Why would an Ivy League college suspend a destitute Black boy for a year?

[Anonymous]

I know a white person kicked out for a year. They let the person come back. I think it was for cheating or low grades.

[Anonymous]

He’s not Ivy League material.

Find a better fit. Learn from mistakes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All cheating is bad regardless and if you take a chance cheating, you take a chance of getting caught. No sympathy, whether it's him or my wealthy white/South Asian daughter.

Thank you for dropping your mask and revealing your racism and classism. I feel sorry for you that you can't seeing the evil involved when Ivy League PhDs bait and entrap low-income unsophisticated students with online assignments loaded with tracking software, railroad them with Ivy bureaucracy when they know they have zero resources, and quite literally make them homeless for a year. A college with tens of billions of dollars in an endowment. Literally putting this teen boy in jail for a year would be safer. At least he would have shelter and food.

Sounds like you are blaming the pp, not the person who cheated and didn't go to the meeting to see if he could be helped. This is not how you or the kid is going to do well in this society. Calling people racist or classist doesn't change anything. I am sorry you don't see this.

I have empathy for the poor - do you? I recognize signs of anxiety, depression, humiliation, and zero resources - do Ivy League PhDs?

OP, why won’t you answer if you are willing to host him? If not, why not? Is he sleeping on the street tonight (as you indicated up thread)?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP: At this point, you are aware of the young man's circumstances. Why not assist him in getting housing and a job ?

With respect to the punishment received, maybe the young man can get the school to grant him a hearing in mitigation of the punishment as the student is not contesting the charge of cheating. Try to get the school to agree to remove this incident from the student's permanent record if he completes his degree requirements without further cheating infractions / offenses.

Advise the young man to act like a responsible young adult by accepting responsibility without blaming others and asking the school for a reconsideration of the disciplinary decision.

But, first, ask the young man whether he had any prior disciplinary actions against him while at this school. Tell him that embarrassment is not a defense and it is not a strategy.

He forwarded me an email chain. It appears he fessed up to the professor immediately. The professor immediately used the confession in writing to turn him into administration. It is clear that the professor was pretending to be an on his side "good cop" to bait him to confess. The professor then used this confession to help railroad him. I am sure all of the rich white, Asian and Indian PhDs I see CCd on the email chain feel really big and smug taking down a destitute Black teenager.

Instead of complaining here, why don’t you offer to help him?

[Anonymous]

I think this is a troll post.

Even if it isn't, I don't think the subject's business discussed in an anonymous forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think this is a troll post.

Even if it isn't, I don't think the subject's business discussed in an anonymous forum.

Agree. OP is racist, creative fiction writer.

[Anonymous]

Tell him to call a reporter to publicise the story and embarrass Harvard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tell him to call a reporter to publicise the story and embarrass Harvard.

Huh? He’d only be embarrassing himself and killing any future career prospects.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All cheating is bad regardless and if you take a chance cheating, you take a chance of getting caught. No sympathy, whether it's him or my wealthy white/South Asian daughter.

Thank you for dropping your mask and revealing your racism and classism. I feel sorry for you that you can't seeing the evil involved when Ivy League PhDs bait and entrap low-income unsophisticated students with online assignments loaded with tracking software, railroad them with Ivy bureaucracy when they know they have zero resources, and quite literally make them homeless for a year. A college with tens of billions of dollars in an endowment. Literally putting this teen boy in jail for a year would be safer. At least he would have shelter and food.

The conspiracy theory doesn't fly here. They weren't out to get him or trying to make him homeless. They didn't "railroad" him; he didn't show up for the meeting. I hate all that tracking software stuff, but he cheated. He got caught. He blew off the meeting. They suspended him. None of this is "evil" or "baiting and entrapping" anyone.

I'd bet over 90pc of the students caught with the tracking software are means-based financial aid students who don't know any better and it's not explained to them it even exists. Picking off low-hanging fruit.

[Anonymous]

I’m so confused. How would the people at the ethics meeting know his economic status/know he’d be homeless if suspended when he didn’t show up to tell them so?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All cheating is bad regardless and if you take a chance cheating, you take a chance of getting caught. No sympathy, whether it's him or my wealthy white/South Asian daughter.

Thank you for dropping your mask and revealing your racism and classism. I feel sorry for you that you can't seeing the evil involved when Ivy League PhDs bait and entrap low-income unsophisticated students with online assignments loaded with tracking software, railroad them with Ivy bureaucracy when they know they have zero resources, and quite literally make them homeless for a year. A college with tens of billions of dollars in an endowment. Literally putting this teen boy in jail for a year would be safer. At least he would have shelter and food.

The conspiracy theory doesn't fly here. They weren't out to get him or trying to make him homeless. They didn't "railroad" him; he didn't show up for the meeting. I hate all that tracking software stuff, but he cheated. He got caught. He blew off the meeting. They suspended him. None of this is "evil" or "baiting and entrapping" anyone.

I'd bet over 90pc of the students caught with the tracking software are means-based financial aid students who don't know any better and it's not explained to them it even exists. Picking off low-hanging fruit.

I’m pretty sure every student has to sign some kind of honour code on enrollment. The school did in fact tell them not to cheat. 🙄

[Anonymous]

I’m so confused. How would the people at the ethics meeting know his economic status/know he’d be homeless if suspended when he didn’t show up to tell them so?

This, and why would it matter? Is OP advocating for a double-standard for college honor code enforcement?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All cheating is bad regardless and if you take a chance cheating, you take a chance of getting caught. No sympathy, whether it's him or my wealthy white/South Asian daughter.

Thank you for dropping your mask and revealing your racism and classism. I feel sorry for you that you can't seeing the evil involved when Ivy League PhDs bait and entrap low-income unsophisticated students with online assignments loaded with tracking software, railroad them with Ivy bureaucracy when they know they have zero resources, and quite literally make them homeless for a year. A college with tens of billions of dollars in an endowment. Literally putting this teen boy in jail for a year would be safer. At least he would have shelter and food.

This is so over the top and wrongheaded that it has to be a joke. Right?

No it's not a joke, Inspector Javert. I'm sorry if you get off on this sort of thing. I don't get off on destitute Black teenagers with nothing and nobody getting zero tolerance railroaded by PhDs and a college with tens of billions of dollars.

This is a crazy word salad of hyperbole and incendiary talk. Social circumstances don't legitimize cheating (neither do lawyers or privilege). I have never given students a pass for the latter, and do not typically know about the former unless a student communicates it. I am receptive to a student who comes to me with remorse and the desire to do better or learn how they made a mistakeif it was a mistake (though guessingthat this situation was egregious if it resultedin a meeting with the academic office), but this student did do that, and he sounds like his actions of failing to appear at the meeting triggered a suspension. Let's be constructive here. OP should help this student appeal the situation and demonstrate good faith to be offered another chance. He needs an advocate. Blaming the university or other students does not help this student.

Also, you are no Jean Valjean with your vitriol and misplaced blame. Take a lesson from the Monsignor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All cheating is bad regardless and if you take a chance cheating, you take a chance of getting caught. No sympathy, whether it's him or my wealthy white/South Asian daughter.

Thank you for dropping your mask and revealing your racism and classism. I feel sorry for you that you can't seeing the evil involved when Ivy League PhDs bait and entrap low-income unsophisticated students with online assignments loaded with tracking software, railroad them with Ivy bureaucracy when they know they have zero resources, and quite literally make them homeless for a year. A college with tens of billions of dollars in an endowment. Literally putting this teen boy in jail for a year would be safer. At least he would have shelter and food.

Would you feel same for White student?

Yes, making a teen student homeless, no job, no car, and literally endangering their life in one of the most dangerous major cities in the nation is wickedly evil. They have tens of billions of dollars at their disposal.

He made himself homeless by choosing to cheat. Way to squander such an amazing opportunity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like he’s not cut out for the Ivy League. This may be a blessing in disguise. If he was smart enough to be excepted, then he should be smart enough to navigate a way forward. Join the military.

There you go, OP. Food and shelter provided. Problem solved. Bless your bleeding heart.