Why would an Ivy League college suspend a destitute Black boy for a year?

[Anonymous]

Fact: student cheated and confessed
Fact: there was a disciplinary meeting which he knowingly missed
Fact: student was suspended
Fact: student is black

Your story: student was suspended because he is black and administration is out to get him because they are racist.

You need to get out of your story. It is a story of victimization and you do not KNOW KNOW your story to be true. You think it to be and now you are trapping this kid in it.

So he made a mistake. He needs to own his errors from start to finish including the why behind missing the disciplinary meeting. This is a huge deal. Schools that have strict honor codes make a big deal of these hearings. They are attended by teachers, board members and students voted into the role. It is equivalent to missing you court date in real life. You will get sentenced as guilty. This was a mistake and he needs to face his inner demons and fears so he can face things with courage next time.

Perpetuating this racism narrative helps no one. In his pursuit of reopening discussions with the administration if there is behavior that indicates racism then so be it and take it on as it comes. But you are jumping to conclusions.

I have to agree that how you are handling it now is not demonstrating maturity to this kid. It is self victimization and personalization. Two of the most harmful practices to use in life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know someone who got cheating at Harvard back in the early 00s; their parent is actually a senior admin within the Harvard system. Very wealthy family, comes from an amazing HS that sends a ton of kids to Harvard, etc.

They were also booted out for two semester (the semester they are caught + the next semester). So it's definitely a thing that happens.

My advice: this kid needs to tough it out and re-enroll next fall to their Ivy. In the meantime, they need a plan that includes volunteering, taking a few classes at a local community college, and regular therapy/guidance counseling with a mentor.

First gen kids from poor backgrounds have it tough at a place like an Ivy. He blew off the meeting because he was ashamed. He needs to face it head-on and pick himself up. He will regret it the rest of his life if he doesn't graduate from this Ivy.

He will become a better man because of this experience.

Understood. But he is not wealthy, he is destitute. There is no safety net to rest well and “volunteer” for a year and tap family connections to make the one year away from college disappear. He could literally die after they kicked him to the curb. A rich teen from the best schools knows better. These poor underrepresented teens are clueless. There ought to be nuance when dropping the hammer. They most certainly know the odds of this destitute Black boy ever finishing his degree are near zero. He can’t even use campus recruiting, so he’s just supposed to have a year missing from his life? Might as well be in jail. That’s what it’s going to look like. It’s tragic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know someone who got cheating at Harvard back in the early 00s; their parent is actually a senior admin within the Harvard system. Very wealthy family, comes from an amazing HS that sends a ton of kids to Harvard, etc.

They were also booted out for two semester (the semester they are caught + the next semester). So it's definitely a thing that happens.

My advice: this kid needs to tough it out and re-enroll next fall to their Ivy. In the meantime, they need a plan that includes volunteering, taking a few classes at a local community college, and regular therapy/guidance counseling with a mentor.

First gen kids from poor backgrounds have it tough at a place like an Ivy. He blew off the meeting because he was ashamed. He needs to face it head-on and pick himself up. He will regret it the rest of his life if he doesn't graduate from this Ivy.

He will become a better man because of this experience.

Understood. But he is not wealthy, he is destitute. There is no safety net to rest well and “volunteer” for a year and tap family connections to make the one year away from college disappear. He could literally die after they kicked him to the curb. A rich teen from the best schools knows better. These poor underrepresented teens are clueless. There ought to be nuance when dropping the hammer. They most certainly know the odds of this destitute Black boy ever finishing his degree are near zero. He can’t even use campus recruiting, so he’s just supposed to have a year missing from his life? Might as well be in jail. That’s what it’s going to look like. It’s tragic.

There are lots of jobs available for those in need of one. Let him work in one for a year and get his head together. You aren't helping by venting your histrionics here. And the individual involved is a young adult, not a "Black boy," so stop trying to make him sound like Emmett Till.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know someone who got cheating at Harvard back in the early 00s; their parent is actually a senior admin within the Harvard system. Very wealthy family, comes from an amazing HS that sends a ton of kids to Harvard, etc.

They were also booted out for two semester (the semester they are caught + the next semester). So it's definitely a thing that happens.

My advice: this kid needs to tough it out and re-enroll next fall to their Ivy. In the meantime, they need a plan that includes volunteering, taking a few classes at a local community college, and regular therapy/guidance counseling with a mentor.

First gen kids from poor backgrounds have it tough at a place like an Ivy. He blew off the meeting because he was ashamed. He needs to face it head-on and pick himself up. He will regret it the rest of his life if he doesn't graduate from this Ivy.

He will become a better man because of this experience.

Understood. But he is not wealthy, he is destitute. There is no safety net to rest well and “volunteer” for a year and tap family connections to make the one year away from college disappear. He could literally die after they kicked him to the curb. A rich teen from the best schools knows better. These poor underrepresented teens are clueless. There ought to be nuance when dropping the hammer. They most certainly know the odds of this destitute Black boy ever finishing his degree are near zero. He can’t even use campus recruiting, so he’s just supposed to have a year missing from his life? Might as well be in jail. That’s what it’s going to look like. It’s tragic.

He can’t use campus recruiting???????

I got jobs without campus recruiting. Why would that even be necessary? Get service job of which there are many and move into a student group house to make ends meet.

In NYC back in the day, I met college kids who slept in slots in the wall and that was just normal life to get by with expensive rent.

He can look into social services in Cambridge or wherever.

If you are an upoerclassmen at some schools you are kicked out for good if you cheat.

[Anonymous]

The question in the thread title is annoying.

The answer?

Because he cheated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know someone who got cheating at Harvard back in the early 00s; their parent is actually a senior admin within the Harvard system. Very wealthy family, comes from an amazing HS that sends a ton of kids to Harvard, etc.

They were also booted out for two semester (the semester they are caught + the next semester). So it's definitely a thing that happens.

My advice: this kid needs to tough it out and re-enroll next fall to their Ivy. In the meantime, they need a plan that includes volunteering, taking a few classes at a local community college, and regular therapy/guidance counseling with a mentor.

First gen kids from poor backgrounds have it tough at a place like an Ivy. He blew off the meeting because he was ashamed. He needs to face it head-on and pick himself up. He will regret it the rest of his life if he doesn't graduate from this Ivy.

He will become a better man because of this experience.

Understood. But he is not wealthy, he is destitute. There is no safety net to rest well and “volunteer” for a year and tap family connections to make the one year away from college disappear. He could literally die after they kicked him to the curb. A rich teen from the best schools knows better. These poor underrepresented teens are clueless. There ought to be nuance when dropping the hammer. They most certainly know the odds of this destitute Black boy ever finishing his degree are near zero. He can’t even use campus recruiting, so he’s just supposed to have a year missing from his life? Might as well be in jail. That’s what it’s going to look like. It’s tragic.

Guess he should’ve thought about all that before pulling the flush lever.

[Anonymous]

Can he just transfer out to still graduate on time?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Integrity, values, accountability.

The youth can get a job for a couple of semesters. Hopefully he will learn some good life skills on the job.

1. Do you have children? If yes, take away checking account balance, their car, home, food, and cell phone. How exactly would they get a job at age 19 or 20 that covers 100% of their bills for the next year?

2. Even if they could, which is unlikely, what is the point? To permanently mark his resume with odd jobs in Baltimore in the middle of college, to make it clear he must have been kicked out? What lesson does this a year out of college teach? It is unnecessarily harsh and pointless. Is he supposed to return a good boy who now knows not to cheat, you don't think he knows that now?

And you're all overlooking even if he survives the year, he is permanently off track. To literally throw this boy on the inner-city streets, to delay his access to mobility at least a year, is a punishment far more extreme than campus rapists receive. It is more extreme than any consequence the thieves who control the endowment get when they are caught scamming millions and billions of dollars.

Which Ivy is in Baltimore? Hopkins?

You are giving ton of personal info here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know someone who got cheating at Harvard back in the early 00s; their parent is actually a senior admin within the Harvard system. Very wealthy family, comes from an amazing HS that sends a ton of kids to Harvard, etc.

They were also booted out for two semester (the semester they are caught + the next semester). So it's definitely a thing that happens.

My advice: this kid needs to tough it out and re-enroll next fall to their Ivy. In the meantime, they need a plan that includes volunteering, taking a few classes at a local community college, and regular therapy/guidance counseling with a mentor.

First gen kids from poor backgrounds have it tough at a place like an Ivy. He blew off the meeting because he was ashamed. He needs to face it head-on and pick himself up. He will regret it the rest of his life if he doesn't graduate from this Ivy.

He will become a better man because of this experience.

Understood. But he is not wealthy, he is destitute. There is no safety net to rest well and “volunteer” for a year and tap family connections to make the one year away from college disappear. He could literally die after they kicked him to the curb. A rich teen from the best schools knows better. These poor underrepresented teens are clueless. There ought to be nuance when dropping the hammer. They most certainly know the odds of this destitute Black boy ever finishing his degree are near zero. He can’t even use campus recruiting, so he’s just supposed to have a year missing from his life? Might as well be in jail. That’s what it’s going to look like. It’s tragic.

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Where was him before he started his college life? Does he have a family, a grandparent, or a distance relative? When you say he is destitute, I hope he is not homeless, family less or completely isolated.