Atheism’s sexual misconduct problem

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. It’s sad you think that pointing out atheist abuse is just “trolling.”

It’s sad that some of you still don’t understand (or don’t want to understand) the concept of per capita numbers. Or that you continue to argue that a guy (Dawkins) who sold 3.3 million books containing paras promoting pederasty “has no influence.” Or that you tolerate the kindergarten trolls on your side. Or that the atheists who contributed to a legal defense fund for an accused atheist rapist because…mumble mumble…we have no organization… or something.

This thread exemplifies the larger problem of denial and deflection among atheists when their own are accused of sexual misconduct.

I started this thread because the anti-Catholic bigotry is so pervasive that the forum is basically useless. Not trolling. And I’m not even Catholic. I just want to be able to use this forum.

My only point here is that people suck across the board. This isn’t an exclusively Catholic thing. Or a school thing or an atheist thing. Some of you already get it. Others among you atheists are defensive and in denial—you’re probably the ones who will continue trying to turn this forum into a cesspool of exclusively anti-Catholic bigotry.

There is no systemic atheist abuse because we don’t have any organization. Do some individual atheists do terrible stuff. Sure! But it’s not the same as the problem of physical and mental abuse in Scientology, the coverup of sexual abuse in Catholicism, or even the animal abuse of the Amish. Because we don’t have a culture, structure or sacred texts that conscript or validate bad behavior. Atheism isn’t a religion!

A pp posted about atheist abuse at an atheist convention. Prominent atheists sided with the abuser and even raised money for his legal defense. Atheists with big loudspeakers like Dawkins, Harris and Hitchens, spout sexism and even support for pedophilia to millions of listeners. Two atheist organizations knowingly employed a rapist.

What does that sound like to you?

You guys keep splitting hairs over whether this is technically an “organization.” That’s disengenuous at best. It’s still hierarchy of white men spewing sexism and covering up for each other. Would you prefer “good old boys club”?

Disingenuous?

OP has already admitted to trolling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. It’s sad you think that pointing out atheist abuse is just “trolling.”

It’s sad that some of you still don’t understand (or don’t want to understand) the concept of per capita numbers. Or that you continue to argue that a guy (Dawkins) who sold 3.3 million books containing paras promoting pederasty “has no influence.” Or that you tolerate the kindergarten trolls on your side. Or that the atheists who contributed to a legal defense fund for an accused atheist rapist because…mumble mumble…we have no organization… or something.

This thread exemplifies the larger problem of denial and deflection among atheists when their own are accused of sexual misconduct.

I started this thread because the anti-Catholic bigotry is so pervasive that the forum is basically useless. Not trolling. And I’m not even Catholic. I just want to be able to use this forum.

My only point here is that people suck across the board. This isn’t an exclusively Catholic thing. Or a school thing or an atheist thing. Some of you already get it. Others among you atheists are defensive and in denial—you’re probably the ones who will continue trying to turn this forum into a cesspool of exclusively anti-Catholic bigotry.

There is no systemic atheist abuse because we don’t have any organization. Do some individual atheists do terrible stuff. Sure! But it’s not the same as the problem of physical and mental abuse in Scientology, the coverup of sexual abuse in Catholicism, or even the animal abuse of the Amish. Because we don’t have a culture, structure or sacred texts that conscript or validate bad behavior. Atheism isn’t a religion!

A pp posted about atheist abuse at an atheist convention. Prominent atheists sided with the abuser and even raised money for his legal defense. Atheists with big loudspeakers like Dawkins, Harris and Hitchens, spout sexism and even support for pedophilia to millions of listeners. Two atheist organizations knowingly employed a rapist.

What does that sound like to you?

You guys keep splitting hairs over whether this is technically an “organization.” That’s disengenuous at best. It’s still hierarchy of white men spewing sexism and covering up for each other. Would you prefer “good old boys club”?

Disingenuous?

OP has already admitted to trolling.

Well that’s a lie. OP’s stated purpose is to shed light on atheist sexual abuse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. It’s sad you think that pointing out atheist abuse is just “trolling.”

It’s sad that some of you still don’t understand (or don’t want to understand) the concept of per capita numbers. Or that you continue to argue that a guy (Dawkins) who sold 3.3 million books containing paras promoting pederasty “has no influence.” Or that you tolerate the kindergarten trolls on your side. Or that the atheists who contributed to a legal defense fund for an accused atheist rapist because…mumble mumble…we have no organization… or something.

This thread exemplifies the larger problem of denial and deflection among atheists when their own are accused of sexual misconduct.

I started this thread because the anti-Catholic bigotry is so pervasive that the forum is basically useless. Not trolling. And I’m not even Catholic. I just want to be able to use this forum.

My only point here is that people suck across the board. This isn’t an exclusively Catholic thing. Or a school thing or an atheist thing. Some of you already get it. Others among you atheists are defensive and in denial—you’re probably the ones who will continue trying to turn this forum into a cesspool of exclusively anti-Catholic bigotry.

I’m impressed with the dedication to this ruse. You’re eloquent. Almost too eloquent to be believed as someone who isn’t being satirical. I mean if you believe the things you’re writing that’s actually enough to make my day. I mean your assertions are comically illogical, but hey, whether they’re true or not, the audience is entertained.

Anyway, can we start a thread about how everything organized religion touches it turns to sht? You guys see that Missouri reinstated corporal punishment in high school? I read that and then looked at the other states that allow it. It’s all backwoods, Uber religious places like Mississippi and the south. Super religious states. Also, you know what the number one selling child rearing booking is for Christians? “To train up a child”. This book, by and evangelical author, advocates biblically sanctioned child abuse as a form of discipline.

So no only are your churches filled with molesters, it’s also filled with child abusers. Get your fking heads on straight. No wonder people are abandoning your pews. It’s abusive.

Organized religion does a lot of good, too. Feeding the poor, consoling the sick and the elderly, sheltering immigrants, and more. You’re just proving yet again how bigots like you have blinkers on.

But you just keep attacking the messengers about atheist abuse. There’s more than one of us—I didn’t post the long article on rape at that atheist convention and the atheists who contributed to the atheist rapist’s legal fund. about atheist abuse.

It says a lot about you that you keep spewing hate while you deny sexual abuse among atheists.

I’d say the good it does may be a wash or at best a delicate balance. You go in to places like Africa, give food, but also preach guilt, superstition and no condoms and diseases like AIDS are spread more easily. You have evangelicalism that has infected Africa to the point where who knows how many poor gay people have been killed because of your message being taken too literally. Also, mother Theresa was no saint. She was actually quite cruel and a proponent of suffering. Look it up bro.

Also look at the history of slavery and religion being used to justify the slave masters basically keeping people in mental chains because it was “written in the Bible”. Not to mention all the effects in the Phillipines. The whole thing is a massive guilt ridden scheme that dissuades healthy teachings of sexuality. So yes, for the soup kitchens, there are also many downsides. Then there are the priests molesting because they are repressed. I would still rather associate people who operate on a less rigid belief in God and who operate on the Golden Rule vs organized religion.

Oh good. A random bigot who spends her days spewing hate on a mom’s website has weighed in on the issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. It’s sad you think that pointing out atheist abuse is just “trolling.”

It’s sad that some of you still don’t understand (or don’t want to understand) the concept of per capita numbers. Or that you continue to argue that a guy (Dawkins) who sold 3.3 million books containing paras promoting pederasty “has no influence.” Or that you tolerate the kindergarten trolls on your side. Or that the atheists who contributed to a legal defense fund for an accused atheist rapist because…mumble mumble…we have no organization… or something.

This thread exemplifies the larger problem of denial and deflection among atheists when their own are accused of sexual misconduct.

I started this thread because the anti-Catholic bigotry is so pervasive that the forum is basically useless. Not trolling. And I’m not even Catholic. I just want to be able to use this forum.

My only point here is that people suck across the board. This isn’t an exclusively Catholic thing. Or a school thing or an atheist thing. Some of you already get it. Others among you atheists are defensive and in denial—you’re probably the ones who will continue trying to turn this forum into a cesspool of exclusively anti-Catholic bigotry.

There is no systemic atheist abuse because we don’t have any organization. Do some individual atheists do terrible stuff. Sure! But it’s not the same as the problem of physical and mental abuse in Scientology, the coverup of sexual abuse in Catholicism, or even the animal abuse of the Amish. Because we don’t have a culture, structure or sacred texts that conscript or validate bad behavior. Atheism isn’t a religion!

A pp posted about atheist abuse at an atheist convention. Prominent atheists sided with the abuser and even raised money for his legal defense. Atheists with big loudspeakers like Dawkins, Harris and Hitchens, spout sexism and even support for pedophilia to millions of listeners. Two atheist organizations knowingly employed a rapist.

What does that sound like to you?

You guys keep splitting hairs over whether this is technically an “organization.” That’s disengenuous at best. It’s still hierarchy of white men spewing sexism and covering up for each other. Would you prefer “good old boys club”?

Disingenuous?

OP has already admitted to trolling.

Well that’s a lie. OP’s stated purpose is to shed light on atheist sexual abuse.

That isn't a thing.

Here is what OP said:
"I started this thread because the anti-Catholic bigotry is so pervasive that the forum is basically useless. Not trolling. And I’m not even Catholic. I just want to be able to use this forum."

Trolling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. It’s sad you think that pointing out atheist abuse is just “trolling.”

It’s sad that some of you still don’t understand (or don’t want to understand) the concept of per capita numbers. Or that you continue to argue that a guy (Dawkins) who sold 3.3 million books containing paras promoting pederasty “has no influence.” Or that you tolerate the kindergarten trolls on your side. Or that the atheists who contributed to a legal defense fund for an accused atheist rapist because…mumble mumble…we have no organization… or something.

This thread exemplifies the larger problem of denial and deflection among atheists when their own are accused of sexual misconduct.

I started this thread because the anti-Catholic bigotry is so pervasive that the forum is basically useless. Not trolling. And I’m not even Catholic. I just want to be able to use this forum.

My only point here is that people suck across the board. This isn’t an exclusively Catholic thing. Or a school thing or an atheist thing. Some of you already get it. Others among you atheists are defensive and in denial—you’re probably the ones who will continue trying to turn this forum into a cesspool of exclusively anti-Catholic bigotry.

I’m impressed with the dedication to this ruse. You’re eloquent. Almost too eloquent to be believed as someone who isn’t being satirical. I mean if you believe the things you’re writing that’s actually enough to make my day. I mean your assertions are comically illogical, but hey, whether they’re true or not, the audience is entertained.

Anyway, can we start a thread about how everything organized religion touches it turns to sht? You guys see that Missouri reinstated corporal punishment in high school? I read that and then looked at the other states that allow it. It’s all backwoods, Uber religious places like Mississippi and the south. Super religious states. Also, you know what the number one selling child rearing booking is for Christians? “To train up a child”. This book, by and evangelical author, advocates biblically sanctioned child abuse as a form of discipline.

So no only are your churches filled with molesters, it’s also filled with child abusers. Get your fking heads on straight. No wonder people are abandoning your pews. It’s abusive.

Organized religion does a lot of good, too. Feeding the poor, consoling the sick and the elderly, sheltering immigrants, and more. You’re just proving yet again how bigots like you have blinkers on.

But you just keep attacking the messengers about atheist abuse. There’s more than one of us—I didn’t post the long article on rape at that atheist convention and the atheists who contributed to the atheist rapist’s legal fund. about atheist abuse.

It says a lot about you that you keep spewing hate while you deny sexual abuse among atheists.

I’d say the good it does may be a wash or at best a delicate balance. You go in to places like Africa, give food, but also preach guilt, superstition and no condoms and diseases like AIDS are spread more easily. You have evangelicalism that has infected Africa to the point where who knows how many poor gay people have been killed because of your message being taken too literally. Also, mother Theresa was no saint. She was actually quite cruel and a proponent of suffering. Look it up bro.

Also look at the history of slavery and religion being used to justify the slave masters basically keeping people in mental chains because it was “written in the Bible”. Not to mention all the effects in the Phillipines. The whole thing is a massive guilt ridden scheme that dissuades healthy teachings of sexuality. So yes, for the soup kitchens, there are also many downsides. Then there are the priests molesting because they are repressed. I would still rather associate people who operate on a less rigid belief in God and who operate on the Golden Rule vs organized religion.

Oh good. A random bigot who spends her days spewing hate on a mom’s website has weighed in on the issue.

Hello, spewing poster.

[Anonymous]

Richard Dawkins: Pedophilia’s OK
HE ACTUALLY SAID THAT

https://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2013/09/10/richard-dawkins-pedophilia-s-okay

A little pedophilia is fine, says Richard Dawkins. In an interview with the Times magazine, the English ethologist and famed atheist says past stories of touching children shouldn’t be condemned. Dawkins bases his hideous assertion on his own experience of his headmaster putting “his hands inside my shorts.” The event, Dawkins says, didn't cause “lasting harm,” so it should be dismissed. “I look back a few decades to my childhood and see things like caning, like mild pedophilia, and can’t find it in me to condemn it,” he said. The Internet is, understandably, in an uproar about the comments—which child welfare specialists have deemed outrageous.

https://www.salon.com/2013/09/10/richard_dawkins_defends_mild_pedophilia_says_it_does_not_cause_lasting_harm/

In a recent interview with the Times magazine, Richard Dawkins attempted to defend what he called "mild pedophilia," which, he says, he personally experienced as a young child and does not believe causes "lasting harm."

Dawkins went on to say that one of his former school masters "pulled me on his knee and put his hand inside my shorts," and that to condemn this "mild touching up" as sexual abuse today would somehow be unfair.

Plus, he added, though his other classmates also experienced abuse at the hands of this teacher, "I don't think he did any of us lasting harm."

Child welfare experts responded to Dawkins' remarks with outrage -- and concern over their effect on survivors of abuse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Richard Dawkins: Pedophilia’s OK
HE ACTUALLY SAID THAT

https://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2013/09/10/richard-dawkins-pedophilia-s-okay

A little pedophilia is fine, says Richard Dawkins. In an interview with the Times magazine, the English ethologist and famed atheist says past stories of touching children shouldn’t be condemned. Dawkins bases his hideous assertion on his own experience of his headmaster putting “his hands inside my shorts.” The event, Dawkins says, didn't cause “lasting harm,” so it should be dismissed. “I look back a few decades to my childhood and see things like caning, like mild pedophilia, and can’t find it in me to condemn it,” he said. The Internet is, understandably, in an uproar about the comments—which child welfare specialists have deemed outrageous.

https://www.salon.com/2013/09/10/richard_dawkins_defends_mild_pedophilia_says_it_does_not_cause_lasting_harm/

In a recent interview with the Times magazine, Richard Dawkins attempted to defend what he called "mild pedophilia," which, he says, he personally experienced as a young child and does not believe causes "lasting harm."

Dawkins went on to say that one of his former school masters "pulled me on his knee and put his hand inside my shorts," and that to condemn this "mild touching up" as sexual abuse today would somehow be unfair.

Plus, he added, though his other classmates also experienced abuse at the hands of this teacher, "I don't think he did any of us lasting harm."

Child welfare experts responded to Dawkins' remarks with outrage -- and concern over their effect on survivors of abuse.

OP is REALLY obsessed with pedophilia. And kindergartners. Gross.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Richard Dawkins: Pedophilia’s OK
HE ACTUALLY SAID THAT

https://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2013/09/10/richard-dawkins-pedophilia-s-okay

A little pedophilia is fine, says Richard Dawkins. In an interview with the Times magazine, the English ethologist and famed atheist says past stories of touching children shouldn’t be condemned. Dawkins bases his hideous assertion on his own experience of his headmaster putting “his hands inside my shorts.” The event, Dawkins says, didn't cause “lasting harm,” so it should be dismissed. “I look back a few decades to my childhood and see things like caning, like mild pedophilia, and can’t find it in me to condemn it,” he said. The Internet is, understandably, in an uproar about the comments—which child welfare specialists have deemed outrageous.

https://www.salon.com/2013/09/10/richard_dawkins_defends_mild_pedophilia_says_it_does_not_cause_lasting_harm/

In a recent interview with the Times magazine, Richard Dawkins attempted to defend what he called "mild pedophilia," which, he says, he personally experienced as a young child and does not believe causes "lasting harm."

Dawkins went on to say that one of his former school masters "pulled me on his knee and put his hand inside my shorts," and that to condemn this "mild touching up" as sexual abuse today would somehow be unfair.

Plus, he added, though his other classmates also experienced abuse at the hands of this teacher, "I don't think he did any of us lasting harm."

Child welfare experts responded to Dawkins' remarks with outrage -- and concern over their effect on survivors of abuse.

OP is REALLY obsessed with pedophilia. And kindergartners. Gross.

I’m OP and that wasn’t my post. But you keep doing you.

[Anonymous]

OP, people aren't made because catholics are pedophiles...

The are mad because the catholic church covered it up again and again and again.

Do you need that difference explained to you again and again and again?

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, people aren't made because catholics are pedophiles...

The are mad because the catholic church covered it up again and again and again.

Do you need that difference explained to you again and again and again?

Do you need it explained to you again and again that two atheist orgs knowlingly employed a sexual abuser? That Dawkins and Harris defended rapists? That atheists funded a legal defense fund for another rapist accused of rape? For a small share of the population, those are sone pretty impressive stats. Can you say white men covering for other white men?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, people aren't made because catholics are pedophiles...

The are mad because the catholic church covered it up again and again and again.

Do you need that difference explained to you again and again and again?

Do you need it explained to you again and again that two atheist orgs knowlingly employed a sexual abuser? That Dawkins and Harris defended rapists? That atheists funded a legal defense fund for another rapist accused of rape? For a small share of the population, those are sone pretty impressive stats. Can you say white men covering for other white men?

Trolls beget trolls. Is that your goal?

If you truly want a more civil forum, start at home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, people aren't made because catholics are pedophiles...

The are mad because the catholic church covered it up again and again and again.

Do you need that difference explained to you again and again and again?

Do you need it explained to you again and again that two atheist orgs knowlingly employed a sexual abuser? That Dawkins and Harris defended rapists? That atheists funded a legal defense fund for another rapist accused of rape? For a small share of the population, those are sone pretty impressive stats. Can you say white men covering for other white men?

Of course organized atheism begets pedophilia. Organized atheism is just another religion. Every religion begets pedophilia.