Why would an Ivy League college suspend a destitute Black boy for a year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m so confused. How would the people at the ethics meeting know his economic status/know he’d be homeless if suspended when he didn’t show up to tell them so?

A rich kid wouldn’t be naive enough to admit guilt in writing or no-show, they’d show up with daddy’s lawyers and fight. And get away with it.

[Anonymous]

The least believable part of all this is that a teenager used Facebook.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All cheating is bad regardless and if you take a chance cheating, you take a chance of getting caught. No sympathy, whether it's him or my wealthy white/South Asian daughter.

Thank you for dropping your mask and revealing your racism and classism. I feel sorry for you that you can't seeing the evil involved when Ivy League PhDs bait and entrap low-income unsophisticated students with online assignments loaded with tracking software, railroad them with Ivy bureaucracy when they know they have zero resources, and quite literally make them homeless for a year. A college with tens of billions of dollars in an endowment. Literally putting this teen boy in jail for a year would be safer. At least he would have shelter and food.

The conspiracy theory doesn't fly here. They weren't out to get him or trying to make him homeless. They didn't "railroad" him; he didn't show up for the meeting. I hate all that tracking software stuff, but he cheated. He got caught. He blew off the meeting. They suspended him. None of this is "evil" or "baiting and entrapping" anyone.

I'd bet over 90pc of the students caught with the tracking software are means-based financial aid students who don't know any better and it's not explained to them it even exists. Picking off low-hanging fruit.

I’m pretty sure every student has to sign some kind of honour code on enrollment. The school did in fact tell them not to cheat. 🙄

Any Ivy League student (of any means) with the ability to install tracking software on their personal computer is bright enough to know cheating is wrong and punishable in a university setting.

[Anonymous]

I am on page one but the story sounds fishy
What does he expect you to do, what is he hoping for?
Call me paranoid but what if he was kicked out for drugs and is trying to get some money off of you?

[Anonymous]

He is actually very very lucky he did not get kicked out forever as he should have been.
He admitted to cheating
He should go to Duke and then he can give the speech at graduation. Put those plagiarizing skills to work

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why does it matter the fact that he is a black?
Do not call “black boy”. Young man is much better than boy

Young man does not fit her narrative of the impoverished black student being victimized by his white, Asian and Indian PhDs professors. The blame shifting is unreal. The student cheated and skipped his hearing, so he came off as not taking his violation seriously. OP is not helping her mentee by insisting on discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A young man I mentored years ago randomly reached out to me on facebook for advice because he is homeless after his college suspended him for cheating on an online assignment. He believes he was caught with some sort of tracking software, which he wasn't aware of. He said wealthier classmates cheat, but are savvier ex. know to do it with more than one computer. He fessed up when caught but was too embarrassed to go to a meeting they had about it. He was later notified he was kicked out for two semesters (sounds like a default judgment in court?). I'm not going to rationalize cheating but I believe there are varying degrees of it and don't get how or why a filthy rich college would throw a destitute Black teenager out on the street to punish him? A year out of college, locked out of campus recruiting, delaying his graduation and professional start a year, is more severe punishment than most campus rapists. And for what? Is he supposed to learn his lesson and come back reformed? Wouldn't this young man be better served if he was given resources and mentors, instead of being sent kicked to the curb with zero resources? Or is this a roundabout way of expelling him, as in they hope he doesn't come back?

OP, you are Racist.

[Anonymous]

Integrity, values, accountability.

The youth can get a job for a couple of semesters. Hopefully he will learn some good life skills on the job.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All cheating is bad regardless and if you take a chance cheating, you take a chance of getting caught. No sympathy, whether it's him or my wealthy white/South Asian daughter.

Thank you for dropping your mask and revealing your racism and classism. I feel sorry for you that you can't seeing the evil involved when Ivy League PhDs bait and entrap low-income unsophisticated students with online assignments loaded with tracking software, railroad them with Ivy bureaucracy when they know they have zero resources, and quite literally make them homeless for a year. A college with tens of billions of dollars in an endowment. Literally putting this teen boy in jail for a year would be safer. At least he would have shelter and food.

The conspiracy theory doesn't fly here. They weren't out to get him or trying to make him homeless. They didn't "railroad" him; he didn't show up for the meeting. I hate all that tracking software stuff, but he cheated. He got caught. He blew off the meeting. They suspended him. None of this is "evil" or "baiting and entrapping" anyone.

As a black person I feel sad about the student's predicament. This, I believe, highlights the unique value of HBCUs. People don't feel so isolated that they are afraid to reach out. Mentors abound. On the other hand, I hope that this incident is the warning the student needs. I think this generation is ill-served by our refusal to inculcate certain values in them. If you do not come from a position of socioeconomic privilege, everything -- regardless of your ethnicity -- is going to be harder for you until you die basically. The punishment will be meted unfairly. We all find respectability politics infuriating but the advantage was that young folks understood the lay of the land in this country.

[Anonymous]

will be meted OUT unfairly

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Good candidate for dumbest thread ever.

[Anonymous]

“after his college suspended him for cheating on an online assignment.”

What more do you need to know? He’s lucky he wasn’t expelled.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP: At this point, you are aware of the young man's circumstances. Why not assist him in getting housing and a job ?

With respect to the punishment received, maybe the young man can get the school to grant him a hearing in mitigation of the punishment as the student is not contesting the charge of cheating. Try to get the school to agree to remove this incident from the student's permanent record if he completes his degree requirements without further cheating infractions / offenses.

Advise the young man to act like a responsible young adult by accepting responsibility without blaming others and asking the school for a reconsideration of the disciplinary decision.

But, first, ask the young man whether he had any prior disciplinary actions against him while at this school. Tell him that embarrassment is not a defense and it is not a strategy.

He forwarded me an email chain. It appears he fessed up to the professor immediately. The professor immediately used the confession in writing to turn him into administration. It is clear that the professor was pretending to be an on his side "good cop" to bait him to confess. The professor then used this confession to help railroad him. I am sure all of the rich white, Asian and Indian PhDs I see CCd on the email chain feel really big and smug taking down a destitute Black teenager.

OMG. You are like a parody of some conservative’s imagining of a “woke liberal”. You cannot be real. The rich Indian PhD probably was the child of an immigrant who may have had very little in the way of family wealth. The person you assumed was a rich white person because their name was Dr. Melissa Edwards (making up something) might very well have been black. How do you know?

And regardless, they are there to enforce academic integrity. Nobody is trying to “trap” him. He knows he shouldn’t be cheating.

It is good that he fessed up to the prof. He should have continued to follow up and resolve the issue to the best of his ability. He can still do so. He (and you) have to be clear he was in the wrong but asking for a second chance. Ignore all your rage about the system etc. it is true he would have been better off with a parent who knows this world a little better. But in the absence of that, he has to navigate this on his own. This young man has a great opportunity ahead of him to really set his life on a different path from where he came. This is a hiccup and he paying the price for being young and dumb. But he can make the price more affordable and he can graduate. Someday he can sit in judgement as one of those “rich PhDs” if he wants to.

+1 Can’t tell you how many posts I see on here that I’m certain are some conservative’s fantasy of a liberal

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:OP: At this point, you are aware of the young man's circumstances. Why not assist him in getting housing and a job ?

With respect to the punishment received, maybe the young man can get the school to grant him a hearing in mitigation of the punishment as the student is not contesting the charge of cheating. Try to get the school to agree to remove this incident from the student's permanent record if he completes his degree requirements without further cheating infractions / offenses.

Advise the young man to act like a responsible young adult by accepting responsibility without blaming others and asking the school for a reconsideration of the disciplinary decision.

But, first, ask the young man whether he had any prior disciplinary actions against him while at this school. Tell him that embarrassment is not a defense and it is not a strategy.

He forwarded me an email chain. It appears he fessed up to the professor immediately. The professor immediately used the confession in writing to turn him into administration. It is clear that the professor was pretending to be an on his side "good cop" to bait him to confess. The professor then used this confession to help railroad him. I am sure all of the rich white, Asian and Indian PhDs I see CCd on the email chain feel really big and smug taking down a destitute Black teenager.

OMG. You are like a parody of some conservative’s imagining of a “woke liberal”. You cannot be real. The rich Indian PhD probably was the child of an immigrant who may have had very little in the way of family wealth. The person you assumed was a rich white person because their name was Dr. Melissa Edwards (making up something) might very well have been black. How do you know?

And regardless, they are there to enforce academic integrity. Nobody is trying to “trap” him. He knows he shouldn’t be cheating.

It is good that he fessed up to the prof. He should have continued to follow up and resolve the issue to the best of his ability. He can still do so. He (and you) have to be clear he was in the wrong but asking for a second chance. Ignore all your rage about the system etc. it is true he would have been better off with a parent who knows this world a little better. But in the absence of that, he has to navigate this on his own. This young man has a great opportunity ahead of him to really set his life on a different path from where he came. This is a hiccup and he paying the price for being young and dumb. But he can make the price more affordable and he can graduate. Someday he can sit in judgement as one of those “rich PhDs” if he wants to.

+1 Can’t tell you how many posts I see on here that I’m certain are some conservative’s fantasy of a liberal

+1. Thread is fake.

[Anonymous]

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