Is everyone just stunned that we’ve stepped back 50 years in time?
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| ^^ Then just call them the KKK, which is pretty accurate. |
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Op here. This is what I meant. There have been a slew of “religious freedom” cases in the last month. The Christian flag case, the state funded tuition case, now this praying at the 50 yard line. Also, abortion is up there. It’s clear these folks are injecting their religious views into these cases. They’ve eroded any semblance of a church vs state separation. Then you’ve got Boebert today saying that separation is stupid. At the core, and distilling all your dismissive hand waving of these clearly evident facts, is that you’ve got this fired up, energized mass of conservatives and religious nuts who know they’re losing the culture war and so they do all these underhanded tricks, both politically and socially, to try and stymie social progress. They’re well mobilized and funded by churches etc. You’ve got Mitch not letting democrats get their judges on the court, but instead putting on Fed Soc sponsored zealots. And look at Clarence thomas that psychopath with the nutty wife who is an insurrectionist. They know they’re losing in the court of public opinion. They know the church is bleeding members, but they’ll do anything ot takes, even Christian nationalism type of aggressive tactics, to try to desperately try to ensure they can shove religion and bad science and poor health policy (no abortion) down our throats. All they’ve done is energize the enlightened and educated folks who are now deathly afraid their gay friends will lose their insurance benefits, or their wife will die from an easily preventable pregancy related condition that could have been properly addressed in a pre-Roe struck down era. They see that their contraception is at stake or that even gay sex could be criminalized. Or that, yes, interracial marriage which rests on the same sort of legal principle or unenumerated rights, could be tossed out by some out of touch, old school, regressive, zealot justices. So don’t play coy. Don’t even act like you have a “majority” thats a joke. You just have cunning politicians and dedicated nut bags with church money behind them to help funds batsht right wing loonies to the court. |
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They tossed aside precedent and stare decisis, lied in their confirmation, and are injecting religiously based jurisprudence into their rulings which will upend medical care for millions where it didn’t previously exist, but sure, it’s all so innocuous. I mean hey why get upset right? Lol. |
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So, here’s the deal: (1) The belief that abortion is infanticide is not just something I accept - duhh. Where did that idea come from? Lots of places, I am sure, but none of them are sources I believe in. So for some its religion - others may have other reasons - but literally you can’t impose your BELIEF on me. Bc that’s what it is. A F**king belief. (2) I’ve said it once if I’ve said it a million times. If you seriously think that abortion is murder - then you are one sick F**k for sitting back and watching an annual genocide. So f**k you on those grounds too. (3) No, I will not see people who want to strip me of bodily auto only as my ally. They are, in fact, my enemy and I won’t be gaslit by morons like you trying to tell me they mean well. Step the f**k back from my body then. That - or come kill me before I commit more murder - bc Jesus…you people who claim to love god really are chill with witnessing a genocide every year. I can promise you, in the face of genocide, I wouldn’t be so complicit. ANd yes, I’m Jewish so yes, i have a personal issue w/ genocide and if they come to kill me, I plan to fight them to the death. |
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Yes but also scared for DD. 28 states are likely to restrict abortion in the coming months. Sure we are safe in Md but what if she wants to study in Florida or South Carolina or wherever else they are on the way to criminalizing abortion and perhaps even contraception? It Will like it college choices and future career advancement opportunities for many women who favor their freedom over other wise good college and career opportunities. Many women in some states will be forced to give birth to babies born of rape, incest and/ or domestic abuse. I don’t want Dd even studying in states that show such contempt for women’s (and often men’s) needs.
It is frightening that Republican politicians are even talking about monitoring period tracking apps and other online data to help prosecute young women. Who votes for these crazies? Period tracking apps are scrambling to anonymize user data to avoid abortion prosecution risks. Missouri already kept a spread sheet of menstrual cycles of women who visited the only planned parenthood in the state that provided abortion services. Hope the bill by Rep Sara Jacobs (Ca - D) to curb mass collection of reproductive data passes. Her bill would limit how much sexual health data thatvtech firms can collect, keep, utilize and disclose. So I agree :- it is shocking that we are in a weird time where social rights for women have gone back decades and yet cutting edge modern technology can be wielded against them. |
Anonymous
And they used a bunch of bullsh!t, bad-faith, baseless "reasoning" to get there. This whole "oh, it's neutral, it just returns the issue to the states" is a total farce of an argument. It willfully ignores (1) trigger laws and (2) the fact that Republicans are openly gunning for a national abortion ban, which Dobbs explicitly would allow. |
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Bad understanding of metaphors, PP. I wasn’t “moving the goalposts”, I was bringing the goalposts closer together and removing the distraction of ‘liberal’. |
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Maybe slightly OT but in the adoption world there are agencies and some individuals who very specifically want christian parents but NOT Catholics. I guess they do have their differences. |
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We haven't, OP.
You are being hyperbolic and quite the chicken little. As far as the abortion case, the SCOTUS is returning decisions to the states - where they should have been for the past 50 years. And, as far as the religion cases...... we still do have free speech and free practice of religion in the US. SCOTUS recognizes this. Sorry you don't. |
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I think both sides of the political spectrum have had great victories thanks to the supreme court. Gay marriage for many on the religious right was seen as a disaster a few years ago. Today many on the center and left view this new abortion ruling equally as a disaster. In my opinion, the reason why we got to this point is because people who support abortion never gave it full support. Opinion polls often reveal over half the country in support of abortion. However, once the issue is disaggregated further (i.e abortion at xyz weeks) then you have all kind of opinions. Unless we reach a point where people who support abortion support it without any restrictions, the side that is against abortion (which is laser focused because they are a firm NO) will continue to win. The debate should be framed more toward women's rights to choose and nothing else. But then again the Democrats are too distracted with semantics and woke stuff (sorry for borrowing a right wing term here). Sadly as a man I can just say this is another evidence that the United States continues to be truly a men-dominated world. Some will quickly argue that women in the north are "free",but many of those men in the north are not giving abortion the full support it deserves. They will quickly say beyond xyz week they are against it. Why should they care about any cutoff? The cutoff needs to be taken out of discussion then you will truly have 2 camps. As long as that grey area is there it gives those against abortion an advantage. And finally the country is simply broken. If we all come to this conclusion then we can actually begin to fix it. Some think that the fact that all our major cultural issues are being decided by SCOTUS as opposed to Congress as a sign of a working democracy. I beg to differ here. |
Anonymous
We got here because the Democrats have viewed the Supreme Court as a legislative branch for decades now..... Instead of working to legislate their initiatives, they have depended on SCOTUS to do it for them. |
Anonymous
| We need to elect Supreme justices and strip them of the for life perks. We need more of them and there should be a limit on how many can be from one party. |
Anonymous
Great assessment. The issue is that conservatism/nativism tend to look backward and cling to past customs and is very self centered. Progressivism is like a one way high speed train without breaks. All the ills of societies have to be addressed and fixed quickly and those who get on the way are "backwards". Unfortunately the people with the power under the electoral college system belong to the conservative/nativist camp. They represent a huge percentage of the population and will be around for awhile (aka boomers). Many are retired, bored, and want to keep re-living the world they have known before 2000. Young women sadly will be the ones paying the price. What's even weirder is that the only incentive that can increase total fertility (from a demographic not medical point of view) is to have policies that are pro-women and pro-children. |
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| Expand the court now! Have cases be assigned randomly to 7-9 judges. Have them recuse from clear conflict of interest cases. Have term limits, 20-25years is good enough for stability. |
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While I agree with some of your points, I think it is very sexist to suggest women are monolithic in their stances on abortion. Many moderate and conservative women on both sides of the aisle are not in support of unrestricted abortion and some even support full bans. This is not just a male vs female issue. It's not just a religious issue or political party issue. It's a moral values issue. And as you pointed out, opinions vary widely on both sides when it comes to the morality of an elective abortion of a viable fetus. |