Manchin is a "thorn" in the Dem's side b/c he has no "discernible core ideology"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think he's perfectly understandable. He hates liberal welfare policies funded by ruinous tax and spend policies. Only sane person in the whole democratic senate that wont keep voting on policies that will worsen historic inflation. The fact they keeo trying to twist his arm and bully him into submission like the American Rescue Plan is the definition of insanity.

Democrats should consider themselves lucky they are in the majority because of him and they can bring their bills to a vote and have been confirming D judges including Jackson. Ds would have gotten squat with McConnel in charge but I bet Biden would be way more popular than he is now.

Bizarre that Manchin would harbor such hate for welfare policies given that after New Mexico, his own state's residents, his own constituents have the second highest per capita rate of dependency on food stamps and other welfare programs. And Manchin has done absolutely nothing to actually help his state's constituents get out of that situation and in fact does everything he can to hold them back.

And, this yet again speaks to the total cognitive dissonance of rural white people in red West Virginia thinking we need to "end welfare" because they still fully embrace the stereotypes and think welfare and food stamps is all about mooching black baby mammas on crack with kids by 6 different absentee felon dads in Detroit or NYC living large on the taxpayer nickel with free apartments, free Obama phones, big screen TVs, eating steak and shrimp every night, as opposed to the reality of it being far more of themselves in West Virginia as the biggest consumers of welfare programs. Distract the poor white people by giving them the idea of poor black people to look down on.

Your solution to ‘West Virginia has so much welfare’ is to pile on MORE welfare? At the expense of the taxpayer? During a 50-year high for inflation?

Your solution is to do nothing and let West Virginians descend into even deeper poverty. I'll take mine over yours.

What is your solution? Start printing more money than we already have for initiatives that have been shown to be either ineffective or wasteful? And you think that will help inflation which is the biggest tax on poor people? I swear it should be required for every elected Democrat to take basic economics and finance courses. As a party they are completely clueless about how it all works. Tax and spend has never been an effective long term strategy but here you are trying it again.

Yet everyone keeps writing blank checks for the military and the police.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coming from Bernie, the fool who helped spoil one election, this is rich.

It is infuriating that two rogue “Democrats” are able to stop everything. Most of Biden’s policies are pretty middle of the road and they’re what millions of Democrats and others voted for.

Its also infuriating that the Repubes are allowed to be regressive jerks who want to ruin America and no one cares.

Hes just salty because he knows he may not be alive when the democrats control the WH and congress again

He's gonna be irrelevant soon. Dems will have a majority in the Senate with the next election.

Dems are projected to lose the House. Go google how to pass a bill.

Those indicators are fizzling fast. Google polling on the tossup and "leans/likely R" districts. Quite a few of them show Dems creeping ahead of their Republican competitors when historically that shouldn't be happening in a mid-term where a Dem is in the White House. Chances of a "red wave" are pretty much gone. The Republicans *could* still take the house but at this point even that is not longer guaranteed. And, don't underestimate how hard Dems will be hitting campaign contributions and hitting polls and GOTV campaigns as a result of the Dobbs ruling. Some of the Dems have been amassing war chests that completely dwarf their R competition.

I remember the Dem war chests of 2020. Historic numbers. They all lost.

Sara Gideon against Susan Collins (ME), Theresa Greenfield against Joni Ernst (IO), Steve Bullock against Steve Daines (MT), Al Gross vs Dan Sullivan (AL), Lindsey Graham against Jaime Harrison (SC), John Corryn and MJ Hegar (TX), Thom Tillis vs Cal Cunningham (NC) and Amy McGrath vs Mitch McConnell (KY).

Several of those Republicans were able to outstrip even the most optimistic polling. Weird, isn’t it, how Republicans magically win by ridiculous amounts, no matter what the polls and the exit polls say.

You mean the polls that don’t contact people who don’t have landlines? Those polls? Face it - they’re outdated. But hey at least now you know you’re definitely losing. If the polls say McAuliffe is winning, Youngkin definitely took the lead!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think he's perfectly understandable. He hates liberal welfare policies funded by ruinous tax and spend policies. Only sane person in the whole democratic senate that wont keep voting on policies that will worsen historic inflation. The fact they keeo trying to twist his arm and bully him into submission like the American Rescue Plan is the definition of insanity.

Democrats should consider themselves lucky they are in the majority because of him and they can bring their bills to a vote and have been confirming D judges including Jackson. Ds would have gotten squat with McConnel in charge but I bet Biden would be way more popular than he is now.

Bizarre that Manchin would harbor such hate for welfare policies given that after New Mexico, his own state's residents, his own constituents have the second highest per capita rate of dependency on food stamps and other welfare programs. And Manchin has done absolutely nothing to actually help his state's constituents get out of that situation and in fact does everything he can to hold them back.

And, this yet again speaks to the total cognitive dissonance of rural white people in red West Virginia thinking we need to "end welfare" because they still fully embrace the stereotypes and think welfare and food stamps is all about mooching black baby mammas on crack with kids by 6 different absentee felon dads in Detroit or NYC living large on the taxpayer nickel with free apartments, free Obama phones, big screen TVs, eating steak and shrimp every night, as opposed to the reality of it being far more of themselves in West Virginia as the biggest consumers of welfare programs. Distract the poor white people by giving them the idea of poor black people to look down on.

Your solution to ‘West Virginia has so much welfare’ is to pile on MORE welfare? At the expense of the taxpayer? During a 50-year high for inflation?

Your solution is to do nothing and let West Virginians descend into even deeper poverty. I'll take mine over yours.

What is your solution? Start printing more money than we already have for initiatives that have been shown to be either ineffective or wasteful? And you think that will help inflation which is the biggest tax on poor people? I swear it should be required for every elected Democrat to take basic economics and finance courses. As a party they are completely clueless about how it all works. Tax and spend has never been an effective long term strategy but here you are trying it again.

You weren’t complaining about low interest rates were you? Tax cuts for billionaires - you object to that? How about massive subsidies for corporations in 2020? Bothered by those? But now you’re so upset about inflation ….

[Anonymous]

Hope the Democrats keep making this life miserable so he turns independent and caucus with the Republicans. These dumbs dumbs asking for his head dont know how things work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coming from Bernie, the fool who helped spoil one election, this is rich.

It is infuriating that two rogue “Democrats” are able to stop everything. Most of Biden’s policies are pretty middle of the road and they’re what millions of Democrats and others voted for.

Its also infuriating that the Repubes are allowed to be regressive jerks who want to ruin America and no one cares.

Hes just salty because he knows he may not be alive when the democrats control the WH and congress again

He's gonna be irrelevant soon. Dems will have a majority in the Senate with the next election.

Dems are projected to lose the House. Go google how to pass a bill.

Those indicators are fizzling fast. Google polling on the tossup and "leans/likely R" districts. Quite a few of them show Dems creeping ahead of their Republican competitors when historically that shouldn't be happening in a mid-term where a Dem is in the White House. Chances of a "red wave" are pretty much gone. The Republicans *could* still take the house but at this point even that is not longer guaranteed. And, don't underestimate how hard Dems will be hitting campaign contributions and hitting polls and GOTV campaigns as a result of the Dobbs ruling. Some of the Dems have been amassing war chests that completely dwarf their R competition.

I remember the Dem war chests of 2020. Historic numbers. They all lost.

Sara Gideon against Susan Collins (ME), Theresa Greenfield against Joni Ernst (IO), Steve Bullock against Steve Daines (MT), Al Gross vs Dan Sullivan (AL), Lindsey Graham against Jaime Harrison (SC), John Corryn and MJ Hegar (TX), Thom Tillis vs Cal Cunningham (NC) and Amy McGrath vs Mitch McConnell (KY).

Several of those Republicans were able to outstrip even the most optimistic polling. Weird, isn’t it, how Republicans magically win by ridiculous amounts, no matter what the polls and the exit polls say.

You mean the polls that don’t contact people who don’t have landlines? Those polls? Face it - they’re outdated. But hey at least now you know you’re definitely losing. If the polls say McAuliffe is winning, Youngkin definitely took the lead!

All polls now use a mix of landline, cell phone, and internet questionnaires. The landline issue is so 2008.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coming from Bernie, the fool who helped spoil one election, this is rich.

It is infuriating that two rogue “Democrats” are able to stop everything. Most of Biden’s policies are pretty middle of the road and they’re what millions of Democrats and others voted for.

Its also infuriating that the Repubes are allowed to be regressive jerks who want to ruin America and no one cares.

Hes just salty because he knows he may not be alive when the democrats control the WH and congress again

He's gonna be irrelevant soon. Dems will have a majority in the Senate with the next election.

Dems are projected to lose the House. Go google how to pass a bill.

Those indicators are fizzling fast. Google polling on the tossup and "leans/likely R" districts. Quite a few of them show Dems creeping ahead of their Republican competitors when historically that shouldn't be happening in a mid-term where a Dem is in the White House. Chances of a "red wave" are pretty much gone. The Republicans *could* still take the house but at this point even that is not longer guaranteed. And, don't underestimate how hard Dems will be hitting campaign contributions and hitting polls and GOTV campaigns as a result of the Dobbs ruling. Some of the Dems have been amassing war chests that completely dwarf their R competition.

I remember the Dem war chests of 2020. Historic numbers. They all lost.

Sara Gideon against Susan Collins (ME), Theresa Greenfield against Joni Ernst (IO), Steve Bullock against Steve Daines (MT), Al Gross vs Dan Sullivan (AL), Lindsey Graham against Jaime Harrison (SC), John Corryn and MJ Hegar (TX), Thom Tillis vs Cal Cunningham (NC) and Amy McGrath vs Mitch McConnell (KY).

Several of those Republicans were able to outstrip even the most optimistic polling. Weird, isn’t it, how Republicans magically win by ridiculous amounts, no matter what the polls and the exit polls say.

Yes these are the same republicans who say the election is fake. Wonder how that works?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coming from Bernie, the fool who helped spoil one election, this is rich.

It is infuriating that two rogue “Democrats” are able to stop everything. Most of Biden’s policies are pretty middle of the road and they’re what millions of Democrats and others voted for.

Its also infuriating that the Repubes are allowed to be regressive jerks who want to ruin America and no one cares.

Hes just salty because he knows he may not be alive when the democrats control the WH and congress again

He's gonna be irrelevant soon. Dems will have a majority in the Senate with the next election.

Dems are projected to lose the House. Go google how to pass a bill.

Those indicators are fizzling fast. Google polling on the tossup and "leans/likely R" districts. Quite a few of them show Dems creeping ahead of their Republican competitors when historically that shouldn't be happening in a mid-term where a Dem is in the White House. Chances of a "red wave" are pretty much gone. The Republicans *could* still take the house but at this point even that is not longer guaranteed. And, don't underestimate how hard Dems will be hitting campaign contributions and hitting polls and GOTV campaigns as a result of the Dobbs ruling. Some of the Dems have been amassing war chests that completely dwarf their R competition.

I remember the Dem war chests of 2020. Historic numbers. They all lost.

Sara Gideon against Susan Collins (ME), Theresa Greenfield against Joni Ernst (IO), Steve Bullock against Steve Daines (MT), Al Gross vs Dan Sullivan (AL), Lindsey Graham against Jaime Harrison (SC), John Corryn and MJ Hegar (TX), Thom Tillis vs Cal Cunningham (NC) and Amy McGrath vs Mitch McConnell (KY).

Several of those Republicans were able to outstrip even the most optimistic polling. Weird, isn’t it, how Republicans magically win by ridiculous amounts, no matter what the polls and the exit polls say.

You mean the polls that don’t contact people who don’t have landlines? Those polls? Face it - they’re outdated. But hey at least now you know you’re definitely losing. If the polls say McAuliffe is winning, Youngkin definitely took the lead!

All polls now use a mix of landline, cell phone, and internet questionnaires. The landline issue is so 2008.

And they all rely on people dumb enough to answer unknown callers. I wonder what the overlap between people who respond to polls and people who indeed have an issue with their car warranties and who need to talk to the credit card service department

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think he's perfectly understandable. He hates liberal welfare policies funded by ruinous tax and spend policies. Only sane person in the whole democratic senate that wont keep voting on policies that will worsen historic inflation. The fact they keeo trying to twist his arm and bully him into submission like the American Rescue Plan is the definition of insanity.

Democrats should consider themselves lucky they are in the majority because of him and they can bring their bills to a vote and have been confirming D judges including Jackson. Ds would have gotten squat with McConnel in charge but I bet Biden would be way more popular than he is now.

Bizarre that Manchin would harbor such hate for welfare policies given that after New Mexico, his own state's residents, his own constituents have the second highest per capita rate of dependency on food stamps and other welfare programs. And Manchin has done absolutely nothing to actually help his state's constituents get out of that situation and in fact does everything he can to hold them back.

And, this yet again speaks to the total cognitive dissonance of rural white people in red West Virginia thinking we need to "end welfare" because they still fully embrace the stereotypes and think welfare and food stamps is all about mooching black baby mammas on crack with kids by 6 different absentee felon dads in Detroit or NYC living large on the taxpayer nickel with free apartments, free Obama phones, big screen TVs, eating steak and shrimp every night, as opposed to the reality of it being far more of themselves in West Virginia as the biggest consumers of welfare programs. Distract the poor white people by giving them the idea of poor black people to look down on.

Your solution to ‘West Virginia has so much welfare’ is to pile on MORE welfare? At the expense of the taxpayer? During a 50-year high for inflation?

Your solution is to do nothing and let West Virginians descend into even deeper poverty. I'll take mine over yours.

What is your solution? Start printing more money than we already have for initiatives that have been shown to be either ineffective or wasteful? And you think that will help inflation which is the biggest tax on poor people? I swear it should be required for every elected Democrat to take basic economics and finance courses. As a party they are completely clueless about how it all works. Tax and spend has never been an effective long term strategy but here you are trying it again.

You weren’t complaining about low interest rates were you? Tax cuts for billionaires - you object to that? How about massive subsidies for corporations in 2020? Bothered by those? But now you’re so upset about inflation ….

I'm against the subsidies and to a lesser extent the tax cuts. But what was wrong about low interest rates? Can't wait to hear this one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is that Dems should be grateful to have a Dem in one of the two WVA seats. It is an extremely conservative state and the fact that Manchin is there instead of a R is somewhat of a miracle. Dems should focus on building a pipeline of stronger candidates in races that they can realistically win instead of complaining about Manchin.

The reality is that the Dems should be grateful that one sensible Dem is putting the brakes on some of their ludicrous bills and spending.
Manchin is not the bad guy here. Our country would be in far worse shape if the Dems got what they want.

This is my take as well. His discernible core ideology seems to be… common sense! Shocker!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think he's perfectly understandable. He hates liberal welfare policies funded by ruinous tax and spend policies. Only sane person in the whole democratic senate that wont keep voting on policies that will worsen historic inflation. The fact they keeo trying to twist his arm and bully him into submission like the American Rescue Plan is the definition of insanity.

Democrats should consider themselves lucky they are in the majority because of him and they can bring their bills to a vote and have been confirming D judges including Jackson. Ds would have gotten squat with McConnel in charge but I bet Biden would be way more popular than he is now.

Bizarre that Manchin would harbor such hate for welfare policies given that after New Mexico, his own state's residents, his own constituents have the second highest per capita rate of dependency on food stamps and other welfare programs. And Manchin has done absolutely nothing to actually help his state's constituents get out of that situation and in fact does everything he can to hold them back.

And, this yet again speaks to the total cognitive dissonance of rural white people in red West Virginia thinking we need to "end welfare" because they still fully embrace the stereotypes and think welfare and food stamps is all about mooching black baby mammas on crack with kids by 6 different absentee felon dads in Detroit or NYC living large on the taxpayer nickel with free apartments, free Obama phones, big screen TVs, eating steak and shrimp every night, as opposed to the reality of it being far more of themselves in West Virginia as the biggest consumers of welfare programs. Distract the poor white people by giving them the idea of poor black people to look down on.

Your solution to ‘West Virginia has so much welfare’ is to pile on MORE welfare? At the expense of the taxpayer? During a 50-year high for inflation?

Your solution is to do nothing and let West Virginians descend into even deeper poverty. I'll take mine over yours.

What is your solution? Start printing more money than we already have for initiatives that have been shown to be either ineffective or wasteful? And you think that will help inflation which is the biggest tax on poor people? I swear it should be required for every elected Democrat to take basic economics and finance courses. As a party they are completely clueless about how it all works. Tax and spend has never been an effective long term strategy but here you are trying it again.

You weren’t complaining about low interest rates were you? Tax cuts for billionaires - you object to that? How about massive subsidies for corporations in 2020? Bothered by those? But now you’re so upset about inflation ….

I'm against the subsidies and to a lesser extent the tax cuts. But what was wrong about low interest rates? Can't wait to hear this one.

It’s contributed to the inflation you’re so worried about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think he's perfectly understandable. He hates liberal welfare policies funded by ruinous tax and spend policies. Only sane person in the whole democratic senate that wont keep voting on policies that will worsen historic inflation. The fact they keeo trying to twist his arm and bully him into submission like the American Rescue Plan is the definition of insanity.

Democrats should consider themselves lucky they are in the majority because of him and they can bring their bills to a vote and have been confirming D judges including Jackson. Ds would have gotten squat with McConnel in charge but I bet Biden would be way more popular than he is now.

Bizarre that Manchin would harbor such hate for welfare policies given that after New Mexico, his own state's residents, his own constituents have the second highest per capita rate of dependency on food stamps and other welfare programs. And Manchin has done absolutely nothing to actually help his state's constituents get out of that situation and in fact does everything he can to hold them back.

And, this yet again speaks to the total cognitive dissonance of rural white people in red West Virginia thinking we need to "end welfare" because they still fully embrace the stereotypes and think welfare and food stamps is all about mooching black baby mammas on crack with kids by 6 different absentee felon dads in Detroit or NYC living large on the taxpayer nickel with free apartments, free Obama phones, big screen TVs, eating steak and shrimp every night, as opposed to the reality of it being far more of themselves in West Virginia as the biggest consumers of welfare programs. Distract the poor white people by giving them the idea of poor black people to look down on.

Your solution to ‘West Virginia has so much welfare’ is to pile on MORE welfare? At the expense of the taxpayer? During a 50-year high for inflation?

Your solution is to do nothing and let West Virginians descend into even deeper poverty. I'll take mine over yours.

What is your solution? Start printing more money than we already have for initiatives that have been shown to be either ineffective or wasteful? And you think that will help inflation which is the biggest tax on poor people? I swear it should be required for every elected Democrat to take basic economics and finance courses. As a party they are completely clueless about how it all works. Tax and spend has never been an effective long term strategy but here you are trying it again.

You weren’t complaining about low interest rates were you? Tax cuts for billionaires - you object to that? How about massive subsidies for corporations in 2020? Bothered by those? But now you’re so upset about inflation ….

I'm against the subsidies and to a lesser extent the tax cuts. But what was wrong about low interest rates? Can't wait to hear this one.

It’s contributed to the inflation you’re so worried about.

We had low interest rates under Obama and Trump. Didn’t seem to be a problem until the Democrats started setting cash on fire in the form of stimulus checks and child tax credits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think he's perfectly understandable. He hates liberal welfare policies funded by ruinous tax and spend policies. Only sane person in the whole democratic senate that wont keep voting on policies that will worsen historic inflation. The fact they keeo trying to twist his arm and bully him into submission like the American Rescue Plan is the definition of insanity.

Democrats should consider themselves lucky they are in the majority because of him and they can bring their bills to a vote and have been confirming D judges including Jackson. Ds would have gotten squat with McConnel in charge but I bet Biden would be way more popular than he is now.

Bizarre that Manchin would harbor such hate for welfare policies given that after New Mexico, his own state's residents, his own constituents have the second highest per capita rate of dependency on food stamps and other welfare programs. And Manchin has done absolutely nothing to actually help his state's constituents get out of that situation and in fact does everything he can to hold them back.

And, this yet again speaks to the total cognitive dissonance of rural white people in red West Virginia thinking we need to "end welfare" because they still fully embrace the stereotypes and think welfare and food stamps is all about mooching black baby mammas on crack with kids by 6 different absentee felon dads in Detroit or NYC living large on the taxpayer nickel with free apartments, free Obama phones, big screen TVs, eating steak and shrimp every night, as opposed to the reality of it being far more of themselves in West Virginia as the biggest consumers of welfare programs. Distract the poor white people by giving them the idea of poor black people to look down on.

Your solution to ‘West Virginia has so much welfare’ is to pile on MORE welfare? At the expense of the taxpayer? During a 50-year high for inflation?

Your solution is to do nothing and let West Virginians descend into even deeper poverty. I'll take mine over yours.

What is your solution? Start printing more money than we already have for initiatives that have been shown to be either ineffective or wasteful? And you think that will help inflation which is the biggest tax on poor people? I swear it should be required for every elected Democrat to take basic economics and finance courses. As a party they are completely clueless about how it all works. Tax and spend has never been an effective long term strategy but here you are trying it again.

You weren’t complaining about low interest rates were you? Tax cuts for billionaires - you object to that? How about massive subsidies for corporations in 2020? Bothered by those? But now you’re so upset about inflation ….

I'm against the subsidies and to a lesser extent the tax cuts. But what was wrong about low interest rates? Can't wait to hear this one.

It’s contributed to the inflation you’re so worried about.

We had low interest rates under Obama and Trump. Didn’t seem to be a problem until the Democrats started setting cash on fire in the form of stimulus checks and child tax credits.

You mean the checks that Trump signed?

Amazing how like $5000 of stimulus to the lower middle classes is still causing 10% inflation over a year later. Life must be really cheap outside of the DMV for people to have lived large on that money.

Or maybe it has something to do with the ridiculous corporate and billionaire tax cuts, stock buybacks, shut down of immigration, war in Europe, and supply chain shocks due to COVID in China.

Nah… global inflation is definitely the Dems fault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe that one person is holding our country hostage yet again. I'm no Bernie Sanders fan, but I thought this was a good take by him and the authors.

"For Democrats, it isn’t the ideologues who keep things from working smoothly. It’s the so-called moderates — people such as Manchin and Sen. Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona."

I've said before that our problem is that we can no longer talk about climate change policy because Republicans don't even believe it exists. We don't need to engage with people in denial. Here is the main takeaway from the article, which is on point:

"But the problem is not that Manchin is just more moderate than his fellow Democrats. It’s that he doesn’t have any discernible core ideology.

If Manchin did have clear and consistent beliefs, Democrats could work with him. They’d know where he stands, and there might be an achievable compromise, even if it meant Manchin getting 90 percent of what he wants and the other Democrats getting only 10 percent of what they want.

But he isn’t. The real contrast on display here is this: For all his reputation as a far-out lefty, Sanders is simultaneously an ideologue and a pragmatist. For instance, while he has long advocated the creation of single-payer health care, he has voted for most incremental improvements to our current mess of a system. He argues for big change, but accepts that small changes are better than nothing. That’s someone other Democrats can negotiate with, even if they’re less progressive than him."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/18/sanders-eruption-manchin-democratic-party/

Thoughts? Frustration that Manchin can't see he's not upholding what Americans want? Fury at people just trying to stop Dems for the only reason that they are Dems?

Do his constituents want it? If so, then that’s a problem. If not, he’s doing his job. He doesn’t represent the whole country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think he's perfectly understandable. He hates liberal welfare policies funded by ruinous tax and spend policies. Only sane person in the whole democratic senate that wont keep voting on policies that will worsen historic inflation. The fact they keeo trying to twist his arm and bully him into submission like the American Rescue Plan is the definition of insanity.

Democrats should consider themselves lucky they are in the majority because of him and they can bring their bills to a vote and have been confirming D judges including Jackson. Ds would have gotten squat with McConnel in charge but I bet Biden would be way more popular than he is now.

Bizarre that Manchin would harbor such hate for welfare policies given that after New Mexico, his own state's residents, his own constituents have the second highest per capita rate of dependency on food stamps and other welfare programs. And Manchin has done absolutely nothing to actually help his state's constituents get out of that situation and in fact does everything he can to hold them back.

And, this yet again speaks to the total cognitive dissonance of rural white people in red West Virginia thinking we need to "end welfare" because they still fully embrace the stereotypes and think welfare and food stamps is all about mooching black baby mammas on crack with kids by 6 different absentee felon dads in Detroit or NYC living large on the taxpayer nickel with free apartments, free Obama phones, big screen TVs, eating steak and shrimp every night, as opposed to the reality of it being far more of themselves in West Virginia as the biggest consumers of welfare programs. Distract the poor white people by giving them the idea of poor black people to look down on.

Your solution to ‘West Virginia has so much welfare’ is to pile on MORE welfare? At the expense of the taxpayer? During a 50-year high for inflation?

Your solution is to do nothing and let West Virginians descend into even deeper poverty. I'll take mine over yours.

What is your solution? Start printing more money than we already have for initiatives that have been shown to be either ineffective or wasteful? And you think that will help inflation which is the biggest tax on poor people? I swear it should be required for every elected Democrat to take basic economics and finance courses. As a party they are completely clueless about how it all works. Tax and spend has never been an effective long term strategy but here you are trying it again.

You weren’t complaining about low interest rates were you? Tax cuts for billionaires - you object to that? How about massive subsidies for corporations in 2020? Bothered by those? But now you’re so upset about inflation ….

I'm against the subsidies and to a lesser extent the tax cuts. But what was wrong about low interest rates? Can't wait to hear this one.

It’s contributed to the inflation you’re so worried about.

Oh wow! Another that failed economics. Low interest rates in and of themselves don’t contribute to inflation. They weren’t artificially low they were based on supply of and demand for credit. Inflation was tame until the stimulus coupled with paying people more than they earned in unemployment while at the same time telling them they didn’t have to pay their bills (rent for example). That coupled with bad energy policy has led to present predicament.

[Anonymous]

Joe Manchin is an American hero. He is the thin line between the progressives and the destruction of America. One day when America returns to its senses, the man will be thanked.