Atheism’s sexual misconduct problem

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m atheist. I’m fine with PP pointing out sexual misconduct by atheists. It’s vastly outstripped by religious sexual misconduct, but any sexual misconduct is reprehensible and should have a harsh light shone on it. I’m not like the religious folks who try to hide their sexual abusers. Show the atheists who are sexual abusers. Let everyone know who they are. Don’t be like the religious people who defend sexual abuse by their leaders.

Only outstripped because there are vastly fewer atheists than believers. It would be interesting to see percentages of each group who are sexual abusers.

Also, if you read the links, two atheist organizations did try to hide a sexual abuser. Also, Sam Harris defended the leading atheist physicist who sexually abused women.

I do agree that the lesson here is that people suck. It’s just straight-up hypocrisy to claim some people suck more than others.

So your concern isn’t really sexual abuse, it’s that people talk about the avalanche of abuse by religious leaders. Your position is horrifying, but I suppose it is completely inline with how religions elevate sexual abusers, so I guess it doesn’t surprise me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is the ultimate in what about ism. As an atheist, I give these organizations none of my money. I offer no support or involvement to any group the supports or shelters sex abusers. However, that doesn’t make me any less an atheist. When a Catholic, Southern Baptist, Mormon, etc. similarly ceases offering support organizations that shelter sex abusers, then we can talk about this.

You can’t hide behind the fact that you’re not part of an atheist organization. Geez.

I’m not that PP but you seem to have impaired logical thinking abilities. Unfortunate.

Ad hominems when you have no good answer. Cute.

You don’t understand the term “ad hominem” either. Cute.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not reading all the comments but it’s worse when an acceptance of the abuse and a refusal to report abuse is tied to God—to your membership in the only community you have ever known, to going to heaven (and for Mormons that means being with your family after you die), and sometimes keeping your job (if you work for the church or BYU).

I was never in a situation involving but I did some messed up things to myself and others because I was brainwashed into thinking I had to. Like I believed that my depression was my fault and instead of getting out of bad situations I felt like a terrible person, things like that. It’s the same concept with abuse, your gut might tell you to report but you have handed over your idea of right and wrong to the institution, so you just do what the institution tells you to do.

I’m sorry for your situation. Some religions do tell you to fix your own mental issues, and that’s wrong.

To me it’s morally worse, though, when a small boy is lured into a pedophile situation by an atheist group like NAMBLA or Dawkins thinking “mild” pedophelia is acceptable (apparently Dawkins’ teachers groped him in boarding school and he thinks that was ok). To me, this is on the same level as pedo priests—worse, even, because NAMBLA is an organization with the sole purpose of promoting pedophelia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m atheist. I’m fine with PP pointing out sexual misconduct by atheists. It’s vastly outstripped by religious sexual misconduct, but any sexual misconduct is reprehensible and should have a harsh light shone on it. I’m not like the religious folks who try to hide their sexual abusers. Show the atheists who are sexual abusers. Let everyone know who they are. Don’t be like the religious people who defend sexual abuse by their leaders.

Only outstripped because there are vastly fewer atheists than believers. It would be interesting to see percentages of each group who are sexual abusers.

Also, if you read the links, two atheist organizations did try to hide a sexual abuser. Also, Sam Harris defended the leading atheist physicist who sexually abused women.

I do agree that the lesson here is that people suck. It’s just straight-up hypocrisy to claim some people suck more than others.

So your concern isn’t really sexual abuse, it’s that people talk about the avalanche of abuse by religious leaders. Your position is horrifying, but I suppose it is completely inline with how religions elevate sexual abusers, so I guess it doesn’t surprise me.

Wow, what a terrible deflection right there. Of course I’m concerned about both religious and atheist abuse—I never said otherwise. You, however, seem determined to sweep the high percentage of atheist abuse under the rug.

[Anonymous]

I was sexually abused in a church as a child and it was absolutely made worse by the fact I was terrified that God blamed me. I don’t understand the religious poster who is defending abuse by religious leaders but on the other hand, I know people like her well — they are the ones who defended my abuser and told me to pray for absolution. They are truly evil people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m atheist. I’m fine with PP pointing out sexual misconduct by atheists. It’s vastly outstripped by religious sexual misconduct, but any sexual misconduct is reprehensible and should have a harsh light shone on it. I’m not like the religious folks who try to hide their sexual abusers. Show the atheists who are sexual abusers. Let everyone know who they are. Don’t be like the religious people who defend sexual abuse by their leaders.

Only outstripped because there are vastly fewer atheists than believers. It would be interesting to see percentages of each group who are sexual abusers.

Also, if you read the links, two atheist organizations did try to hide a sexual abuser. Also, Sam Harris defended the leading atheist physicist who sexually abused women.

I do agree that the lesson here is that people suck. It’s just straight-up hypocrisy to claim some people suck more than others.

So your concern isn’t really sexual abuse, it’s that people talk about the avalanche of abuse by religious leaders. Your position is horrifying, but I suppose it is completely inline with how religions elevate sexual abusers, so I guess it doesn’t surprise me.

Wow, what a terrible deflection right there. Of course I’m concerned about both religious and atheist abuse—I never said otherwise. You, however, seem determined to sweep the high percentage of atheist abuse under the rug.

No, I am fine publicizing and spreading the news about atheist abusers. I’m not like you. I don’t defend sexual abuse by religious OR atheist leaders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was sexually abused in a church as a child and it was absolutely made worse by the fact I was terrified that God blamed me. I don’t understand the religious poster who is defending abuse by religious leaders but on the other hand, I know people like her well — they are the ones who defended my abuser and told me to pray for absolution. They are truly evil people.

I’m terribly sorry you were abused. That’s indefendible.

That said, please show us where a single religious poster defended sexual abuse in a religious institutions. Nobody ever defended it. It’s more the atheists who are trying to sweep atheists’ sexual abuse under the rug because “religion.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What a stupid thread. Some people with brown hair have been bad people therefore everyone with brown hair is responsible for those bad acts?

If you can’t distinguish between bad acts of people abd bad acts of institutions what is the point of the thread?

The thread points out the hypocrisy of the daily Catholic and Christianity bashing that goes on here.

DP. I don't see a single atheist poster saying that any abuse or misconduct should be covered up. Do you?

In contrast, this thread seems to be underscoring the lack of hypocrisy amongst atheists.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m atheist. I’m fine with PP pointing out sexual misconduct by atheists. It’s vastly outstripped by religious sexual misconduct, but any sexual misconduct is reprehensible and should have a harsh light shone on it. I’m not like the religious folks who try to hide their sexual abusers. Show the atheists who are sexual abusers. Let everyone know who they are. Don’t be like the religious people who defend sexual abuse by their leaders.

Only outstripped because there are vastly fewer atheists than believers. It would be interesting to see percentages of each group who are sexual abusers.

Also, if you read the links, two atheist organizations did try to hide a sexual abuser. Also, Sam Harris defended the leading atheist physicist who sexually abused women.

I do agree that the lesson here is that people suck. It’s just straight-up hypocrisy to claim some people suck more than others.

So your concern isn’t really sexual abuse, it’s that people talk about the avalanche of abuse by religious leaders. Your position is horrifying, but I suppose it is completely inline with how religions elevate sexual abusers, so I guess it doesn’t surprise me.

Wow, what a terrible deflection right there. Of course I’m concerned about both religious and atheist abuse—I never said otherwise. You, however, seem determined to sweep the high percentage of atheist abuse under the rug.

No, I am fine publicizing and spreading the news about atheist abusers. I’m not like you. I don’t defend sexual abuse by religious OR atheist leaders.

Please stop with the BS and lies. Not a single religious person on this thread has defended religious abusers.

You atheists, however, keep trying to deflect from atheist abuse with funky stats and deflections about religion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I’m atheist. I’m fine with PP pointing out sexual misconduct by atheists. It’s vastly outstripped by religious sexual misconduct, but any sexual misconduct is reprehensible and should have a harsh light shone on it. I’m not like the religious folks who try to hide their sexual abusers. Show the atheists who are sexual abusers. Let everyone know who they are. Don’t be like the religious people who defend sexual abuse by their leaders.

Only outstripped because there are vastly fewer atheists than believers. It would be interesting to see percentages of each group who are sexual abusers.

Also, if you read the links, two atheist organizations did try to hide a sexual abuser. Also, Sam Harris defended the leading atheist physicist who sexually abused women.

I do agree that the lesson here is that people suck. It’s just straight-up hypocrisy to claim some people suck more than others.

So your concern isn’t really sexual abuse, it’s that people talk about the avalanche of abuse by religious leaders. Your position is horrifying, but I suppose it is completely inline with how religions elevate sexual abusers, so I guess it doesn’t surprise me.

Wow, what a terrible deflection right there. Of course I’m concerned about both religious and atheist abuse—I never said otherwise. You, however, seem determined to sweep the high percentage of atheist abuse under the rug.

No, I am fine publicizing and spreading the news about atheist abusers. I’m not like you. I don’t defend sexual abuse by religious OR atheist leaders.

Please stop with the BS and lies. Not a single religious person on this thread has defended religious abusers.

You atheists, however, keep trying to deflect from atheist abuse with funky stats and deflections about religion.

Atheists are saying they want the stories of abuse by atheist leaders widely published. The only person raising funky stats is a religious poster who is, I think, trying to hide and minimize religious abuse.

People who are trying to hide typically don’t want stories widely published.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a stupid thread. Some people with brown hair have been bad people therefore everyone with brown hair is responsible for those bad acts?

If you can’t distinguish between bad acts of people abd bad acts of institutions what is the point of the thread?

The thread points out the hypocrisy of the daily Catholic and Christianity bashing that goes on here.

DP. I don't see a single atheist poster saying that any abuse or misconduct should be covered up. Do you?

In contrast, this thread seems to be underscoring the lack of hypocrisy amongst atheists.

10:15 calls the whole thread “cherry picking,” for starters. Then there’s all the whatabout deflections that try to turn the discussion away from atheism and back onto religion. And the weird attempt to argue the percentages of abusers must somehow be lower among atheists.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was sexually abused in a church as a child and it was absolutely made worse by the fact I was terrified that God blamed me. I don’t understand the religious poster who is defending abuse by religious leaders but on the other hand, I know people like her well — they are the ones who defended my abuser and told me to pray for absolution. They are truly evil people.

I’m terribly sorry you were abused. That’s indefendible.

That said, please show us where a single religious poster defended sexual abuse in a religious institutions. Nobody ever defended it. It’s more the atheists who are trying to sweep atheists’ sexual abuse under the rug because “religion.”

The PP above said that NAMBLA was morally worse than the religious abusers. That’s defending religious abuse and it minimized what happened to me and literally millions of other innocent kids. I read that post and I got nauseous because it took me back to the religious who obfuscated and disassembled what happened to me. I mean I recognize the type, I know what people like that are, but it makes me sick to see it here.

There is no “morally better” way to sexually abuse people, religious PP. Absolutely none. The fact you think that, that you can even write words like that, makes me physically ill.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was sexually abused in a church as a child and it was absolutely made worse by the fact I was terrified that God blamed me. I don’t understand the religious poster who is defending abuse by religious leaders but on the other hand, I know people like her well — they are the ones who defended my abuser and told me to pray for absolution. They are truly evil people.

I’m terribly sorry you were abused. That’s indefendible.

That said, please show us where a single religious poster defended sexual abuse in a religious institutions. Nobody ever defended it. It’s more the atheists who are trying to sweep atheists’ sexual abuse under the rug because “religion.”

The PP above said that NAMBLA was morally worse than the religious abusers. That’s defending religious abuse and it minimized what happened to me and literally millions of other innocent kids. I read that post and I got nauseous because it took me back to the religious who obfuscated and disassembled what happened to me. I mean I recognize the type, I know what people like that are, but it makes me sick to see it here.

There is no “morally better” way to sexually abuse people, religious PP. Absolutely none. The fact you think that, that you can even write words like that, makes me physically ill.

PP said NAMBLA and Dawkins were “morally worse” than religious abusers. Sick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rather than be buried on the LDS thread, this topic deserves it’s own thread.

We can kick it off with this: David Thorstad, a prominent atheist, founded the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) to advocate for pedophilia and pederasty.

Is this the hill you want to die on, OP? You’re choosing projection? Okay, sure. Let’s go.

So you’re claiming atheists are more sexually immoral than let me guess, Christian people, or devout followers of the mainstream dogmatic religions?

You don’t see the hypocrisy in the 20 something different reports that have come out in recent year, after massive investigations, detailing the millions of molested children. You’re silent on the sad respression of sexuality common in organized religion that actually fosters sexual deviancy because of repressed desiree. You mean to tell me that good old Ted Haggard and Jerry Falwell Jr. aren’t really the issue, but it’s atheists with the issues? It’s funny because studies show agnostics and atheists, both are better versed in the Bible than most Christians, but also usually operate on the Golden rule of do unto others, which seems to be lacking when you look at all the dead babies in Ireland from those homes the Catholics put those wanton, sex crazy single mothers they put in special asylums. Remember that? Do you see the shame that religion causes and the guilt and sexual confusion because you don’t teach proper sex education and you say that gay people are bad? It’s all so fked up, but yes, thanks for that nambla link. Really insightful.

[Anonymous]

As soon as Catholics atone for the centuries of molestation, stop hiding pedophile priests and all the like this is a stupid thread.