Student verbally assaulting teacher in front of class

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Anonymous wrote:My MS child came home with a story about a student calling a teacher an a-hole and telling her to shut up in class today in front of everyone. This student isn't from the community and comes on a special program. It took 15 minutes for security to arrive, and the boy has been talking to the teacher like this all week. Kids said the teacher was crying. If the kid is back in class on Monday, I hope the teacher goes straight to the union.

MCPS will say that the teacher should have built a better relationship with the student.

This is not an exaggeration.

They will say that if the teacher has engaging lessons, students won't behave that way.

Well it's kind of true.

Nonsense, and you know it. I’ve had students be disruptive even during my most engaging and interesting lessons. Why? Because my lesson is just one small aspect of their lives. They are also dealing with interpersonal relationship problems, exposure to serious adult content on their iPhones, really complex family problems, and the list goes on. My lesson doesn’t take away the myriad of challenges children face. I may be able to distract them for a bit, but their problems remain.

The problem is excess discipline of children of color, even those from wealthy families. Since MCPS can't figure out how discipline kids fairly they choose not to discipline at all. That way they can blame parents for their own ineptitude instead of addressing racism.

Common practice right now is to blame the teachers for poor behavior and classroom disruptions. I haven’t seen any of my administrators blame parents. Instead, the common response is “engage the kids more” or “make sure you place more focus on this child so he/she feels appreciated in your classroom.” I agree that systems are not disciplining at all, but they are also placing blame on overworked, abused, and powerless teachers.

The teachers on this thread are blaming parents. The teachers are part of MCPS, and they are accountable for disparate treatment of children of color.

The logic doesn’t follow. Teachers blame parents… teachers are part of MCPS… teachers should be held accountable. I’m not trying to downplay your comment about children of color, as I have seen the national data and know that to be true, but that doesn’t discredit the statement above saying teachers are usually blamed by MCPS for student behavior. I assume you agree that teachers are to blame?

Should MCPS itself hold any of the blame?

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Anonymous wrote:My MS child came home with a story about a student calling a teacher an a-hole and telling her to shut up in class today in front of everyone. This student isn't from the community and comes on a special program. It took 15 minutes for security to arrive, and the boy has been talking to the teacher like this all week. Kids said the teacher was crying. If the kid is back in class on Monday, I hope the teacher goes straight to the union.

MCPS will say that the teacher should have built a better relationship with the student.

This is not an exaggeration.

They will say that if the teacher has engaging lessons, students won't behave that way.

Well it's kind of true.

Nonsense, and you know it. I’ve had students be disruptive even during my most engaging and interesting lessons. Why? Because my lesson is just one small aspect of their lives. They are also dealing with interpersonal relationship problems, exposure to serious adult content on their iPhones, really complex family problems, and the list goes on. My lesson doesn’t take away the myriad of challenges children face. I may be able to distract them for a bit, but their problems remain.

The problem is excess discipline of children of color, even those from wealthy families. Since MCPS can't figure out how discipline kids fairly they choose not to discipline at all. That way they can blame parents for their own ineptitude instead of addressing racism.

Common practice right now is to blame the teachers for poor behavior and classroom disruptions. I haven’t seen any of my administrators blame parents. Instead, the common response is “engage the kids more” or “make sure you place more focus on this child so he/she feels appreciated in your classroom.” I agree that systems are not disciplining at all, but they are also placing blame on overworked, abused, and powerless teachers.

The teachers on this thread are blaming parents. The teachers are part of MCPS, and they are accountable for disparate treatment of children of color.

Are you saying that teachers on this thread are solely blaming POC parents? I have heard plenty of complaints of all parents on DCUM. In fact, the biggest complaint seems to be the entitled white parents.

Behaviors in MCPS schools are not acceptable and there are too many to handle. Teachers are quitting due to these behaviors. We need solutions rather than blame. Nobody can teach and no students can learn in environments that are not safe. Yet, that is what we are experiencing now.

If you go to the SN board, you will see/hear all of the frustration of trying to parent a child with behaviors, whether from ASD, ADHD, ODD, mental health, etc… It has never been recommended to parents that the best way to handle these behaviors is to let the child get away with it. These parents are frustrated and are often dealing 1-1. There is no way that a teacher can handle a class of 25-40 with even 2 or 3 severe behaviors without support. I get that some people want no consequences, but there has to be a way to change the behavior of at least handle the behavior. Currently, the only way is to blame the teachers or parents. But that doesn’t change anything! And restorative justice does not work when there is no staff to immediately address the issue and follow through.

We need solutions. If punishment removal is not the solution for kids who can’t behave in class, what is?

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Anonymous wrote:My MS child came home with a story about a student calling a teacher an a-hole and telling her to shut up in class today in front of everyone. This student isn't from the community and comes on a special program. It took 15 minutes for security to arrive, and the boy has been talking to the teacher like this all week. Kids said the teacher was crying. If the kid is back in class on Monday, I hope the teacher goes straight to the union.

MCPS will say that the teacher should have built a better relationship with the student.

This is not an exaggeration.

They will say that if the teacher has engaging lessons, students won't behave that way.

Well it's kind of true.

Nonsense, and you know it. I’ve had students be disruptive even during my most engaging and interesting lessons. Why? Because my lesson is just one small aspect of their lives. They are also dealing with interpersonal relationship problems, exposure to serious adult content on their iPhones, really complex family problems, and the list goes on. My lesson doesn’t take away the myriad of challenges children face. I may be able to distract them for a bit, but their problems remain.

The problem is excess discipline of children of color, even those from wealthy families. Since MCPS can't figure out how discipline kids fairly they choose not to discipline at all. That way they can blame parents for their own ineptitude instead of addressing racism.

Common practice right now is to blame the teachers for poor behavior and classroom disruptions. I haven’t seen any of my administrators blame parents. Instead, the common response is “engage the kids more” or “make sure you place more focus on this child so he/she feels appreciated in your classroom.” I agree that systems are not disciplining at all, but they are also placing blame on overworked, abused, and powerless teachers.

The teachers on this thread are blaming parents. The teachers are part of MCPS, and they are accountable for disparate treatment of children of color.

Are you saying that teachers on this thread are solely blaming POC parents? I have heard plenty of complaints of all parents on DCUM. In fact, the biggest complaint seems to be the entitled white parents.

Behaviors in MCPS schools are not acceptable and there are too many to handle. Teachers are quitting due to these behaviors. We need solutions rather than blame. Nobody can teach and no students can learn in environments that are not safe. Yet, that is what we are experiencing now.

If you go to the SN board, you will see/hear all of the frustration of trying to parent a child with behaviors, whether from ASD, ADHD, ODD, mental health, etc… It has never been recommended to parents that the best way to handle these behaviors is to let the child get away with it. These parents are frustrated and are often dealing 1-1. There is no way that a teacher can handle a class of 25-40 with even 2 or 3 severe behaviors without support. I get that some people want no consequences, but there has to be a way to change the behavior of at least handle the behavior. Currently, the only way is to blame the teachers or parents. But that doesn’t change anything! And restorative justice does not work when there is no staff to immediately address the issue and follow through.

We need solutions. If punishment removal is not the solution for kids who can’t behave in class, what is?

I am not going to respond to everything you posted here because it is pretty much all defensiveness that has nothing to do with what I wrote.
I will just say that the solutions proposed in this thread are to back to more consequences, with no acknowledgment that MCPS needs to address racism or those consequences will cause greater harm to students of color.

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Anonymous wrote:This type of behavior should never be tolerated if American schools are to retain teachers. Other cultures would never tolerate this disrespect. Honestly it’s the overly permissive liberal culture.

That's why they should bring back coporal punishment and show them whose boss!!

What an ignorant, disgusting response. You're not intelligent enough to come up with anything other than violence.

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Anonymous wrote:My MS child came home with a story about a student calling a teacher an a-hole and telling her to shut up in class today in front of everyone. This student isn't from the community and comes on a special program. It took 15 minutes for security to arrive, and the boy has been talking to the teacher like this all week. Kids said the teacher was crying. If the kid is back in class on Monday, I hope the teacher goes straight to the union.

MCPS will say that the teacher should have built a better relationship with the student.

This is not an exaggeration.

They will say that if the teacher has engaging lessons, students won't behave that way.

Well it's kind of true.

Nonsense, and you know it. I’ve had students be disruptive even during my most engaging and interesting lessons. Why? Because my lesson is just one small aspect of their lives. They are also dealing with interpersonal relationship problems, exposure to serious adult content on their iPhones, really complex family problems, and the list goes on. My lesson doesn’t take away the myriad of challenges children face. I may be able to distract them for a bit, but their problems remain.

The problem is excess discipline of children of color, even those from wealthy families. Since MCPS can't figure out how discipline kids fairly they choose not to discipline at all. That way they can blame parents for their own ineptitude instead of addressing racism.

Common practice right now is to blame the teachers for poor behavior and classroom disruptions. I haven’t seen any of my administrators blame parents. Instead, the common response is “engage the kids more” or “make sure you place more focus on this child so he/she feels appreciated in your classroom.” I agree that systems are not disciplining at all, but they are also placing blame on overworked, abused, and powerless teachers.

The teachers on this thread are blaming parents. The teachers are part of MCPS, and they are accountable for disparate treatment of children of color.

Are you saying that teachers on this thread are solely blaming POC parents? I have heard plenty of complaints of all parents on DCUM. In fact, the biggest complaint seems to be the entitled white parents.

Behaviors in MCPS schools are not acceptable and there are too many to handle. Teachers are quitting due to these behaviors. We need solutions rather than blame. Nobody can teach and no students can learn in environments that are not safe. Yet, that is what we are experiencing now.

If you go to the SN board, you will see/hear all of the frustration of trying to parent a child with behaviors, whether from ASD, ADHD, ODD, mental health, etc… It has never been recommended to parents that the best way to handle these behaviors is to let the child get away with it. These parents are frustrated and are often dealing 1-1. There is no way that a teacher can handle a class of 25-40 with even 2 or 3 severe behaviors without support. I get that some people want no consequences, but there has to be a way to change the behavior of at least handle the behavior. Currently, the only way is to blame the teachers or parents. But that doesn’t change anything! And restorative justice does not work when there is no staff to immediately address the issue and follow through.

We need solutions. If punishment removal is not the solution for kids who can’t behave in class, what is?

I am not going to respond to everything you posted here because it is pretty much all defensiveness that has nothing to do with what I wrote.
I will just say that the solutions proposed in this thread are to back to more consequences, with no acknowledgment that MCPS needs to address racism or those consequences will cause greater harm to students of color.

Different poster here, not the one you are responding to.

I see a lot of posters offering suggestions. Apparently you don’t like them. What are yours? In case my tone doesn’t express it, I’m sincerely curious. If MCPS acknowledges racism in the classroom exists, which I’m sure it has several times over by now, what else would you like to see them try?

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Anonymous wrote:My MS child came home with a story about a student calling a teacher an a-hole and telling her to shut up in class today in front of everyone. This student isn't from the community and comes on a special program. It took 15 minutes for security to arrive, and the boy has been talking to the teacher like this all week. Kids said the teacher was crying. If the kid is back in class on Monday, I hope the teacher goes straight to the union.

MCPS will say that the teacher should have built a better relationship with the student.

This is not an exaggeration.

They will say that if the teacher has engaging lessons, students won't behave that way.

Well it's kind of true.

Nonsense, and you know it. I’ve had students be disruptive even during my most engaging and interesting lessons. Why? Because my lesson is just one small aspect of their lives. They are also dealing with interpersonal relationship problems, exposure to serious adult content on their iPhones, really complex family problems, and the list goes on. My lesson doesn’t take away the myriad of challenges children face. I may be able to distract them for a bit, but their problems remain.

The problem is excess discipline of children of color, even those from wealthy families. Since MCPS can't figure out how discipline kids fairly they choose not to discipline at all. That way they can blame parents for their own ineptitude instead of addressing racism.

Common practice right now is to blame the teachers for poor behavior and classroom disruptions. I haven’t seen any of my administrators blame parents. Instead, the common response is “engage the kids more” or “make sure you place more focus on this child so he/she feels appreciated in your classroom.” I agree that systems are not disciplining at all, but they are also placing blame on overworked, abused, and powerless teachers.

The teachers on this thread are blaming parents. The teachers are part of MCPS, and they are accountable for disparate treatment of children of color.

Are you saying that teachers on this thread are solely blaming POC parents? I have heard plenty of complaints of all parents on DCUM. In fact, the biggest complaint seems to be the entitled white parents.

Behaviors in MCPS schools are not acceptable and there are too many to handle. Teachers are quitting due to these behaviors. We need solutions rather than blame. Nobody can teach and no students can learn in environments that are not safe. Yet, that is what we are experiencing now.

If you go to the SN board, you will see/hear all of the frustration of trying to parent a child with behaviors, whether from ASD, ADHD, ODD, mental health, etc… It has never been recommended to parents that the best way to handle these behaviors is to let the child get away with it. These parents are frustrated and are often dealing 1-1. There is no way that a teacher can handle a class of 25-40 with even 2 or 3 severe behaviors without support. I get that some people want no consequences, but there has to be a way to change the behavior of at least handle the behavior. Currently, the only way is to blame the teachers or parents. But that doesn’t change anything! And restorative justice does not work when there is no staff to immediately address the issue and follow through.

We need solutions. If punishment removal is not the solution for kids who can’t behave in class, what is?

I am not going to respond to everything you posted here because it is pretty much all defensiveness that has nothing to do with what I wrote.
I will just say that the solutions proposed in this thread are to back to more consequences, with no acknowledgment that MCPS needs to address racism or those consequences will cause greater harm to students of color.

Different poster here, not the one you are responding to.

I see a lot of posters offering suggestions. Apparently you don’t like them. What are yours? In case my tone doesn’t express it, I’m sincerely curious. If MCPS acknowledges racism in the classroom exists, which I’m sure it has several times over by now, what else would you like to see them try?

I already said what I think of those suggestions. You seem to be giving MCPS a lot of credit, but the data shows that them "acknowledging" racism has not moved the needle. I'm sure you'll come back and say"well they can't do anythong about parenting" and this conversation will keep going on in circles.

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Anonymous wrote:As a teacher, I have also been told by students that it doesn’t matter if they get sent to the office as nobody gets in trouble. They wander the halls, cuss in class, kick other kids chairs, pee on the floor in the bathroom, and create a hard working environment for the other 29 kids in the class. But they are correct. They do not get in trouble. They get told not to do it again and we repeat the cycle. If I call home, the parent either won’t answer the phone or cussed me out for bothering them.

At least when there are consequences, the kids understood that and the other students in the class saw they couldn’t get away with it. Now on top of the disruptive kid, others see they can get away with it and we have many kids acting this way.

Restorative justice has hurt rather than helped the class.

I could have written this myself. Do you teach third grade too? So sad it has come to this....

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What’s your evidence that MCPS is racist? You believe the black and Latino kids are punished more and more severely than white kids?

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Anonymous wrote:My MS child came home with a story about a student calling a teacher an a-hole and telling her to shut up in class today in front of everyone. This student isn't from the community and comes on a special program. It took 15 minutes for security to arrive, and the boy has been talking to the teacher like this all week. Kids said the teacher was crying. If the kid is back in class on Monday, I hope the teacher goes straight to the union.

MCPS will say that the teacher should have built a better relationship with the student.

This is not an exaggeration.

They will say that if the teacher has engaging lessons, students won't behave that way.

Well it's kind of true.

Nonsense, and you know it. I’ve had students be disruptive even during my most engaging and interesting lessons. Why? Because my lesson is just one small aspect of their lives. They are also dealing with interpersonal relationship problems, exposure to serious adult content on their iPhones, really complex family problems, and the list goes on. My lesson doesn’t take away the myriad of challenges children face. I may be able to distract them for a bit, but their problems remain.

The problem is excess discipline of children of color, even those from wealthy families. Since MCPS can't figure out how discipline kids fairly they choose not to discipline at all. That way they can blame parents for their own ineptitude instead of addressing racism.

Common practice right now is to blame the teachers for poor behavior and classroom disruptions. I haven’t seen any of my administrators blame parents. Instead, the common response is “engage the kids more” or “make sure you place more focus on this child so he/she feels appreciated in your classroom.” I agree that systems are not disciplining at all, but they are also placing blame on overworked, abused, and powerless teachers.

The teachers on this thread are blaming parents. The teachers are part of MCPS, and they are accountable for disparate treatment of children of color.

Are you saying that teachers on this thread are solely blaming POC parents? I have heard plenty of complaints of all parents on DCUM. In fact, the biggest complaint seems to be the entitled white parents.

Behaviors in MCPS schools are not acceptable and there are too many to handle. Teachers are quitting due to these behaviors. We need solutions rather than blame. Nobody can teach and no students can learn in environments that are not safe. Yet, that is what we are experiencing now.

If you go to the SN board, you will see/hear all of the frustration of trying to parent a child with behaviors, whether from ASD, ADHD, ODD, mental health, etc… It has never been recommended to parents that the best way to handle these behaviors is to let the child get away with it. These parents are frustrated and are often dealing 1-1. There is no way that a teacher can handle a class of 25-40 with even 2 or 3 severe behaviors without support. I get that some people want no consequences, but there has to be a way to change the behavior of at least handle the behavior. Currently, the only way is to blame the teachers or parents. But that doesn’t change anything! And restorative justice does not work when there is no staff to immediately address the issue and follow through.

We need solutions. If punishment removal is not the solution for kids who can’t behave in class, what is?

I am not going to respond to everything you posted here because it is pretty much all defensiveness that has nothing to do with what I wrote.
I will just say that the solutions proposed in this thread are to back to more consequences, with no acknowledgment that MCPS needs to address racism or those consequences will cause greater harm to students of color.

Different poster here, not the one you are responding to.

I see a lot of posters offering suggestions. Apparently you don’t like them. What are yours? In case my tone doesn’t express it, I’m sincerely curious. If MCPS acknowledges racism in the classroom exists, which I’m sure it has several times over by now, what else would you like to see them try?

I already said what I think of those suggestions. You seem to be giving MCPS a lot of credit, but the data shows that them "acknowledging" racism has not moved the needle. I'm sure you'll come back and say"well they can't do anythong about parenting" and this conversation will keep going on in circles.

No, I wouldn’t say that. In fact, I’ve never made a comment about parenting on this thread or any other. What suggestions do you have for stopping dangerous behavior? Clearly we can all agree that we can’t have regular disruptions in our classrooms. RJ is not working. Students see right through it and regularly mock the idea now. So what do we do? Serious question, trying to move this thread forward.

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Anonymous wrote:My MS child came home with a story about a student calling a teacher an a-hole and telling her to shut up in class today in front of everyone. This student isn't from the community and comes on a special program. It took 15 minutes for security to arrive, and the boy has been talking to the teacher like this all week. Kids said the teacher was crying. If the kid is back in class on Monday, I hope the teacher goes straight to the union.

MCPS will say that the teacher should have built a better relationship with the student.

This is not an exaggeration.

They will say that if the teacher has engaging lessons, students won't behave that way.

Well it's kind of true.

Nonsense, and you know it. I’ve had students be disruptive even during my most engaging and interesting lessons. Why? Because my lesson is just one small aspect of their lives. They are also dealing with interpersonal relationship problems, exposure to serious adult content on their iPhones, really complex family problems, and the list goes on. My lesson doesn’t take away the myriad of challenges children face. I may be able to distract them for a bit, but their problems remain.

The problem is excess discipline of children of color, even those from wealthy families. Since MCPS can't figure out how discipline kids fairly they choose not to discipline at all. That way they can blame parents for their own ineptitude instead of addressing racism.

Common practice right now is to blame the teachers for poor behavior and classroom disruptions. I haven’t seen any of my administrators blame parents. Instead, the common response is “engage the kids more” or “make sure you place more focus on this child so he/she feels appreciated in your classroom.” I agree that systems are not disciplining at all, but they are also placing blame on overworked, abused, and powerless teachers.

The teachers on this thread are blaming parents. The teachers are part of MCPS, and they are accountable for disparate treatment of children of color.

Are you saying that teachers on this thread are solely blaming POC parents? I have heard plenty of complaints of all parents on DCUM. In fact, the biggest complaint seems to be the entitled white parents.

Behaviors in MCPS schools are not acceptable and there are too many to handle. Teachers are quitting due to these behaviors. We need solutions rather than blame. Nobody can teach and no students can learn in environments that are not safe. Yet, that is what we are experiencing now.

If you go to the SN board, you will see/hear all of the frustration of trying to parent a child with behaviors, whether from ASD, ADHD, ODD, mental health, etc… It has never been recommended to parents that the best way to handle these behaviors is to let the child get away with it. These parents are frustrated and are often dealing 1-1. There is no way that a teacher can handle a class of 25-40 with even 2 or 3 severe behaviors without support. I get that some people want no consequences, but there has to be a way to change the behavior of at least handle the behavior. Currently, the only way is to blame the teachers or parents. But that doesn’t change anything! And restorative justice does not work when there is no staff to immediately address the issue and follow through.

We need solutions. If punishment removal is not the solution for kids who can’t behave in class, what is?

I am not going to respond to everything you posted here because it is pretty much all defensiveness that has nothing to do with what I wrote.
I will just say that the solutions proposed in this thread are to back to more consequences, with no acknowledgment that MCPS needs to address racism or those consequences will cause greater harm to students of color.

Different poster here, not the one you are responding to.

I see a lot of posters offering suggestions. Apparently you don’t like them. What are yours? In case my tone doesn’t express it, I’m sincerely curious. If MCPS acknowledges racism in the classroom exists, which I’m sure it has several times over by now, what else would you like to see them try?

I already said what I think of those suggestions. You seem to be giving MCPS a lot of credit, but the data shows that them "acknowledging" racism has not moved the needle. I'm sure you'll come back and say"well they can't do anythong about parenting" and this conversation will keep going on in circles.

No, I wouldn’t say that. In fact, I’ve never made a comment about parenting on this thread or any other. What suggestions do you have for stopping dangerous behavior? Clearly we can all agree that we can’t have regular disruptions in our classrooms. RJ is not working. Students see right through it and regularly mock the idea now. So what do we do? Serious question, trying to move this thread forward.

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I am a 5th grade teacher. For those who are not in the classroom and not observing how bad things are, what are your solutions? Things cannot continue this way. Things are REALLY bad. Restorative justice is not working to change the behavior- it is only exacerbating them. Please try to imagine a classroom that is completely out of control and a teacher not allowed to send a child out. Imagine if it was your own elementary student in a classroom where no teaching can take place due to behaviors of other students. Would you be okay with that? The kids who are ready to learn are truly suffering right now. They cannot learn because the teacher cannot teach. I will repeat, things are REALLY bad.

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Anonymous wrote:As a teacher, I have also been told by students that it doesn’t matter if they get sent to the office as nobody gets in trouble. They wander the halls, cuss in class, kick other kids chairs, pee on the floor in the bathroom, and create a hard working environment for the other 29 kids in the class. But they are correct. They do not get in trouble. They get told not to do it again and we repeat the cycle. If I call home, the parent either won’t answer the phone or cussed me out for bothering them.

At least when there are consequences, the kids understood that and the other students in the class saw they couldn’t get away with it. Now on top of the disruptive kid, others see they can get away with it and we have many kids acting this way.

Restorative justice has hurt rather than helped the class.

I could have written this myself. Do you teach third grade too? So sad it has come to this....

5th at a difficult focus school. I’ve been at the same school for 10 years and it was only when we switched to restorative justice have things really deteriorated.

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Anonymous wrote:This type of behavior should never be tolerated if American schools are to retain teachers. Other cultures would never tolerate this disrespect. Honestly it’s the overly permissive liberal culture.

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Anonymous wrote:As a teacher, I have also been told by students that it doesn’t matter if they get sent to the office as nobody gets in trouble. They wander the halls, cuss in class, kick other kids chairs, pee on the floor in the bathroom, and create a hard working environment for the other 29 kids in the class. But they are correct. They do not get in trouble. They get told not to do it again and we repeat the cycle. If I call home, the parent either won’t answer the phone or cussed me out for bothering them.

At least when there are consequences, the kids understood that and the other students in the class saw they couldn’t get away with it. Now on top of the disruptive kid, others see they can get away with it and we have many kids acting this way.

Restorative justice has hurt rather than helped the class.

I could have written this myself. Do you teach third grade too? So sad it has come to this....

5th at a difficult focus school. I’ve been at the same school for 10 years and it was only when we switched to restorative justice have things really deteriorated.

NP here. I'm also a teacher at an elementary focus school and student behavior has been declining since at least 2017. If we hadn't gone out in March 2020 I'm not sure how we would have made it the final three months. That year was pure hell. I think some of us are now just unphased at the craziness that goes on in classrooms. I always wonder how none of this ends up being dinner time conversation at home? If any of my kids came home and told me about this stuff, I'd be at the principal's door the next day. I realize the families in our communities are very busy but you would think at least a few would be up in arms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is why no one wants to be a teacher. The people running the schools and school systems have decided that kids are in charge, especially the a hole ones.

Nope. They have decided that parents are in charge. Kids run the schools because parents are afraid of their children.

[Anonymous]

I used to tell people that Focus schools were the best. They had a great mix of students and some extra support. The students who were challenging were taken out of the classroom immediately and not returned until they were prepared to learn. Now, I wouldn’t even consider focus schools for my children. By taking all discipline away from the principals and raising class sizes, we just have a disaster. At least Title 1 have the extra support. Our school is a mess. I feel so bad for all the students (the majority) who want a good experience at school. The few big behavior kids in each class are ruining it for everyone. And teachers are fleeing our school ( and all focus schools). We have so many openings still.