etc.): https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking

1. UPenn
2. Harvard
3. Columbia
4. Yale
5. UChicago
6. Williams
7. Duke
8. Claremont McKenna
9. Middlebury
10. Princeton
11. Dartmouth
12. Notre Dame
13. Georgetown
14. Washington & Lee
15. Cornell
16. Amherst
17. Brown
18. Bowdoin
19. Stanford
20. Vanderbilt

Top Feeders to Elite Private Equity Firms (Blackstone, KKR, Apollo Global, etc.): https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/private-equity/undergraduate-representation-among-pe-firms-with-data

1. Princeton (Placement %: 28.7%)
2. Harvard (Placement %: 18.1%)
3. Dartmouth (Placement %: 18.0%)
4. Penn/Wharton (Placement %: 17.4%)
5. Duke (Placement %: 13.4%)
6. Columbia (Placement %: 8.2%)
7. Yale (Placement %: 7.0%)
8. MIT (Placement %: 6.5%)
9. Stanford (Placement %: 5.3%)
10. Brown (Placement %: 4.2%)
11. UChicago (Placement %: 1.7%)

As you can see, none of these employers care how Hopkins ranks in US News.

Wow, I did not realize Dartmouth placed so well with top employers.

That's pretty much all that Dartmouth has going for it.

Weird logic. That's kind of an end state for most college students. I'm going to assume you are one of the Dartmouth bashers that like to opine here.

What? The end state for most college students is not Wall Street or top 3 consulting. That's where Dartmouth excels at, placement into Wall Street and top 3 consulting.

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Anonymous wrote:I never hear anyone mention it any more. I know that it is still a very fine school (and two of my siblings went there) -- but are kids less interested? Or is it just my kid's friends who aren't interested?

Apply and find out.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems very overranked.

+1

You can believe that it is overrated but the fact of the matter is that US News, which publishes by far the most important ranking in terms of reach, has ranked Hopkins as a top 10 school in each of the last 5 years. They also received a great $1.8 billion donation from Bloomberg specifically for financial aid. His gifts of over $3.5 billion have been a game changer and make the future look very bright there since it is unlikely he won't pledge even more money to his alma mater.

“Important?”

You seem quite status conscious. USNWR has no idea what schools are best for MY child.

But if you want to outsource that call, go ahead and take the shortcut that might impress other parents.

My kid and I were willing to put in the time and research to identify schools tailored ton HER.

I agree 100% that people should be looking for the right schools for them and rankings should just help narrow and focus options. Thankfully, there also isn't just one "right" option for anyone though there are obviously some wrong ones. Thank goodness for the option to transfer! On DCUM, I worry that posters and their kids get so focused on 1-3 "right" schools that are often some of the 25 hardest to get admitted to.

USNWR has major faults but is most "important" of the rankers in terms of clicks and circulation. USNWR consistently ranking Hopkins in the top 10 is a signal that students and parents can take into account or disregard. I would never say to stop looking at Hopkins if you think it is a good match just because USNWR says it is ranked below Chicago. Similarly, you might find Brown, Cornell, Georgetown, Duke, or Rice more appealing (all ranked lower on USNWR).

For alums and people on the board with kids at Hopkins, you should be excited about the future. I'm bullish on Hopkins long term.

+1 I have a kid at Hopkins and he is very happy with it so far. And I agree the USNWR ranking boost is a great thing for the school. Maybe we won't catch up to schools like Penn, Duke, and Columbia in overall desirability, but I think we can overtake schools like Northwestern, UChicago, and Dartmouth in popularity among students. I think we've left Cornell behind at this point.

Dream on. 9 out of 10 kids pick Cornell and Dartmouth over that school

And with the latest USNWR ranking, 9 out of 10 employers will choose JHU grads over those two.

Employers don’t care about USNWR. Look at top consulting and finance firms and see who they hire.

Sure.

You want the data?

Top Feeders to Elite Consulting Firms (McKinsey, Bain, BCG): https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/consulting-target-schools

1. Harvard
2. UPenn
3. MIT
4. Yale
5. Princeton
6. Dartmouth
7. Stanford
8. Duke
9. Columbia
10. Claremont McKenna
11. Northwestern
12. Vanderbilt
13. Rice
14. UChicago
15. Williams
16. Amherst
17. Brown
18. Notre Dame
19. Georgetown
20. WashU St. Louis

Top Feeders to Elite Wall Street Firms (Goldman, Morgan Stanley, JPM, etc.): https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking

1. UPenn
2. Harvard
3. Columbia
4. Yale
5. UChicago
6. Williams
7. Duke
8. Claremont McKenna
9. Middlebury
10. Princeton
11. Dartmouth
12. Notre Dame
13. Georgetown
14. Washington & Lee
15. Cornell
16. Amherst
17. Brown
18. Bowdoin
19. Stanford
20. Vanderbilt

Top Feeders to Elite Private Equity Firms (Blackstone, KKR, Apollo Global, etc.): https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/private-equity/undergraduate-representation-among-pe-firms-with-data

1. Princeton (Placement %: 28.7%)
2. Harvard (Placement %: 18.1%)
3. Dartmouth (Placement %: 18.0%)
4. Penn/Wharton (Placement %: 17.4%)
5. Duke (Placement %: 13.4%)
6. Columbia (Placement %: 8.2%)
7. Yale (Placement %: 7.0%)
8. MIT (Placement %: 6.5%)
9. Stanford (Placement %: 5.3%)
10. Brown (Placement %: 4.2%)
11. UChicago (Placement %: 1.7%)

As you can see, none of these employers care how Hopkins ranks in US News.

Wow, I did not realize Dartmouth placed so well with top employers.

Seriously?

Dartmouth is literally the most bro t10/t15

It’s like penn minus the gunner Long Island, New Jersey, Miami crowd

This. My cousin’s kid went to Dartmouth and is now on Wall Street. Investment banks want bros, bonus points if you played a sport in college.

Athletics at top schools is a plus in consulting too. Know a Harvard laxer, Swarthmore laxer, and Yale rower in the MBB world.

Varsity athletics is a plus point because it means that the student is good at time management and most likely doesn't spend their time on frivolous activities like day drinking, drugs or political activism. They also tend to be competitive, driven and hard-working, again good traits in an employee.

And it's certainly not because they are "bros". That's the biggest negative if anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems very overranked.

+1

You can believe that it is overrated but the fact of the matter is that US News, which publishes by far the most important ranking in terms of reach, has ranked Hopkins as a top 10 school in each of the last 5 years. They also received a great $1.8 billion donation from Bloomberg specifically for financial aid. His gifts of over $3.5 billion have been a game changer and make the future look very bright there since it is unlikely he won't pledge even more money to his alma mater.

“Important?”

You seem quite status conscious. USNWR has no idea what schools are best for MY child.

But if you want to outsource that call, go ahead and take the shortcut that might impress other parents.

My kid and I were willing to put in the time and research to identify schools tailored ton HER.

I agree 100% that people should be looking for the right schools for them and rankings should just help narrow and focus options. Thankfully, there also isn't just one "right" option for anyone though there are obviously some wrong ones. Thank goodness for the option to transfer! On DCUM, I worry that posters and their kids get so focused on 1-3 "right" schools that are often some of the 25 hardest to get admitted to.

USNWR has major faults but is most "important" of the rankers in terms of clicks and circulation. USNWR consistently ranking Hopkins in the top 10 is a signal that students and parents can take into account or disregard. I would never say to stop looking at Hopkins if you think it is a good match just because USNWR says it is ranked below Chicago. Similarly, you might find Brown, Cornell, Georgetown, Duke, or Rice more appealing (all ranked lower on USNWR).

For alums and people on the board with kids at Hopkins, you should be excited about the future. I'm bullish on Hopkins long term.

+1 I have a kid at Hopkins and he is very happy with it so far. And I agree the USNWR ranking boost is a great thing for the school. Maybe we won't catch up to schools like Penn, Duke, and Columbia in overall desirability, but I think we can overtake schools like Northwestern, UChicago, and Dartmouth in popularity among students. I think we've left Cornell behind at this point.

Dream on. 9 out of 10 kids pick Cornell and Dartmouth over that school

And with the latest USNWR ranking, 9 out of 10 employers will choose JHU grads over those two.

Employers don’t care about USNWR. Look at top consulting and finance firms and see who they hire.

Sure.

You want the data?

Top Feeders to Elite Consulting Firms (McKinsey, Bain, BCG): https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/consulting-target-schools

1. Harvard
2. UPenn
3. MIT
4. Yale
5. Princeton
6. Dartmouth
7. Stanford
8. Duke
9. Columbia
10. Claremont McKenna
11. Northwestern
12. Vanderbilt
13. Rice
14. UChicago
15. Williams
16. Amherst
17. Brown
18. Notre Dame
19. Georgetown
20. WashU St. Louis

Top Feeders to Elite Wall Street Firms (Goldman, Morgan Stanley, JPM, etc.): https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking

1. UPenn
2. Harvard
3. Columbia
4. Yale
5. UChicago
6. Williams
7. Duke
8. Claremont McKenna
9. Middlebury
10. Princeton
11. Dartmouth
12. Notre Dame
13. Georgetown
14. Washington & Lee
15. Cornell
16. Amherst
17. Brown
18. Bowdoin
19. Stanford
20. Vanderbilt

Top Feeders to Elite Private Equity Firms (Blackstone, KKR, Apollo Global, etc.): https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/private-equity/undergraduate-representation-among-pe-firms-with-data

1. Princeton (Placement %: 28.7%)
2. Harvard (Placement %: 18.1%)
3. Dartmouth (Placement %: 18.0%)
4. Penn/Wharton (Placement %: 17.4%)
5. Duke (Placement %: 13.4%)
6. Columbia (Placement %: 8.2%)
7. Yale (Placement %: 7.0%)
8. MIT (Placement %: 6.5%)
9. Stanford (Placement %: 5.3%)
10. Brown (Placement %: 4.2%)
11. UChicago (Placement %: 1.7%)

As you can see, none of these employers care how Hopkins ranks in US News.

Wow, I did not realize Dartmouth placed so well with top employers.

Seriously?

Dartmouth is literally the most bro t10/t15

It’s like penn minus the gunner Long Island, New Jersey, Miami crowd

This. My cousin’s kid went to Dartmouth and is now on Wall Street. Investment banks want bros, bonus points if you played a sport in college.

That's not why Dartmouth is represented highly on Wall Street, and Dartmouth's male student population is not composed of "bros". This is a highly selective Ivy, not Arizona State or UT Austin.

Dartmouth is highly represented in the Ivies because of the positive feedback loop of networking and self-selection by college applicants. It's also Greek (70%), which adds to the networking effect.

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Anonymous wrote:Do students go there for anything but bio or pre-med? The preferred majors are so biology heavy.

Of course, for a long time, international studies was the second most popular major (still may be, I don’t know). Writing seminars is popular and one of the top writing programs in the country. Engineering and Econ are also popular majors as are the other hard sciences. Public health is another, supported by the strength of the public health grad school.

Their grad school for advanced international studies and foreign policy is tied with Harvard and Georgetown for top slot.

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Anonymous wrote:You guys are idiots. It’s also top ranked in public policy, economics, etc.. It’s hospital and medical research are world renowned, but it’s global policy program is renowned world wide too.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems very overranked.

+1

You can believe that it is overrated but the fact of the matter is that US News, which publishes by far the most important ranking in terms of reach, has ranked Hopkins as a top 10 school in each of the last 5 years. They also received a great $1.8 billion donation from Bloomberg specifically for financial aid. His gifts of over $3.5 billion have been a game changer and make the future look very bright there since it is unlikely he won't pledge even more money to his alma mater.

“Important?”

You seem quite status conscious. USNWR has no idea what schools are best for MY child.

But if you want to outsource that call, go ahead and take the shortcut that might impress other parents.

My kid and I were willing to put in the time and research to identify schools tailored ton HER.

I agree 100% that people should be looking for the right schools for them and rankings should just help narrow and focus options. Thankfully, there also isn't just one "right" option for anyone though there are obviously some wrong ones. Thank goodness for the option to transfer! On DCUM, I worry that posters and their kids get so focused on 1-3 "right" schools that are often some of the 25 hardest to get admitted to.

USNWR has major faults but is most "important" of the rankers in terms of clicks and circulation. USNWR consistently ranking Hopkins in the top 10 is a signal that students and parents can take into account or disregard. I would never say to stop looking at Hopkins if you think it is a good match just because USNWR says it is ranked below Chicago. Similarly, you might find Brown, Cornell, Georgetown, Duke, or Rice more appealing (all ranked lower on USNWR).

For alums and people on the board with kids at Hopkins, you should be excited about the future. I'm bullish on Hopkins long term.

+1 I have a kid at Hopkins and he is very happy with it so far. And I agree the USNWR ranking boost is a great thing for the school. Maybe we won't catch up to schools like Penn, Duke, and Columbia in overall desirability, but I think we can overtake schools like Northwestern, UChicago, and Dartmouth in popularity among students. I think we've left Cornell behind at this point.

Dream on. 9 out of 10 kids pick Cornell and Dartmouth over that school

And with the latest USNWR ranking, 9 out of 10 employers will choose JHU grads over those two.

Employers don’t care about USNWR. Look at top consulting and finance firms and see who they hire.

Sure.

You want the data?

Top Feeders to Elite Consulting Firms (McKinsey, Bain, BCG): https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/consulting-target-schools

1. Harvard
2. UPenn
3. MIT
4. Yale
5. Princeton
6. Dartmouth
7. Stanford
8. Duke
9. Columbia
10. Claremont McKenna
11. Northwestern
12. Vanderbilt
13. Rice
14. UChicago
15. Williams
16. Amherst
17. Brown
18. Notre Dame
19. Georgetown
20. WashU St. Louis

Top Feeders to Elite Wall Street Firms (Goldman, Morgan Stanley, JPM, etc.): https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking

1. UPenn
2. Harvard
3. Columbia
4. Yale
5. UChicago
6. Williams
7. Duke
8. Claremont McKenna
9. Middlebury
10. Princeton
11. Dartmouth
12. Notre Dame
13. Georgetown
14. Washington & Lee
15. Cornell
16. Amherst
17. Brown
18. Bowdoin
19. Stanford
20. Vanderbilt

Top Feeders to Elite Private Equity Firms (Blackstone, KKR, Apollo Global, etc.): https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/private-equity/undergraduate-representation-among-pe-firms-with-data

1. Princeton (Placement %: 28.7%)
2. Harvard (Placement %: 18.1%)
3. Dartmouth (Placement %: 18.0%)
4. Penn/Wharton (Placement %: 17.4%)
5. Duke (Placement %: 13.4%)
6. Columbia (Placement %: 8.2%)
7. Yale (Placement %: 7.0%)
8. MIT (Placement %: 6.5%)
9. Stanford (Placement %: 5.3%)
10. Brown (Placement %: 4.2%)
11. UChicago (Placement %: 1.7%)

As you can see, none of these employers care how Hopkins ranks in US News.

Wow, I did not realize Dartmouth placed so well with top employers.

Seriously?

Dartmouth is literally the most bro t10/t15

It’s like penn minus the gunner Long Island, New Jersey, Miami crowd

This. My cousin’s kid went to Dartmouth and is now on Wall Street. Investment banks want bros, bonus points if you played a sport in college.

Athletics at top schools is a plus in consulting too. Know a Harvard laxer, Swarthmore laxer, and Yale rower in the MBB world.

Consulting is less bro-ey for sure though. They take all types of people nowadays, but they definitely used to be way more elitist. When my oldest was in college, the McKinsey Sophomore Diversity Leaders program was only open to students at Harvard, Duke, UPenn, and Yale. Now I believe it’s open to students from all schools.

I liked McKinsey more when they kept themselves to just a few schools, don't let them bring their evil to the rest of the campuses

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I'm in medicine, wolfing down a salad between patients.

JHU is the world leader in medicine. How is this even a question? See also, public health and anything medicine adjacent.

I probably wouldn't steer my kid there for German language and literature or music theory.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in medicine, wolfing down a salad between patients.

JHU is the world leader in medicine. How is this even a question? See also, public health and anything medicine adjacent.

I probably wouldn't steer my kid there for German language and literature or music theory.

It's a question because someone's favorite school got bumped from the USNWR top 10.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in medicine, wolfing down a salad between patients.

JHU is the world leader in medicine. How is this even a question? See also, public health and anything medicine adjacent.

I probably wouldn't steer my kid there for German language and literature or music theory.

Actually Hopkins has an excellent music program that awards BAs through its Peabody Institute (formerly the Peabody Conservatory).

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Anonymous wrote:Currently have a kid attending Hopkins and playing a sport. They absolutely love it and are having the time of their life. It was highly desirable for my kid and a perfect fit. But you do you.

That is great! Their mixed D1/3 athletic department has always struck me as an oddity. Even at the D3 level, they keep swimming out of a conference all together.

Hopkins fields strong teams in almost everything they compete in, so awesome to hear your kid is enjoying it.

Lacrosse is obviously the big sport on campus but the Hopkins Swarthmore basketball rivalry of the last 5 or so years has been exciting and is among the best in D3 (especially high-academic school wise).

My kid is playing a D3 sport and it is confusing bc sports folks assume it's D1 and there was money involved. Don't I wish. Some of the conference rivals are great, there is also seems to a fair amount of teams supporting each other at games/meets when they can. I understand the unease with Baltimore but kid rarely leaves the immediate area and if they do it's usually with friends in an Uber bc there's plenty to do in Baltimore.

Don't worry, the majority of the lacrosse kids wish there was money involved too (12.6 scholarships divided among 50+ players lol).

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Anonymous wrote:Seems very overranked.

+1

You can believe that it is overrated but the fact of the matter is that US News, which publishes by far the most important ranking in terms of reach, has ranked Hopkins as a top 10 school in each of the last 5 years. They also received a great $1.8 billion donation from Bloomberg specifically for financial aid. His gifts of over $3.5 billion have been a game changer and make the future look very bright there since it is unlikely he won't pledge even more money to his alma mater.

“Important?”

You seem quite status conscious. USNWR has no idea what schools are best for MY child.

But if you want to outsource that call, go ahead and take the shortcut that might impress other parents.

My kid and I were willing to put in the time and research to identify schools tailored ton HER.

I agree 100% that people should be looking for the right schools for them and rankings should just help narrow and focus options. Thankfully, there also isn't just one "right" option for anyone though there are obviously some wrong ones. Thank goodness for the option to transfer! On DCUM, I worry that posters and their kids get so focused on 1-3 "right" schools that are often some of the 25 hardest to get admitted to.

USNWR has major faults but is most "important" of the rankers in terms of clicks and circulation. USNWR consistently ranking Hopkins in the top 10 is a signal that students and parents can take into account or disregard. I would never say to stop looking at Hopkins if you think it is a good match just because USNWR says it is ranked below Chicago. Similarly, you might find Brown, Cornell, Georgetown, Duke, or Rice more appealing (all ranked lower on USNWR).

For alums and people on the board with kids at Hopkins, you should be excited about the future. I'm bullish on Hopkins long term.

+1 I have a kid at Hopkins and he is very happy with it so far. And I agree the USNWR ranking boost is a great thing for the school. Maybe we won't catch up to schools like Penn, Duke, and Columbia in overall desirability, but I think we can overtake schools like Northwestern, UChicago, and Dartmouth in popularity among students. I think we've left Cornell behind at this point.

Dream on. 9 out of 10 kids pick Cornell and Dartmouth over that school

And with the latest USNWR ranking, 9 out of 10 employers will choose JHU grads over those two.

Employers don’t care about USNWR. Look at top consulting and finance firms and see who they hire.

Sure.

You want the data?

Top Feeders to Elite Consulting Firms (McKinsey, Bain, BCG): https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/consulting-target-schools

1. Harvard
2. UPenn
3. MIT
4. Yale
5. Princeton
6. Dartmouth
7. Stanford
8. Duke
9. Columbia
10. Claremont McKenna
11. Northwestern
12. Vanderbilt
13. Rice
14. UChicago
15. Williams
16. Amherst
17. Brown
18. Notre Dame
19. Georgetown
20. WashU St. Louis

Top Feeders to Elite Wall Street Firms (Goldman, Morgan Stanley, JPM, etc.): https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking

1. UPenn
2. Harvard
3. Columbia
4. Yale
5. UChicago
6. Williams
7. Duke
8. Claremont McKenna
9. Middlebury
10. Princeton
11. Dartmouth
12. Notre Dame
13. Georgetown
14. Washington & Lee
15. Cornell
16. Amherst
17. Brown
18. Bowdoin
19. Stanford
20. Vanderbilt

Top Feeders to Elite Private Equity Firms (Blackstone, KKR, Apollo Global, etc.): https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/private-equity/undergraduate-representation-among-pe-firms-with-data

1. Princeton (Placement %: 28.7%)
2. Harvard (Placement %: 18.1%)
3. Dartmouth (Placement %: 18.0%)
4. Penn/Wharton (Placement %: 17.4%)
5. Duke (Placement %: 13.4%)
6. Columbia (Placement %: 8.2%)
7. Yale (Placement %: 7.0%)
8. MIT (Placement %: 6.5%)
9. Stanford (Placement %: 5.3%)
10. Brown (Placement %: 4.2%)
11. UChicago (Placement %: 1.7%)

As you can see, none of these employers care how Hopkins ranks in US News.

Wow, I did not realize Dartmouth placed so well with top employers.

That's pretty much all that Dartmouth has going for it.

Probably also helps that people who've attended Dartmouth actually like (even love) Dartmouth. Except for a handful of lacrosse alums from the 1960s I'm not sure you can say the same for Hopkins.

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Local schools Hopkins and Georgetown get shredded on this discussion board but have great national and even international reputations. Everyone understands they and UVA, another local school with all kinds of mixed posts about it, are not Harvard or Stanford, but neither are the rest of the schools in the country! So much nitpicking and back and forth about the most selective and desirable universities is embarrassing. We have threads where parents are actually questioning whether Duke is prestigious enough to apply early to.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in medicine, wolfing down a salad between patients.

JHU is the world leader in medicine. How is this even a question? See also, public health and anything medicine adjacent.

I probably wouldn't steer my kid there for German language and literature or music theory.

Agreed, as you say for public health and anything medicine adjacent it's the holy grail...it should be number 1, absolutely no reason why it's not. Enjoy your salad and FFS I hope I'm not your next patient...I'm at JHU for an appointment right now.

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Anonymous wrote:Currently have a kid attending Hopkins and playing a sport. They absolutely love it and are having the time of their life. It was highly desirable for my kid and a perfect fit. But you do you.

That is great! Their mixed D1/3 athletic department has always struck me as an oddity. Even at the D3 level, they keep swimming out of a conference all together.

Hopkins fields strong teams in almost everything they compete in, so awesome to hear your kid is enjoying it.

Lacrosse is obviously the big sport on campus but the Hopkins Swarthmore basketball rivalry of the last 5 or so years has been exciting and is among the best in D3 (especially high-academic school wise).

My kid is playing a D3 sport and it is confusing bc sports folks assume it's D1 and there was money involved. Don't I wish. Some of the conference rivals are great, there is also seems to a fair amount of teams supporting each other at games/meets when they can. I understand the unease with Baltimore but kid rarely leaves the immediate area and if they do it's usually with friends in an Uber bc there's plenty to do in Baltimore.

Don't worry, the majority of the lacrosse kids wish there was money involved too (12.6 scholarships divided among 50+ players lol).

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Anonymous wrote:Seems very overranked.

+1

You can believe that it is overrated but the fact of the matter is that US News, which publishes by far the most important ranking in terms of reach, has ranked Hopkins as a top 10 school in each of the last 5 years. They also received a great $1.8 billion donation from Bloomberg specifically for financial aid. His gifts of over $3.5 billion have been a game changer and make the future look very bright there since it is unlikely he won't pledge even more money to his alma mater.

“Important?”

You seem quite status conscious. USNWR has no idea what schools are best for MY child.

But if you want to outsource that call, go ahead and take the shortcut that might impress other parents.

My kid and I were willing to put in the time and research to identify schools tailored ton HER.

I agree 100% that people should be looking for the right schools for them and rankings should just help narrow and focus options. Thankfully, there also isn't just one "right" option for anyone though there are obviously some wrong ones. Thank goodness for the option to transfer! On DCUM, I worry that posters and their kids get so focused on 1-3 "right" schools that are often some of the 25 hardest to get admitted to.

USNWR has major faults but is most "important" of the rankers in terms of clicks and circulation. USNWR consistently ranking Hopkins in the top 10 is a signal that students and parents can take into account or disregard. I would never say to stop looking at Hopkins if you think it is a good match just because USNWR says it is ranked below Chicago. Similarly, you might find Brown, Cornell, Georgetown, Duke, or Rice more appealing (all ranked lower on USNWR).

For alums and people on the board with kids at Hopkins, you should be excited about the future. I'm bullish on Hopkins long term.

+1 I have a kid at Hopkins and he is very happy with it so far. And I agree the USNWR ranking boost is a great thing for the school. Maybe we won't catch up to schools like Penn, Duke, and Columbia in overall desirability, but I think we can overtake schools like Northwestern, UChicago, and Dartmouth in popularity among students. I think we've left Cornell behind at this point.

Dream on. 9 out of 10 kids pick Cornell and Dartmouth over that school

And with the latest USNWR ranking, 9 out of 10 employers will choose JHU grads over those two.

Employers don’t care about USNWR. Look at top consulting and finance firms and see who they hire.

Sure.

You want the data?

Top Feeders to Elite Consulting Firms (McKinsey, Bain, BCG): https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/consulting-target-schools

1. Harvard
2. UPenn
3. MIT
4. Yale
5. Princeton
6. Dartmouth
7. Stanford
8. Duke
9. Columbia
10. Claremont McKenna
11. Northwestern
12. Vanderbilt
13. Rice
14. UChicago
15. Williams
16. Amherst
17. Brown
18. Notre Dame
19. Georgetown
20. WashU St. Louis

Top Feeders to Elite Wall Street Firms (Goldman, Morgan Stanley, JPM, etc.): https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking

1. UPenn
2. Harvard
3. Columbia
4. Yale
5. UChicago
6. Williams
7. Duke
8. Claremont McKenna
9. Middlebury
10. Princeton
11. Dartmouth
12. Notre Dame
13. Georgetown
14. Washington & Lee
15. Cornell
16. Amherst
17. Brown
18. Bowdoin
19. Stanford
20. Vanderbilt

Top Feeders to Elite Private Equity Firms (Blackstone, KKR, Apollo Global, etc.): https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/private-equity/undergraduate-representation-among-pe-firms-with-data

1. Princeton (Placement %: 28.7%)
2. Harvard (Placement %: 18.1%)
3. Dartmouth (Placement %: 18.0%)
4. Penn/Wharton (Placement %: 17.4%)
5. Duke (Placement %: 13.4%)
6. Columbia (Placement %: 8.2%)
7. Yale (Placement %: 7.0%)
8. MIT (Placement %: 6.5%)
9. Stanford (Placement %: 5.3%)
10. Brown (Placement %: 4.2%)
11. UChicago (Placement %: 1.7%)

As you can see, none of these employers care how Hopkins ranks in US News.

Wow, I did not realize Dartmouth placed so well with top employers.

That's pretty much all that Dartmouth has going for it.

Probably also helps that people who've attended Dartmouth actually like (even love) Dartmouth. Except for a handful of lacrosse alums from the 1960s I'm not sure you can say the same for Hopkins.

+1 Dartmouth has a fiercely loyal alumni base

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It’s interesting you should have named “German, literature, & music”, lol:

Hopkins has had top-ranked German & English Lit programs for at least a century

To which I’d also add a well-regarded conservatory, Peabody.