Student verbally assaulting teacher in front of class

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Anonymous wrote:This type of behavior should never be tolerated if American schools are to retain teachers. Other cultures would never tolerate this disrespect. Honestly it’s the overly permissive liberal culture.

That's why they should bring back coporal punishment and show them whose boss!!

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Anonymous wrote:My MS child came home with a story about a student calling a teacher an a-hole and telling her to shut up in class today in front of everyone. This student isn't from the community and comes on a special program. It took 15 minutes for security to arrive, and the boy has been talking to the teacher like this all week. Kids said the teacher was crying. If the kid is back in class on Monday, I hope the teacher goes straight to the union.

MCPS will say that the teacher should have built a better relationship with the student.

This is not an exaggeration.

They will say that if the teacher has engaging lessons, students won't behave that way.

Well it's kind of true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can't this go like detention, suspension, then expulsion?

That stuff doesn't work. They need to try restorative which at least has a chance of working.

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Anonymous wrote:My MS child came home with a story about a student calling a teacher an a-hole and telling her to shut up in class today in front of everyone. This student isn't from the community and comes on a special program. It took 15 minutes for security to arrive, and the boy has been talking to the teacher like this all week. Kids said the teacher was crying. If the kid is back in class on Monday, I hope the teacher goes straight to the union.

MCPS will say that the teacher should have built a better relationship with the student.

This is not an exaggeration.

They will say that if the teacher has engaging lessons, students won't behave that way.

Well it's kind of true.

Nonsense, and you know it. I’ve had students be disruptive even during my most engaging and interesting lessons. Why? Because my lesson is just one small aspect of their lives. They are also dealing with interpersonal relationship problems, exposure to serious adult content on their iPhones, really complex family problems, and the list goes on. My lesson doesn’t take away the myriad of challenges children face. I may be able to distract them for a bit, but their problems remain.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can't this go like detention, suspension, then expulsion?

That stuff doesn't work. They need to try restorative which at least has a chance of working.

MCPS has been all in with restorative justice for the past few years now. It is clearly NOT working.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can't this go like detention, suspension, then expulsion?

That stuff doesn't work. They need to try restorative which at least has a chance of working.

MCPS has been all in with restorative justice for the past few years now. It is clearly NOT working.

I would actually argue that’s when it started getting much worse. RJ showed the kids that there are no true consequences to their behavior. (I’ve had a misbehaving student tell me he doesn’t care because he knows the worst that will happen is he’ll have to sit through RJ. He knew it was a farce.)

[Anonymous]

As a teacher, I have also been told by students that it doesn’t matter if they get sent to the office as nobody gets in trouble. They wander the halls, cuss in class, kick other kids chairs, pee on the floor in the bathroom, and create a hard working environment for the other 29 kids in the class. But they are correct. They do not get in trouble. They get told not to do it again and we repeat the cycle. If I call home, the parent either won’t answer the phone or cussed me out for bothering them.

At least when there are consequences, the kids understood that and the other students in the class saw they couldn’t get away with it. Now on top of the disruptive kid, others see they can get away with it and we have many kids acting this way.

Restorative justice has hurt rather than helped the class.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can't this go like detention, suspension, then expulsion?

That stuff doesn't work. They need to try restorative which at least has a chance of working.

MCPS has been all in with restorative justice for the past few years now. It is clearly NOT working.

I would actually argue that’s when it started getting much worse. RJ showed the kids that there are no true consequences to their behavior. (I’ve had a misbehaving student tell me he doesn’t care because he knows the worst that will happen is he’ll have to sit through RJ. He knew it was a farce.)

Fair point.

The school system sets behavior expectations early. When kids learn that there are no negative consequences for bad behavior, they continue with that bad behavior and it just gets worse.

Restorative Justice may sound great to our political leaders and Central Office employees, but they have very little interaction with our students on a day to day basis. Most politicians and Central Office employees are SO out of touch with what is going on in schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This type of behavior should never be tolerated if American schools are to retain teachers. Other cultures would never tolerate this disrespect. Honestly it’s the overly permissive liberal culture.

No, it’s the conservative desire for low taxed leading to not enough behavior specialists. Liberals support teachers and believe that they should have decent working conditions, and we’re willing to pay taxes at a level that makes that possible.

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Anonymous wrote:My MS child came home with a story about a student calling a teacher an a-hole and telling her to shut up in class today in front of everyone. This student isn't from the community and comes on a special program. It took 15 minutes for security to arrive, and the boy has been talking to the teacher like this all week. Kids said the teacher was crying. If the kid is back in class on Monday, I hope the teacher goes straight to the union.

MCPS will say that the teacher should have built a better relationship with the student.

This is not an exaggeration.

They will say that if the teacher has engaging lessons, students won't behave that way.

Well it's kind of true.

Nonsense, and you know it. I’ve had students be disruptive even during my most engaging and interesting lessons. Why? Because my lesson is just one small aspect of their lives. They are also dealing with interpersonal relationship problems, exposure to serious adult content on their iPhones, really complex family problems, and the list goes on. My lesson doesn’t take away the myriad of challenges children face. I may be able to distract them for a bit, but their problems remain.

The problem is excess discipline of children of color, even those from wealthy families. Since MCPS can't figure out how discipline kids fairly they choose not to discipline at all. That way they can blame parents for their own ineptitude instead of addressing racism.

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Anonymous wrote:My MS child came home with a story about a student calling a teacher an a-hole and telling her to shut up in class today in front of everyone. This student isn't from the community and comes on a special program. It took 15 minutes for security to arrive, and the boy has been talking to the teacher like this all week. Kids said the teacher was crying. If the kid is back in class on Monday, I hope the teacher goes straight to the union.

MCPS will say that the teacher should have built a better relationship with the student.

This is not an exaggeration.

They will say that if the teacher has engaging lessons, students won't behave that way.

Well it's kind of true.

Nonsense, and you know it. I’ve had students be disruptive even during my most engaging and interesting lessons. Why? Because my lesson is just one small aspect of their lives. They are also dealing with interpersonal relationship problems, exposure to serious adult content on their iPhones, really complex family problems, and the list goes on. My lesson doesn’t take away the myriad of challenges children face. I may be able to distract them for a bit, but their problems remain.

The problem is excess discipline of children of color, even those from wealthy families. Since MCPS can't figure out how discipline kids fairly they choose not to discipline at all. That way they can blame parents for their own ineptitude instead of addressing racism.

Common practice right now is to blame the teachers for poor behavior and classroom disruptions. I haven’t seen any of my administrators blame parents. Instead, the common response is “engage the kids more” or “make sure you place more focus on this child so he/she feels appreciated in your classroom.” I agree that systems are not disciplining at all, but they are also placing blame on overworked, abused, and powerless teachers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My MS child came home with a story about a student calling a teacher an a-hole and telling her to shut up in class today in front of everyone. This student isn't from the community and comes on a special program. It took 15 minutes for security to arrive, and the boy has been talking to the teacher like this all week. Kids said the teacher was crying. If the kid is back in class on Monday, I hope the teacher goes straight to the union.

But let’s not forget diversity. It’s not all bad news.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My MS child came home with a story about a student calling a teacher an a-hole and telling her to shut up in class today in front of everyone. This student isn't from the community and comes on a special program. It took 15 minutes for security to arrive, and the boy has been talking to the teacher like this all week. Kids said the teacher was crying. If the kid is back in class on Monday, I hope the teacher goes straight to the union.

This is a macro-aggression, punishable with 20 years in jail.

[Anonymous]

Ya'll need to understand that there is now a state law requiring RJ across all school in MD before consequences are applied. As someone else stated politicians and central office dont have enough skin in the game and dont realize the consequences/harm being done.

RJ is also away for school systems to stay out of trouble with parent lawsuits or federal investigations into disparate discipline. Now there is basically no useful referral/suspension data to report.

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Anonymous wrote:My MS child came home with a story about a student calling a teacher an a-hole and telling her to shut up in class today in front of everyone. This student isn't from the community and comes on a special program. It took 15 minutes for security to arrive, and the boy has been talking to the teacher like this all week. Kids said the teacher was crying. If the kid is back in class on Monday, I hope the teacher goes straight to the union.

MCPS will say that the teacher should have built a better relationship with the student.

This is not an exaggeration.

They will say that if the teacher has engaging lessons, students won't behave that way.

Well it's kind of true.

Nonsense, and you know it. I’ve had students be disruptive even during my most engaging and interesting lessons. Why? Because my lesson is just one small aspect of their lives. They are also dealing with interpersonal relationship problems, exposure to serious adult content on their iPhones, really complex family problems, and the list goes on. My lesson doesn’t take away the myriad of challenges children face. I may be able to distract them for a bit, but their problems remain.

The problem is excess discipline of children of color, even those from wealthy families. Since MCPS can't figure out how discipline kids fairly they choose not to discipline at all. That way they can blame parents for their own ineptitude instead of addressing racism.

Common practice right now is to blame the teachers for poor behavior and classroom disruptions. I haven’t seen any of my administrators blame parents. Instead, the common response is “engage the kids more” or “make sure you place more focus on this child so he/she feels appreciated in your classroom.” I agree that systems are not disciplining at all, but they are also placing blame on overworked, abused, and powerless teachers.

The teachers on this thread are blaming parents. The teachers are part of MCPS, and they are accountable for disparate treatment of children of color.