Manchin is a "thorn" in the Dem's side b/c he has no "discernible core ideology"

[Anonymous]

I cannot believe that one person is holding our country hostage yet again. I'm no Bernie Sanders fan, but I thought this was a good take by him and the authors.

"For Democrats, it isn’t the ideologues who keep things from working smoothly. It’s the so-called moderates — people such as Manchin and Sen. Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona."

I've said before that our problem is that we can no longer talk about climate change policy because Republicans don't even believe it exists. We don't need to engage with people in denial. Here is the main takeaway from the article, which is on point:

"But the problem is not that Manchin is just more moderate than his fellow Democrats. It’s that he doesn’t have any discernible core ideology.

If Manchin did have clear and consistent beliefs, Democrats could work with him. They’d know where he stands, and there might be an achievable compromise, even if it meant Manchin getting 90 percent of what he wants and the other Democrats getting only 10 percent of what they want.

But he isn’t. The real contrast on display here is this: For all his reputation as a far-out lefty, Sanders is simultaneously an ideologue and a pragmatist. For instance, while he has long advocated the creation of single-payer health care, he has voted for most incremental improvements to our current mess of a system. He argues for big change, but accepts that small changes are better than nothing. That’s someone other Democrats can negotiate with, even if they’re less progressive than him."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/18/sanders-eruption-manchin-democratic-party/

Thoughts? Frustration that Manchin can't see he's not upholding what Americans want? Fury at people just trying to stop Dems for the only reason that they are Dems?

[Anonymous]

The reality is that Dems should be grateful to have a Dem in one of the two WVA seats. It is an extremely conservative state and the fact that Manchin is there instead of a R is somewhat of a miracle. Dems should focus on building a pipeline of stronger candidates in races that they can realistically win instead of complaining about Manchin.

[Anonymous]

Coming from Bernie, the fool who helped spoil one election, this is rich.

It is infuriating that two rogue “Democrats” are able to stop everything. Most of Biden’s policies are pretty middle of the road and they’re what millions of Democrats and others voted for.

Its also infuriating that the Repubes are allowed to be regressive jerks who want to ruin America and no one cares.

[Anonymous]

My bad for not having any #gratitude. What difference does it make?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reality is that Dems should be grateful to have a Dem in one of the two WVA seats. It is an extremely conservative state and the fact that Manchin is there instead of a R is somewhat of a miracle. Dems should focus on building a pipeline of stronger candidates in races that they can realistically win instead of complaining about Manchin.

Why be grateful? The reactionary does absolutely no good for the party. So I will keep on pointing the finger at him for being a traitor who cares not one bit about the country. That the President and rest of the party grovel at his feet is beyond obscene.

[Anonymous]

Manchin believes his voters are idiots. What an absolute weasel. And he strikes me as the petty type.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reality is that Dems should be grateful to have a Dem in one of the two WVA seats. It is an extremely conservative state and the fact that Manchin is there instead of a R is somewhat of a miracle. Dems should focus on building a pipeline of stronger candidates in races that they can realistically win instead of complaining about Manchin.

Name something he’s done that we couldn’t have done without him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Manchin believes his voters are idiots. What an absolute weasel. And he strikes me as the petty type.

So does DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Get rid of Manchin. Primary him.

Return that seat back to Republicans.

Who will you have to blame then?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reality is that Dems should be grateful to have a Dem in one of the two WVA seats. It is an extremely conservative state and the fact that Manchin is there instead of a R is somewhat of a miracle. Dems should focus on building a pipeline of stronger candidates in races that they can realistically win instead of complaining about Manchin.

Manchin could not win as a republicans. He is just a grifter. His vote goes to the highest bidder. This is a problem with the filibuster and the republicans voting as a block. The senate is already designed to reduce the representation of urban and suburban areas and states. The filibuster take this to a new level. Disenfranchising the majority of the country. Republicans from populous state in the past would vote with republicans reducing the impact of someone like Manchin. The country can not go on this way.

[Anonymous]

At least Manchin is a Democrat in a Trump +30 state. The real problems are Senators like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is that Dems should be grateful to have a Dem in one of the two WVA seats. It is an extremely conservative state and the fact that Manchin is there instead of a R is somewhat of a miracle. Dems should focus on building a pipeline of stronger candidates in races that they can realistically win instead of complaining about Manchin.

Why be grateful? The reactionary does absolutely no good for the party. So I will keep on pointing the finger at him for being a traitor who cares not one bit about the country. That the President and rest of the party grovel at his feet is beyond obscene.

That’s fair. Good luck to the Dems when it is a Matt Geatz or Mitch McConnel style Rep. in that seat instead.

[Anonymous]

The reality is that the Democratic Party no longer has a discernible core ideology. It has like 50. Which is why they will continue to lose and lose and lose.

[Anonymous]

Maybe some of the GOP could stand up for sensible gun laws, for women to be able to control their own bodies etc.

Yes, it stinks what Manchin is doing. At least Schumer and not McConnell is controlling the Senate for now. At least there are judges going through.

But let's not put the blame on one man. There are 50 GOP Senators, and not a single one is standing up for what is right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reality is that the Democratic Party no longer has a discernible core ideology. It has like 50. Which is why they will continue to lose and lose and lose.

Yes everyone laughed at the republicans when they went hard core right but it worked. The dems should abandoned this moderate sh#t. There are only two parties. It really does not matter what you stand for as a party you will get your time in office because people will get tried if the other party in 2 years. When you win push through everything you can and get ready for the next cycle.