Atheism’s sexual misconduct problem

[Anonymous]

I’m glad church attendance is declining. The young are your institutions for what they are. Places where sex education is forbidden or is simply misinformation, but where a priest can be shielded by his flock if he gropes a 15 year old. There endless stories of that sort of thing on the internet. Sure tho, go ahead and worry about the agnostics and atheists. I bet they live rent free in your head. Hey, what’s the average age you see in church on Sunday? I mean beyond the little kids who are forced to go. How many teens, 20 and 30 something’s do you see making church attendance a priority? Maybe a lot less. Maybe read a pew study or two to check the relevance of religion to young people or don’t, know one cares. I mean really no one cares and that’s what scares you all. That and the molesting priests.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m atheist. I’m fine with PP pointing out sexual misconduct by atheists. It’s vastly outstripped by religious sexual misconduct, but any sexual misconduct is reprehensible and should have a harsh light shone on it. I’m not like the religious folks who try to hide their sexual abusers. Show the atheists who are sexual abusers. Let everyone know who they are. Don’t be like the religious people who defend sexual abuse by their leaders.

Only outstripped because there are vastly fewer atheists than believers. It would be interesting to see percentages of each group who are sexual abusers.

Also, if you read the links, two atheist organizations did try to hide a sexual abuser. Also, Sam Harris defended the leading atheist physicist who sexually abused women.

I do agree that the lesson here is that people suck. It’s just straight-up hypocrisy to claim some people suck more than others.

So your concern isn’t really sexual abuse, it’s that people talk about the avalanche of abuse by religious leaders. Your position is horrifying, but I suppose it is completely inline with how religions elevate sexual abusers, so I guess it doesn’t surprise me.

+1000

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m atheist. I’m fine with PP pointing out sexual misconduct by atheists. It’s vastly outstripped by religious sexual misconduct, but any sexual misconduct is reprehensible and should have a harsh light shone on it. I’m not like the religious folks who try to hide their sexual abusers. Show the atheists who are sexual abusers. Let everyone know who they are. Don’t be like the religious people who defend sexual abuse by their leaders.

Only outstripped because there are vastly fewer atheists than believers. It would be interesting to see percentages of each group who are sexual abusers.

Also, if you read the links, two atheist organizations did try to hide a sexual abuser. Also, Sam Harris defended the leading atheist physicist who sexually abused women.

I do agree that the lesson here is that people suck. It’s just straight-up hypocrisy to claim some people suck more than others.

So your concern isn’t really sexual abuse, it’s that people talk about the avalanche of abuse by religious leaders. Your position is horrifying, but I suppose it is completely inline with how religions elevate sexual abusers, so I guess it doesn’t surprise me.

+1000

I love God

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m atheist. I’m fine with PP pointing out sexual misconduct by atheists. It’s vastly outstripped by religious sexual misconduct, but any sexual misconduct is reprehensible and should have a harsh light shone on it. I’m not like the religious folks who try to hide their sexual abusers. Show the atheists who are sexual abusers. Let everyone know who they are. Don’t be like the religious people who defend sexual abuse by their leaders.

Only outstripped because there are vastly fewer atheists than believers. It would be interesting to see percentages of each group who are sexual abusers.

Also, if you read the links, two atheist organizations did try to hide a sexual abuser. Also, Sam Harris defended the leading atheist physicist who sexually abused women.

I do agree that the lesson here is that people suck. It’s just straight-up hypocrisy to claim some people suck more than others.

So your concern isn’t really sexual abuse, it’s that people talk about the avalanche of abuse by religious leaders. Your position is horrifying, but I suppose it is completely inline with how religions elevate sexual abusers, so I guess it doesn’t surprise me.

Wow, what a terrible deflection right there. Of course I’m concerned about both religious and atheist abuse—I never said otherwise. You, however, seem determined to sweep the high percentage of atheist abuse under the rug.

No, I am fine publicizing and spreading the news about atheist abusers. I’m not like you. I don’t defend sexual abuse by religious OR atheist leaders.

Please stop with the BS and lies. Not a single religious person on this thread has defended religious abusers.

You atheists, however, keep trying to deflect from atheist abuse with funky stats and deflections about religion.

So the atheists are deflecting, but starting a spinoff thread about atheist abuse because the LDS thread was unfair is... what, exactly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m an atheist, but I had to walk away from the toxic side of online atheism


“I was far from the only one targeted. A lot of online discourse can turn vitriolic, but writing on atheism seems particularly so. A study on Reddit found that its atheist forum, probably the largest collection of atheists on the Internet, was the third most toxic and bigoted on the entire site.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/11/07/im-an-atheist-but-i-had-to-walk-away-from-the-toxic-side-of-online-atheism/

This guy has a great podcast, btw. He’s a respectful and decent guy.

After the TERFs - who were banned?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Organized religion (including Atheism) is evil. Full stop.

Atheism isn't an "organized religion". It's not organized at all.

There are some small groups who have formed to do their own thing, but there is zero organization overall.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m atheist. I’m fine with PP pointing out sexual misconduct by atheists. It’s vastly outstripped by religious sexual misconduct, but any sexual misconduct is reprehensible and should have a harsh light shone on it. I’m not like the religious folks who try to hide their sexual abusers. Show the atheists who are sexual abusers. Let everyone know who they are. Don’t be like the religious people who defend sexual abuse by their leaders.

Only outstripped because there are vastly fewer atheists than believers. It would be interesting to see percentages of each group who are sexual abusers.

Also, if you read the links, two atheist organizations did try to hide a sexual abuser. Also, Sam Harris defended the leading atheist physicist who sexually abused women.

I do agree that the lesson here is that people suck. It’s just straight-up hypocrisy to claim some people suck more than others.

So your concern isn’t really sexual abuse, it’s that people talk about the avalanche of abuse by religious leaders. Your position is horrifying, but I suppose it is completely inline with how religions elevate sexual abusers, so I guess it doesn’t surprise me.

Wow, what a terrible deflection right there. Of course I’m concerned about both religious and atheist abuse—I never said otherwise. You, however, seem determined to sweep the high percentage of atheist abuse under the rug.

No, I am fine publicizing and spreading the news about atheist abusers. I’m not like you. I don’t defend sexual abuse by religious OR atheist leaders.

Please stop with the BS and lies. Not a single religious person on this thread has defended religious abusers.

You atheists, however, keep trying to deflect from atheist abuse with funky stats and deflections about religion.

Did you miss all of the posts addressing the OP?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was sexually abused in a church as a child and it was absolutely made worse by the fact I was terrified that God blamed me. I don’t understand the religious poster who is defending abuse by religious leaders but on the other hand, I know people like her well — they are the ones who defended my abuser and told me to pray for absolution. They are truly evil people.

I’m terribly sorry you were abused. That’s indefendible.

That said, please show us where a single religious poster defended sexual abuse in a religious institutions. Nobody ever defended it. It’s more the atheists who are trying to sweep atheists’ sexual abuse under the rug because “religion.”

Liar. No one tried to sweep abuse by atheists under the rug.

Can you make a point without LYING?

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Anonymous wrote:Not reading all the comments but it’s worse when an acceptance of the abuse and a refusal to report abuse is tied to God—to your membership in the only community you have ever known, to going to heaven (and for Mormons that means being with your family after you die), and sometimes keeping your job (if you work for the church or BYU).

I was never in a situation involving but I did some messed up things to myself and others because I was brainwashed into thinking I had to. Like I believed that my depression was my fault and instead of getting out of bad situations I felt like a terrible person, things like that. It’s the same concept with abuse, your gut might tell you to report but you have handed over your idea of right and wrong to the institution, so you just do what the institution tells you to do.

I’m sorry for your situation. Some religions do tell you to fix your own mental issues, and that’s wrong.

To me it’s morally worse, though, when a small boy is lured into a pedophile situation by an atheist group like NAMBLA or Dawkins thinking “mild” pedophelia is acceptable (apparently Dawkins’ teachers groped him in boarding school and he thinks that was ok). To me, this is on the same level as pedo priests—worse, even, because NAMBLA is an organization with the sole purpose of promoting pedophelia.

I don’t mean worse as a moral matter, I mean worse in terms of potential for abuse.

[Anonymous]

I don't think OP is very bright.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m atheist. I’m fine with PP pointing out sexual misconduct by atheists. It’s vastly outstripped by religious sexual misconduct, but any sexual misconduct is reprehensible and should have a harsh light shone on it. I’m not like the religious folks who try to hide their sexual abusers. Show the atheists who are sexual abusers. Let everyone know who they are. Don’t be like the religious people who defend sexual abuse by their leaders.

Only outstripped because there are vastly fewer atheists than believers. It would be interesting to see percentages of each group who are sexual abusers.

Also, if you read the links, two atheist organizations did try to hide a sexual abuser. Also, Sam Harris defended the leading atheist physicist who sexually abused women.

I do agree that the lesson here is that people suck. It’s just straight-up hypocrisy to claim some people suck more than others.

So your concern isn’t really sexual abuse, it’s that people talk about the avalanche of abuse by religious leaders. Your position is horrifying, but I suppose it is completely inline with how religions elevate sexual abusers, so I guess it doesn’t surprise me.

Wow, what a terrible deflection right there. Of course I’m concerned about both religious and atheist abuse—I never said otherwise. You, however, seem determined to sweep the high percentage of atheist abuse under the rug.

No, I am fine publicizing and spreading the news about atheist abusers. I’m not like you. I don’t defend sexual abuse by religious OR atheist leaders.

Please stop with the BS and lies. Not a single religious person on this thread has defended religious abusers.

You atheists, however, keep trying to deflect from atheist abuse with funky stats and deflections about religion.

So the atheists are deflecting, but starting a spinoff thread about atheist abuse because the LDS thread was unfair is... what, exactly?

OP here. Stop lying, I never said the LDS thread was “unfair.” I’ve condemned religious abuse several times on this thread. Also, I’m not LDS or Catholic.

Some (not all) of you atheists clearly have a double standard, and this thread highlights it. Post something about atheist abuse and you get accused of cherry picking, being stupid (why can’t we get rid of these trolls?), you have to wade through multiple whataboutisms regarding religion, some pretty innumerate comparisons about shares of abusers in different groups, and more.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m atheist. I’m fine with PP pointing out sexual misconduct by atheists. It’s vastly outstripped by religious sexual misconduct, but any sexual misconduct is reprehensible and should have a harsh light shone on it. I’m not like the religious folks who try to hide their sexual abusers. Show the atheists who are sexual abusers. Let everyone know who they are. Don’t be like the religious people who defend sexual abuse by their leaders.

Only outstripped because there are vastly fewer atheists than believers. It would be interesting to see percentages of each group who are sexual abusers.

Also, if you read the links, two atheist organizations did try to hide a sexual abuser. Also, Sam Harris defended the leading atheist physicist who sexually abused women.

I do agree that the lesson here is that people suck. It’s just straight-up hypocrisy to claim some people suck more than others.

So your concern isn’t really sexual abuse, it’s that people talk about the avalanche of abuse by religious leaders. Your position is horrifying, but I suppose it is completely inline with how religions elevate sexual abusers, so I guess it doesn’t surprise me.

Wow, what a terrible deflection right there. Of course I’m concerned about both religious and atheist abuse—I never said otherwise. You, however, seem determined to sweep the high percentage of atheist abuse under the rug.

No, I am fine publicizing and spreading the news about atheist abusers. I’m not like you. I don’t defend sexual abuse by religious OR atheist leaders.

Please stop with the BS and lies. Not a single religious person on this thread has defended religious abusers.

You atheists, however, keep trying to deflect from atheist abuse with funky stats and deflections about religion.

So the atheists are deflecting, but starting a spinoff thread about atheist abuse because the LDS thread was unfair is... what, exactly?

OP here. Stop lying, I never said the LDS thread was “unfair.” I’ve condemned religious abuse several times on this thread. Also, I’m not LDS or Catholic.

Some (not all) of you atheists clearly have a double standard, and this thread highlights it. Post something about atheist abuse and you get accused of cherry picking, being stupid (why can’t we get rid of these trolls?), you have to wade through multiple whataboutisms regarding religion, some pretty innumerate comparisons about shares of abusers in different groups, and more.

OP, seriously, no doubt but you have double standard too. So, what's new? Go find something more useful to better your life.

[Anonymous]

Why are all prominent atheists white, heterosexual males?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are all prominent atheists white, heterosexual males?

I am not white.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Organized religion (including Atheism) is evil. Full stop.

Atheism isn't an "organized religion". It's not organized at all.

There are some small groups who have formed to do their own thing, but there is zero organization overall.

Atheism is a religion, like off is a tv channel.