Why would an Ivy League college suspend a destitute Black boy for a year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Integrity, values, accountability.

The youth can get a job for a couple of semesters. Hopefully he will learn some good life skills on the job.

1. Do you have children? If yes, take away checking account balance, their car, home, food, and cell phone. How exactly would they get a job at age 19 or 20 that covers 100% of their bills for the next year?

2. Even if they could, which is unlikely, what is the point? To permanently mark his resume with odd jobs in Baltimore in the middle of college, to make it clear he must have been kicked out? What lesson does this a year out of college teach? It is unnecessarily harsh and pointless. Is he supposed to return a good boy who now knows not to cheat, you don't think he knows that now?

And you're all overlooking even if he survives the year, he is permanently off track. To literally throw this boy on the inner-city streets, to delay his access to mobility at least a year, is a punishment far more extreme than campus rapists receive. It is more extreme than any consequence the thieves who control the endowment get when they are caught scamming millions and billions of dollars.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All cheating is bad regardless and if you take a chance cheating, you take a chance of getting caught. No sympathy, whether it's him or my wealthy white/South Asian daughter.

Thank you for dropping your mask and revealing your racism and classism. I feel sorry for you that you can't seeing the evil involved when Ivy League PhDs bait and entrap low-income unsophisticated students with online assignments loaded with tracking software, railroad them with Ivy bureaucracy when they know they have zero resources, and quite literally make them homeless for a year. A college with tens of billions of dollars in an endowment. Literally putting this teen boy in jail for a year would be safer. At least he would have shelter and food.

The conspiracy theory doesn't fly here. They weren't out to get him or trying to make him homeless. They didn't "railroad" him; he didn't show up for the meeting. I hate all that tracking software stuff, but he cheated. He got caught. He blew off the meeting. They suspended him. None of this is "evil" or "baiting and entrapping" anyone.

As a black person I feel sad about the student's predicament. This, I believe, highlights the unique value of HBCUs. People don't feel so isolated that they are afraid to reach out. Mentors abound. On the other hand, I hope that this incident is the warning the student needs. I think this generation is ill-served by our refusal to inculcate certain values in them. If you do not come from a position of socioeconomic privilege, everything -- regardless of your ethnicity -- is going to be harder for you until you die basically. The punishment will be meted unfairly. We all find respectability politics infuriating but the advantage was that young folks understood the lay of the land in this country.

Is this satire? Cookies on a laptop is not rooting out cheating or elevating campus values, it's picking off unsophisticated low income students. Ruthless rich students cheat far more, far more aggressively, and do so to seek jobs and industries that ought to rely on trust and ethics e.g. medical school, law, politics, Wall Street, big tech. This young man should have been showered with mentors and campus resources, not be kicked to the curb to wallow in the streets for a year.

[Anonymous]

OP, you are the racist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All cheating is bad regardless and if you take a chance cheating, you take a chance of getting caught. No sympathy, whether it's him or my wealthy white/South Asian daughter.

Thank you for dropping your mask and revealing your racism and classism. I feel sorry for you that you can't seeing the evil involved when Ivy League PhDs bait and entrap low-income unsophisticated students with online assignments loaded with tracking software, railroad them with Ivy bureaucracy when they know they have zero resources, and quite literally make them homeless for a year. A college with tens of billions of dollars in an endowment. Literally putting this teen boy in jail for a year would be safer. At least he would have shelter and food.

The conspiracy theory doesn't fly here. They weren't out to get him or trying to make him homeless. They didn't "railroad" him; he didn't show up for the meeting. I hate all that tracking software stuff, but he cheated. He got caught. He blew off the meeting. They suspended him. None of this is "evil" or "baiting and entrapping" anyone.

As a black person I feel sad about the student's predicament. This, I believe, highlights the unique value of HBCUs. People don't feel so isolated that they are afraid to reach out. Mentors abound. On the other hand, I hope that this incident is the warning the student needs. I think this generation is ill-served by our refusal to inculcate certain values in them. If you do not come from a position of socioeconomic privilege, everything -- regardless of your ethnicity -- is going to be harder for you until you die basically. The punishment will be meted unfairly. We all find respectability politics infuriating but the advantage was that young folks understood the lay of the land in this country.

Is this satire? Cookies on a laptop is not rooting out cheating or elevating campus values, it's picking off unsophisticated low income students. Ruthless rich students cheat far more, far more aggressively, and do so to seek jobs and industries that ought to rely on trust and ethics e.g. medical school, law, politics, Wall Street, big tech. This young man should have been showered with mentors and campus resources, not be kicked to the curb to wallow in the streets for a year.

Well, we agree that he could use some competent mentors. The ones he's had in the past are not serving him well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All cheating is bad regardless and if you take a chance cheating, you take a chance of getting caught. No sympathy, whether it's him or my wealthy white/South Asian daughter.

Thank you for dropping your mask and revealing your racism and classism. I feel sorry for you that you can't seeing the evil involved when Ivy League PhDs bait and entrap low-income unsophisticated students with online assignments loaded with tracking software, railroad them with Ivy bureaucracy when they know they have zero resources, and quite literally make them homeless for a year. A college with tens of billions of dollars in an endowment. Literally putting this teen boy in jail for a year would be safer. At least he would have shelter and food.

The conspiracy theory doesn't fly here. They weren't out to get him or trying to make him homeless. They didn't "railroad" him; he didn't show up for the meeting. I hate all that tracking software stuff, but he cheated. He got caught. He blew off the meeting. They suspended him. None of this is "evil" or "baiting and entrapping" anyone.

As a black person I feel sad about the student's predicament. This, I believe, highlights the unique value of HBCUs. People don't feel so isolated that they are afraid to reach out. Mentors abound. On the other hand, I hope that this incident is the warning the student needs. I think this generation is ill-served by our refusal to inculcate certain values in them. If you do not come from a position of socioeconomic privilege, everything -- regardless of your ethnicity -- is going to be harder for you until you die basically. The punishment will be meted unfairly. We all find respectability politics infuriating but the advantage was that young folks understood the lay of the land in this country.

Is this satire? Cookies on a laptop is not rooting out cheating or elevating campus values, it's picking off unsophisticated low income students. Ruthless rich students cheat far more, far more aggressively, and do so to seek jobs and industries that ought to rely on trust and ethics e.g. medical school, law, politics, Wall Street, big tech. This young man should have been showered with mentors and campus resources, not be kicked to the curb to wallow in the streets for a year.

Please stop the hysterical drama and hyperbole.

How do you even know what the software was? It's likely software that identifies plagiarism from a doc he uploaded. You're really trying to set up some weird conspiracy theory plotline here. No one is buying that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All cheating is bad regardless and if you take a chance cheating, you take a chance of getting caught. No sympathy, whether it's him or my wealthy white/South Asian daughter.

Thank you for dropping your mask and revealing your racism and classism. I feel sorry for you that you can't seeing the evil involved when Ivy League PhDs bait and entrap low-income unsophisticated students with online assignments loaded with tracking software, railroad them with Ivy bureaucracy when they know they have zero resources, and quite literally make them homeless for a year. A college with tens of billions of dollars in an endowment. Literally putting this teen boy in jail for a year would be safer. At least he would have shelter and food.

The conspiracy theory doesn't fly here. They weren't out to get him or trying to make him homeless. They didn't "railroad" him; he didn't show up for the meeting. I hate all that tracking software stuff, but he cheated. He got caught. He blew off the meeting. They suspended him. None of this is "evil" or "baiting and entrapping" anyone.

As a black person I feel sad about the student's predicament. This, I believe, highlights the unique value of HBCUs. People don't feel so isolated that they are afraid to reach out. Mentors abound. On the other hand, I hope that this incident is the warning the student needs. I think this generation is ill-served by our refusal to inculcate certain values in them. If you do not come from a position of socioeconomic privilege, everything -- regardless of your ethnicity -- is going to be harder for you until you die basically. The punishment will be meted unfairly. We all find respectability politics infuriating but the advantage was that young folks understood the lay of the land in this country.

Is this satire? Cookies on a laptop is not rooting out cheating or elevating campus values, it's picking off unsophisticated low income students. Ruthless rich students cheat far more, far more aggressively, and do so to seek jobs and industries that ought to rely on trust and ethics e.g. medical school, law, politics, Wall Street, big tech. This young man should have been showered with mentors and campus resources, not be kicked to the curb to wallow in the streets for a year.

Well, we agree that he could use some competent mentors. The ones he's had in the past are not serving him well.

And at least one is a raving lunatic.

[Anonymous]

Guys, this is a troll post.

[Anonymous]

+1.

[Anonymous]

OP, Fairfax County Democrats need you - there is a vacancy coming up on the School Board

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The least believable part of all this is that a teenager used Facebook.

You make a very compelling point 😂

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A young man I mentored years ago randomly reached out to me on facebook for advice because he is homeless after his college suspended him for cheating on an online assignment. He believes he was caught with some sort of tracking software, which he wasn't aware of. He said wealthier classmates cheat, but are savvier ex. know to do it with more than one computer. He fessed up when caught but was too embarrassed to go to a meeting they had about it. He was later notified he was kicked out for two semesters (sounds like a default judgment in court?). I'm not going to rationalize cheating but I believe there are varying degrees of it and don't get how or why a filthy rich college would throw a destitute Black teenager out on the street to punish him? A year out of college, locked out of campus recruiting, delaying his graduation and professional start a year, is more severe punishment than most campus rapists. And for what? Is he supposed to learn his lesson and come back reformed? Wouldn't this young man be better served if he was given resources and mentors, instead of being sent kicked to the curb with zero resources? Or is this a roundabout way of expelling him, as in they hope he doesn't come back?

If he's on full aid, how is he homeless? This makes no sense. Maybe you can take him in since you want to rescue him. He needs to grow up, get a job and be thankful he can go back in a year. Or, go to community college. He probably regularly cheated and there is a lot more to this story. Sounds like you need to get your guest room ready.

[Anonymous]

Suspended students do not get financial aid, can not live in the dorm, and do not get the university health care anymore.

[Anonymous]

The kid should have gone to the meeting to plead his case.

[Anonymous]

I have no sympathy. He cheated. End of story.

[Anonymous]

I know someone who got cheating at Harvard back in the early 00s; their parent is actually a senior admin within the Harvard system. Very wealthy family, comes from an amazing HS that sends a ton of kids to Harvard, etc.

They were also booted out for two semester (the semester they are caught + the next semester). So it's definitely a thing that happens.

My advice: this kid needs to tough it out and re-enroll next fall to their Ivy. In the meantime, they need a plan that includes volunteering, taking a few classes at a local community college, and regular therapy/guidance counseling with a mentor.

First gen kids from poor backgrounds have it tough at a place like an Ivy. He blew off the meeting because he was ashamed. He needs to face it head-on and pick himself up. He will regret it the rest of his life if he doesn't graduate from this Ivy.

He will become a better man because of this experience.