Separaton of Church and State

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Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.

It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.

This was such the right decision.

Many felt like they had to join his sessions because then they wouldn’t get playing time over those who did if they didn’t.

That is just not true at all.

Yes it is. Read the case.

Read the case and the oral arguments and statements from the school and the parents. There was zero coercion.

If you think that persons in positions of authority over children - like coaches and teachers - can ask children to join in prayer to Jesus Christ without having Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, atheist, or agnostic children feeling coerced then you clearly have no understanding of children and the power of teachers and coaches over them. Would you ever say that a student could avoid sexual advances by a coach because there was no "coercion"? Simply being in a position of authority over children implies a level of coercive power.

You didn’t read the case or the news. When he started doi the prayers privately, SOME students ASKED to join him. There was zero coercion.

The case has testimony from an atheist player who said he had to play along or risk playing time. The 6 are lying to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The right wing really wants a theocracy.

And they’re winning. They’re so dedicated and just don’t forget. They never stopped their insidious movement toward a “Christian nation”. This ruling just shows they got their justices and they’re getting their rulings now. They want to turn back time. Stop the Gays. Stop birth control. Stop any line between church and state and generally impose their will. It’s working and agnostics and atheists are generally too polite, too educated and too self-aware to make waves. They are being intimidated and bullied by these rulings. I don’t fking believe in Jesus. Stop trying to shove him down my throat. I don’t fkig want that.

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Anonymous wrote:Perfect. Lets start leading some Muslim prayers in school.

This. We have some extended family in the Midwest that see nothing wrong with this because they are very religious (Christians obviously) and are surrounded by similar people so for them this so normal, having prayer at board school meetings, political meetings, school, sports events and so on. Because they think the US is a Christian country where other faiths exist and are tolerated as long as they do their things in their homes/place of faith. They don’t conceive that if taxpayer money goes to Christian schools then their packager money can support a Muslim school or a Indù school. Let’s have a Muslim cleric pray on the 50 line at their HS Friday night game and you will see WW3

The projection of "liberal bubbles" when this is how so much of America lives is astounding.

Great, then hopefully your “much of America” will be sooner or later be exposed to the results of the more recent decisions. In the areas when my ILs live (the real America outside of the liberal bubble according to you) there has been a recent influx of Muslim refugees. They will eventually have their sports teams with Muslim coaches and Muslim schools that will be entitled to taxpayer money. Sooner or later your “real America” will realize that the majority is not white and Christian. I bet they will give a second look to the constitution

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Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.

It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.

This was such the right decision.

Many felt like they had to join his sessions because then they wouldn’t get playing time over those who did if they didn’t.

That is just not true at all.

Yes it is. Read the case.

Read the case and the oral arguments and statements from the school and the parents. There was zero coercion.

If you think that persons in positions of authority over children - like coaches and teachers - can ask children to join in prayer to Jesus Christ without having Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, atheist, or agnostic children feeling coerced then you clearly have no understanding of children and the power of teachers and coaches over them. Would you ever say that a student could avoid sexual advances by a coach because there was no "coercion"? Simply being in a position of authority over children implies a level of coercive power.

You didn’t read the case or the news. When he started doi the prayers privately, SOME students ASKED to join him. There was zero coercion.

“The District Court found, in the evidentiary record, that some students reported joining Kennedy’s prayer because they felt social pressure to follow their coach and teammates.”

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Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.

It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.

This was such the right decision.

Many felt like they had to join his sessions because then they wouldn’t get playing time over those who did if they didn’t.

That is just not true at all.

Yes it is. Read the case.

Read the case and the oral arguments and statements from the school and the parents. There was zero coercion.

If you think that persons in positions of authority over children - like coaches and teachers - can ask children to join in prayer to Jesus Christ without having Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, atheist, or agnostic children feeling coerced then you clearly have no understanding of children and the power of teachers and coaches over them. Would you ever say that a student could avoid sexual advances by a coach because there was no "coercion"? Simply being in a position of authority over children implies a level of coercive power.

You didn’t read the case or the news. When he started doi the prayers privately, SOME students ASKED to join him. There was zero coercion.

The case has testimony from an atheist player who said he had to play along or risk playing time. The 6 are lying to you.

He felt aggrieved. So? Does he have proof that this was the case or were his feelings the thing?

And, that pic that Sotomayor included..... note that there are players from TWO teams there. So, players from the opposing team joined in the prayer.
And, you see this as a problem?
Did any player testify that they were coerced and did they have evidence of that coercion?

Because, there was evidence that players that expressed discomfort to him about praying were made co-captains because of their willingness to speak their minds.......

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The court purposely did not take into account his past history of encouraging prayer on the 50-yard line and inviting others to join him.... This isn't a one-time thing he did. It was an ongoing practice and it made players feel uncomfortable

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Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.

It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.

This was such the right decision.

Many felt like they had to join his sessions because then they wouldn’t get playing time over those who did if they didn’t.

That is just not true at all.

Yes it is. Read the case.

Read the case and the oral arguments and statements from the school and the parents. There was zero coercion.

If you think that persons in positions of authority over children - like coaches and teachers - can ask children to join in prayer to Jesus Christ without having Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, atheist, or agnostic children feeling coerced then you clearly have no understanding of children and the power of teachers and coaches over them. Would you ever say that a student could avoid sexual advances by a coach because there was no "coercion"? Simply being in a position of authority over children implies a level of coercive power.

You didn’t read the case or the news. When he started doi the prayers privately, SOME students ASKED to join him. There was zero coercion.

The case has testimony from an atheist player who said he had to play along or risk playing time. The 6 are lying to you.

He felt aggrieved. So? Does he have proof that this was the case or were his feelings the thing?

And, that pic that Sotomayor included..... note that there are players from TWO teams there. So, players from the opposing team joined in the prayer.
And, you see this as a problem?
Did any player testify that they were coerced and did they have evidence of that coercion?

Because, there was evidence that players that expressed discomfort to him about praying were made co-captains because of their willingness to speak their minds.......

READ THE CASE. In the District Court. All the evidence is there.

[Anonymous]

I am a public school teacher. I am seriously considering praying for SOCIAL JUSTICE in front of my school. Yes, my prayer will include a desire for EQUAL RIGHTS for all, even POC, women, and LGBTQ+ people (gasp!).
Indoctrination is now legal! If I'm gonna' be accused of it, I may as well do it!

[Anonymous]

Since Republicans don't want their kids to learn that Sam might have two dads. How do we go about not wanting our kids to think that there's a make-believe man upstairs and if they don't pretend he exists they'll get no high school playing time.

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Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.

It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.

This was such the right decision.

Many felt like they had to join his sessions because then they wouldn’t get playing time over those who did if they didn’t.

That is just not true at all.

Yes it is. Read the case.

Read the case and the oral arguments and statements from the school and the parents. There was zero coercion.

If you think that persons in positions of authority over children - like coaches and teachers - can ask children to join in prayer to Jesus Christ without having Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, atheist, or agnostic children feeling coerced then you clearly have no understanding of children and the power of teachers and coaches over them. Would you ever say that a student could avoid sexual advances by a coach because there was no "coercion"? Simply being in a position of authority over children implies a level of coercive power.

You didn’t read the case or the news. When he started doi the prayers privately, SOME students ASKED to join him. There was zero coercion.

The case has testimony from an atheist player who said he had to play along or risk playing time. The 6 are lying to you.

The player is lying.

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Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.

It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.

This was such the right decision.

Many felt like they had to join his sessions because then they wouldn’t get playing time over those who did if they didn’t.

That is just not true at all.

Yes it is. Read the case.

Read the case and the oral arguments and statements from the school and the parents. There was zero coercion.

If you think that persons in positions of authority over children - like coaches and teachers - can ask children to join in prayer to Jesus Christ without having Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, atheist, or agnostic children feeling coerced then you clearly have no understanding of children and the power of teachers and coaches over them. Would you ever say that a student could avoid sexual advances by a coach because there was no "coercion"? Simply being in a position of authority over children implies a level of coercive power.

You didn’t read the case or the news. When he started doi the prayers privately, SOME students ASKED to join him. There was zero coercion.

The case has testimony from an atheist player who said he had to play along or risk playing time. The 6 are lying to you.

The player is lying.

You’re accusing a student of lying under oath?

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we need to make up new facts in order to fit the narrative that the Republicans want to push

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Anonymous wrote:This is about free speech and free exercise of religion.

No student is forced to participate in a post game prayer. This decision affirms the right for a coach to pray publicly following a game (or before a game).

This does not violate the separation of church and state.

Did you ever play HS sports? When the coach asks the team to participate in a public team prayer, there is a lot of pressure for everyone to participate. The ones who don’t want to do it bow their heads and are silent or mumble. If you are going to object to the prayer you may as well quit the team because you will be treated as a problem.

A few players went to Coach Kennedy to express that they were uncomfortable joining the prayer.
Do you know what he did?
He made them co-captains because he admired their willingness to speak out to him and to express their opinions. He viewed them as leaders.

If a player feels as if he/she has been pressured..... they can take that case to court.

Still coercive. In essence, his public prayer forces high school kids to declare and defend their religious beliefs in order to play a sport.

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Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.

It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.

This was such the right decision.

Many felt like they had to join his sessions because then they wouldn’t get playing time over those who did if they didn’t.

That is just not true at all.

Yes it is. Read the case.

Read the case and the oral arguments and statements from the school and the parents. There was zero coercion.

If you think that persons in positions of authority over children - like coaches and teachers - can ask children to join in prayer to Jesus Christ without having Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, atheist, or agnostic children feeling coerced then you clearly have no understanding of children and the power of teachers and coaches over them. Would you ever say that a student could avoid sexual advances by a coach because there was no "coercion"? Simply being in a position of authority over children implies a level of coercive power.

You didn’t read the case or the news. When he started doi the prayers privately, SOME students ASKED to join him. There was zero coercion.

The case has testimony from an atheist player who said he had to play along or risk playing time. The 6 are lying to you.

He felt aggrieved. So? Does he have proof that this was the case or were his feelings the thing?

And, that pic that Sotomayor included..... note that there are players from TWO teams there. So, players from the opposing team joined in the prayer.
And, you see this as a problem?
Did any player testify that they were coerced and did they have evidence of that coercion?

Because, there was evidence that players that expressed discomfort to him about praying were made co-captains because of their willingness to speak their minds.......

They don’t want you to know that because it doesn’t fit in with their anti freedom of expression thoughts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a public school teacher. I am seriously considering praying for SOCIAL JUSTICE in front of my school. Yes, my prayer will include a desire for EQUAL RIGHTS for all, even POC, women, and LGBTQ+ people (gasp!).
Indoctrination is now legal! If I'm gonna' be accused of it, I may as well do it!

Wow - you are late to the party.