Is everyone just stunned that we’ve stepped back 50 years in time?

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Anonymous wrote:Mitch McConnell stole the supreme Court Justice seed and is to blame for all of this

He is pure evil

Are you both second graders? JFC. Grow up.

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Anonymous wrote:Obviously everyone is not stunned.

But I'm stunned that some liberals are still shocked that the majority doesn't always agree with everything they stand for. I'm shocked that some liberals think religious people shouldn't vote in accordance with their own values but liberals should be free to vote in accordance with theirs. I'm shocked that whenever a political party doesn't get it's way there's talk of receding and revolution. I'm shocked that so many people fall for Russian propoganda designed to separate us so we will more easily fall. But mostly I'm shocked at how so many people live in their own political bubble that they fool themselves into thinking "everyone" thinks the same as they do when in reality it's just the 10-20 people they hang around.

I’m not shocked at all. But it’s fundamentally anti American to believe that you should impose Christianity on us. It’s literally Amendment numero uno.

DP. Who is “imposing Christianity” on you? All the SC did was place the issue of abortion with the states to decide. Vote accordingly. No one is forcing anything on you, but everyone is certainly entitled to vote on the issue. It should never have been legislated by the SC in the first place, which is the whole point. And I’m pro-choice.

np So you are cool with women not being allowed to travel to get an abortion? Or order the abortion pill? Doesn't that scare you at all?

No, because if any state tries to impose that, they'll be overruled. Stop fear-mongering.

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Anonymous wrote:Or is there just apathy? I cant tell.

Between abortion and the three recent Supreme Court cases siding with organized religion, it seems like we are just heading back to a time of superstition.

I mean really what the fk just happened? What is this?

No not stunned. These are the correct decisions and should never have been made in the first place. Congress should have addresed abortion. They are the failure here. It was never a Consitutional protection. The religion stuff is right. Read the 1st amendment. Courts went sideways on this long ago.

Exactly. This is a job for Congress and the democratic process - good for the justices for recognizing this. They’re not there to legislate.

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Except that Roe has been the case law for 50 years, impacts millions of women, was supposedly settled. obviously, to a fascist, sending it to congress is a “good” idea, in the sense that anyone who understands legislation knows that it has no chance at becoming law. Also, this case opens up the door to end gay marriage and gay sex and all that other icky stuff Jesus doesn’t like apparently.

Actually, I'm one of the above posters and I would very much like to see abortion rights codified in law. But it most definitely was NOT "supposedly settled" - it's had dozens of challenges over the years. It's not the Supreme Court's place to legislate. This should have been a states' issue long ago. And it has nothing to do with gay marriage.

It was precedent that had been affirmed about two dozen times.

But not with these new anti choice zealots on the court. Women need to get some representation for their basic rights back on the court. Switch out these old men with some people with respect for women and change it back to a court that will stand up for us

We are screwed because we have to wait for several of the rwnj justices to die

Well, Thomas is 80 so at least there’s that.

He will be replaced of course at some point. What is the plan to make sure his replacement has intention to safeguard women's reproductive rights in ALL states.

It would probably go a long way if Democrats didn’t vote and then scatter, confused about what they supported mere weeks before. I guess that’s probably driven in online spaces by right wingers pretending to be Democrats as we’ve seen on here so many times (“I’m a Democrat, I voted for Clinton twice, then W twice, then Obama twice so you know my bonafides but I think that this bill just goes too far in respecting women. I just can’t co sign it for the following right wing reasons…”)

Support the more progressive candidate. Stop backing off when we have a majority. Stop getting all faux moderate and pretending like AOC is advocating for hanging the VP for disagreeing with her. Stop pretending like progressives have some whacky off the wall goals. Some are, some aren’t, but our Overton window is currently in the entry way to the house of fascism. Maybe 40 years of right wing dominance is long enough and maybe we shouldn’t privatize everything and maybe corporations shouldn’t have the same rights as people and maybe we should get money out of politics.

DP. Regarding the bolded, that's absurd. There are plenty of Democrats who DO feel that Dems have gone way too far left. And there are also plenty of pro-choice Republicans. You can support either party but still not agree with everything that party represents. It sounds like you are one of the far left people that mainstream Democrats are not interested in aligning with.

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Anonymous wrote:Obviously everyone is not stunned.

But I'm stunned that some liberals are still shocked that the majority doesn't always agree with everything they stand for. I'm shocked that some liberals think religious people shouldn't vote in accordance with their own values but liberals should be free to vote in accordance with theirs. I'm shocked that whenever a political party doesn't get it's way there's talk of receding and revolution. I'm shocked that so many people fall for Russian [sic] propoganda designed to separate us so we will more easily fall. But mostly I'm shocked at how so many people live in their own political bubble that they fool themselves into thinking "everyone" thinks the same as they do when in reality it's just the 10-20 people they hang around.

When you say "religious people" you are excluding Americans that are religious and practice religions outside of Christianity. You do realize that Buddhism, Hinduism,
Islam, Judaism, and other religions practiced here do have more open views on abortion, and don't necessarily outlaw or forbid them as Christians have done.

Perhaps it's you that needs expand your bubble and realize that religion in America is not limited to Christianity. Although, based on this Supreme Court, that no longer seems the case.

You are wrong. When I wrote religious people, I meant religious people.

Jews aren't religious? Or do you believe that they have to vote in line with Christianity, instead of Jewish beliefs?

Many muslims do not support abortion especially after 120 days. Generally Hindus do not suppprt abortion either. Buddhism actually teaches away from abortion though many Buddhists seem to support it. On the flip side many liberal christians support abortion-christians are not monolithic on this. And many individual jews do not support it-they are not monolithic either. Also abortion is not the ony issue. Regardless everyone has a right to vote in accordance with their own values- whether those values stem from their faith or not, and whether their values align with those of the liberal platform or not.

https://religionunplugged.com/news/2022/6/24/what-six-american-religious-sub-groups-think-about-abortion
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/06/21/where-major-religious-groups-stand-on-abortion/

Yeah, no. You presented the religious and liberals as two separate groups, as if liberals cannot be religious, and the religious cannot be liberal.

Bullsh!t.

The post clearly says "some liberals". And it is clear from the many liberals bashing christianity and other religions on this forum that some liberals think religious people should only vote in accordance with their own values if their values are in alignment with the liberal platform.

I’m a liberal. I’m religious. Christian, actually. I bash Christianists that scorn learning, science and Jesus’s words. I deplore fundamentalism and extremism, and it seems that’s all that regressives can be these days.

Today’s Christianists seem to have lost their humanity.

DP. The phrase "Christianist" refers to fundamental Christianity. So it seems you actually are a fundamentalist.

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Anonymous wrote:Mitch McConnell stole the supreme Court Justice seed and is to blame for all of this

He is pure evil

Are you both second graders? JFC. Grow up.

My parents are 90 year old pro life Catholics and even they think McConnell is pretty evil. It’s a pretty objective fact that he’s a pretty awful dude for a lot of different reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:92% of abortions are done for convenience

This is TOTALLY FAKE data.

What it actually means is that for 92.330% of abortions, they have no data. Not that they have actual data saying "abortion of convenience." They just treated it as if it were "abortion of convenience" which is totally dishonest.

The patient wasn't asked why, or the patient declined/refused to answer when asked why. Among those who got the "no reason" abortions were victims of the 770,000 rapes a year that happen in America, victims of incest, victims of extreme poverty, et cetera.

It's the exact opposite of 92.330% of patients saying "oh yeah I got an abortion for sh*ts and giggles!"

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Anonymous wrote:Obviously everyone is not stunned.

But I'm stunned that some liberals are still shocked that the majority doesn't always agree with everything they stand for. I'm shocked that some liberals think religious people shouldn't vote in accordance with their own values but liberals should be free to vote in accordance with theirs. I'm shocked that whenever a political party doesn't get it's way there's talk of receding and revolution. I'm shocked that so many people fall for Russian [sic] propoganda designed to separate us so we will more easily fall. But mostly I'm shocked at how so many people live in their own political bubble that they fool themselves into thinking "everyone" thinks the same as they do when in reality it's just the 10-20 people they hang around.

When you say "religious people" you are excluding Americans that are religious and practice religions outside of Christianity. You do realize that Buddhism, Hinduism,
Islam, Judaism, and other religions practiced here do have more open views on abortion, and don't necessarily outlaw or forbid them as Christians have done.

Perhaps it's you that needs expand your bubble and realize that religion in America is not limited to Christianity. Although, based on this Supreme Court, that no longer seems the case.

You are wrong. When I wrote religious people, I meant religious people.

Jews aren't religious? Or do you believe that they have to vote in line with Christianity, instead of Jewish beliefs?

Many muslims do not support abortion especially after 120 days. Generally Hindus do not suppprt abortion either. Buddhism actually teaches away from abortion though many Buddhists seem to support it. On the flip side many liberal christians support abortion-christians are not monolithic on this. And many individual jews do not support it-they are not monolithic either. Also abortion is not the ony issue. Regardless everyone has a right to vote in accordance with their own values- whether those values stem from their faith or not, and whether their values align with those of the liberal platform or not.

https://religionunplugged.com/news/2022/6/24/what-six-american-religious-sub-groups-think-about-abortion
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/06/21/where-major-religious-groups-stand-on-abortion/

Yeah, no. You presented the religious and liberals as two separate groups, as if liberals cannot be religious, and the religious cannot be liberal.

Bullsh!t.

The post clearly says "some liberals". And it is clear from the many liberals bashing christianity and other religions on this forum that some liberals think religious people should only vote in accordance with their own values if their values are in alignment with the liberal platform.

I’m a liberal. I’m religious. Christian, actually. I bash Christianists that scorn learning, science and Jesus’s words. I deplore fundamentalism and extremism, and it seems that’s all that regressives can be these days.

Today’s Christianists seem to have lost their humanity.

DP. The phrase "Christianist" refers to fundamental Christianity. So it seems you actually are a fundamentalist.

DP... fundamentalists seem to have never gotten beyond the Old Testament. They focus entirely on Old Testament hell and brimfire and completely throw out everything actually taught by Christ about tolerance, compassion et cetera in the four Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. It completely baffles me why they even call themselves Christians when they trample Christ's actual teachings the way they do.

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Anonymous wrote:Rapist now get to pick the mother of their children

Christ - that’s some dark phrasing. And 100% true.

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Anonymous wrote:92% of abortions are done for convenience

This is TOTALLY FAKE data.

What it actually means is that for 92.330% of abortions, they have no data. Not that they have actual data saying "abortion of convenience." They just treated it as if it were "abortion of convenience" which is totally dishonest.

The patient wasn't asked why, or the patient declined/refused to answer when asked why. Among those who got the "no reason" abortions were victims of the 770,000 rapes a year that happen in America, victims of incest, victims of extreme poverty, et cetera.

It's the exact opposite of 92.330% of patients saying "oh yeah I got an abortion for sh*ts and giggles!"

If there were significant medical reasons, I would think a physician beyond an abortion doctor would be involved and be able to provide data

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Anonymous wrote:92% of abortions are done for convenience

This is TOTALLY FAKE data.

What it actually means is that for 92.330% of abortions, they have no data. Not that they have actual data saying "abortion of convenience." They just treated it as if it were "abortion of convenience" which is totally dishonest.

The patient wasn't asked why, or the patient declined/refused to answer when asked why. Among those who got the "no reason" abortions were victims of the 770,000 rapes a year that happen in America, victims of incest, victims of extreme poverty, et cetera.

It's the exact opposite of 92.330% of patients saying "oh yeah I got an abortion for sh*ts and giggles!"

I have no idea where the supposed numbers came from. But everything I’ve seen falls along the lines of this study comparing reasons given in 1987 and 2004:

https://www.guttmacher.org/perspectives50/womens-reasons-having-abortion

In both years, the reasons were basically the same. “Having a baby would dramatically interfere with their education, work, or ability to care for their dependents, or they could not afford a baby at the time.” In-depth follow-up interviews “portrayed women who had had an abortion as typically feeling that they had no other choice, given their limited resources and existing responsibilities to others.”

“Elective” means they made the choice to have an abortion. Not that they were just doing it for funsies.

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Anonymous wrote:92% of abortions are done for convenience

This is TOTALLY FAKE data.

What it actually means is that for 92.330% of abortions, they have no data. Not that they have actual data saying "abortion of convenience." They just treated it as if it were "abortion of convenience" which is totally dishonest.

The patient wasn't asked why, or the patient declined/refused to answer when asked why. Among those who got the "no reason" abortions were victims of the 770,000 rapes a year that happen in America, victims of incest, victims of extreme poverty, et cetera.

It's the exact opposite of 92.330% of patients saying "oh yeah I got an abortion for sh*ts and giggles!"

I have no idea where the supposed numbers came from. But everything I’ve seen falls along the lines of this study comparing reasons given in 1987 and 2004:

https://www.guttmacher.org/perspectives50/womens-reasons-having-abortion

In both years, the reasons were basically the same. “Having a baby would dramatically interfere with their education, work, or ability to care for their dependents, or they could not afford a baby at the time.” In-depth follow-up interviews “portrayed women who had had an abortion as typically feeling that they had no other choice, given their limited resources and existing responsibilities to others.”

“Elective” means they made the choice to have an abortion. Not that they were just doing it for funsies.

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Anonymous wrote:They really played the long game. They won.

I mean even with young folks leaving the pews in droves, and gender equality and equal rights being so popular, they captured the court and have stymied any kind of social progress. It’s brilliant. Mitch McConnell is truly a genius.

Pretty soon pollution controls will be shut down with wv. Vs epa, more cities will be less safe because of laxer gun laws as a result of that court case, and essentially western liberalism, as we’ve come to know it, will take a back seat to this more regressive time. All a result of politically maneuvering and getting a few zealots on the court! It’s brilliant. They’re out of power, yet still can effectively control society with the court. Pretty soon they’ll be in power again, because repubs are so much better at messaging, and who knows what other rights they’ll change.

Ha! It really is like a dystopian Netflix show. People in other civilized countries are watching aghast as we turn into the equivalent of a snake handling backwoods town.

Agree with all of your points - and certainly the bolded.

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Anonymous wrote:92% of abortions are done for convenience

This is TOTALLY FAKE data.

What it actually means is that for 92.330% of abortions, they have no data. Not that they have actual data saying "abortion of convenience." They just treated it as if it were "abortion of convenience" which is totally dishonest.

The patient wasn't asked why, or the patient declined/refused to answer when asked why. Among those who got the "no reason" abortions were victims of the 770,000 rapes a year that happen in America, victims of incest, victims of extreme poverty, et cetera.

It's the exact opposite of 92.330% of patients saying "oh yeah I got an abortion for sh*ts and giggles!"

If there were significant medical reasons, I would think a physician beyond an abortion doctor would be involved and be able to provide data

What is an abortion doctor? Do you mean an OBGYN surgeon? Do we call cardiac surgeon pacemaker installers? Denigrating doctors who provide abortion care is how we got into our current civil rights nightmare.

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Anonymous wrote:92% of abortions are done for convenience

These responses are voluntary and as you can see the vast majority of women are ChOOSING to provide no information. Because it’s none of your business why they underwent a medical procedure.

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I called it when I went on a reading binge for 5 years and read about history, past leaders, Hitler, Stalin, ancient societies and their rise and failure, and social and political climates. My one takeaway: History ALWAYS repeats itself. Be ready