Has LEO priority changed from community protection to self-protection?

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Anonymous wrote:My husband, one of those terrible cops we all must hate, risked his life to save a 16-year-old girl a few years ago. I understood why he put himself in so much danger, even though I selfishly wanted him to come home that night to our own children. You can disparage police all you want. There are many who will still stand between you and harm. I have first-hand knowledge of this.

No one thinks all police are bad. For instance the Border Control law enforcement team which IGNORED the Uvalde Chief of Police's orders and broke down the door after 90 minutes are heroes.

Yes, there are plenty of people who think all police are bad, including some local politicians. My husband gets spit on for getting out of his car these days. He can perform his job admirably, and it will never matter to some. The “good guy” that he is, he’ll just take it. As his wife, I get angry.

Boo hoo. Cry me an f ing river. I don’t care about your hurt feelings. I care about those parents who won’t ever see their kids again. How dare you make this about yourself.

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That’s not remotely what I did, and I think you know that. I simply defended a group that has been repeatedly disparaged, including on this thread. Pointing out that police may actually be allies is not centering this on myself.

Go away, this thread is not for you. I could care less how angry you get because people don't treat your husband poorly. WAHHHH poor you. I don't have any more f's to give after thinking non stop about these poor kids and their families for the last few days. So many of these conversations on what's wrong with policing get hijacked but butt hurt police wives and I am not here for it. You suck, and your husband isn't a "hero" who should be worshipped just because he is a cop.

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Go away! This thread is for hysterical venting and uninformed comments

Do you know the history of the word hysterical? Why would you use that word to describe parents concerned for their children’s safety and the loss of life in school shootings, as well as the police response to this and various other situations? Do you feel like the police acted appropriately in Uvalde? Do you feel like when people are analyzing how the adults in charge left children to die, and in one case caused the death of a child according to a boy in the classroom, this is the appropriate venue to start talking about how adults who chose to marry police officers have fears too? Maybe, if you feel like you’re not getting enough support for your feelings about the police officers you love and care for, you shouldn’t try to get it on a thread whose topic is police officers not rescuing children because they might get shot too. Maybe a better idea is to start a thread sharing your experiences with good guys with guns. Or do an AMA about being married to a cop. Or talk to spouses of police officers. But this particular thread might not be helpful for you. We’re still processing 21 people being massacred inside a school, the survivors’ accounts, and how scary it is to live in a world where 18yos have easy access to guns too scary for the police to fight back against, as well as the idea that the police actually make some situations worse instead of better. That last one has been building up for a while, but it sort of exploded recently when we heard children talking about calling 911 to say they can hear the police in the next room, why aren’t they rescuing us?

The intent of this thread, based on the OP’s title AND the first post, is to criticize police. The very first post suggests all cops are cowards unwilling to risk their lives. I was the first wife to post. (I’m clearly not the only one, nor am I the one I suspect you are responding to.) I posted that my husband HAS put his life at risk. I’ve met him in the hospital twice after attacks at work. THIS thread, which is about cowardness, does warrant responses like mine. To answer your questions, no, I do not think the police in Uvalde acted appropriately. I can be angry about their response while simultaneously not condemn every officer nationwide to vitriol.

Cool. Keep doing that then. I’m sure it’ll help everyone feel better and heal from this tragedy. Whenever you feel you’ve appropriately defended your husband’s honor, if you need a new project, I heard #notallmen needs more kind ladies to help them too.

Yep. No one cares about your feelings, police wife or wives. Truly. Your husbands work in a profession filled with vile racists, domestic abusers, and do nothings. This is a choice they made and you chose to marry them. F your feelings. I personally can’t stop thinking about the dead children and the living ones that had to go through it all and don’t understand why the “hero” cops just stood around.

Anyway, you are vile for coming in here and whining. Go to a police wife support group if you want sympathy.

I’m not bringing hate into this world, and neither is my husband. I did nothing more than counter a stereotype presented by the OP, and then parroted by you. I’m a world that needs more hope and love, perhaps you can find a way to work WITH people who agree with you instead of joyfully tearing them apart.

I know not all cops are bad. Some are good. However, the justice system is broken, and policing is uneven, unequal and largely corrupt. They're also overworked, jaded from seeing some of the worst aspects of society, and get crapped on by bad guys who don't like being policed as well as good guys who don't like how the system works. If it makes you feel better, why don't you assume that all the negative things said about police on the thread are only referring to the bad cops, like the ones who caused a little girl's death by telling the kids in a room with a shooter to yell if they need help, causing her to get shot when she called out for help. Then maybe assume when someone says something like, "police officers who let little kids die are bad people and should suffer whatever legal consequences are applicable," just assume that's not referring to your husband because you know in your heart that he's not like that. And when people say that the authorities who are lying or helping cover up mistakes made by cops who enabled the death of 21 teachers and children in a school are also criminals, please know we're not talking about your husband, because you vouched for him and he'd never do that either. And when we call the cops who stood outside establishing the perimeter instead of following their training and going after the man with a gun inside the school shooting kids, handcuffing parents, tasing parents, guns out threatening parents who wanted to save their families, when we call them pieces of sh*t, that's not referencing your husband. He would've gone in and done his job, because he's upstanding. I mean, that's not even being a good cop, that's being a normal person with a conscience.

So just please bear with us, and understand that we're just talking about the bad cops, not the cops you know. The ones who'd put a knee on someone's neck for almost 10 minutes until they die, or who shoot a child on a playground, or who shoot a man in his own apartment because they think they're inside their own home, or who don't shoot a man in a school while he kills children. Or the ones who cover up for those cops. Or who keep inviting them over to dinner after their mistakes are swept under the rug. Or who vote for fewer gun restrictions even though it endangers them more. Those are who we're talking about when we say bad cops. It's implied, but it takes too long to type it out every time we discuss a new horrific revelation about how inept or corrupt the police in Uvalde were this week.

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There are a lot of good cops out there, who are in their line of work for the right reasons. We need more of them. And we need them to train the new police.

And there are also a lot of guys who celebrate the "thin blue line" fascist paraphernalia, and don't actually care so much about the community they are policing. They are in it for the benefits, the early retirement and the praise from Trumpers.

I know police officers in both categories. The latter one always does something stupid or dangerous.

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LEO has to contend with a massively increasing number of lawless imbeciles. Blame the criminals not the people protecting us from them.

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Anonymous wrote:LEO has to contend with a massively increasing number of lawless imbeciles. Blame the criminals not the people protecting us from them.

Dumbass, the issue is that "LEO" "has to contend" with loner-misfit-freaks armed with assault weapons (because assault weapons are readily available in gun stores.)

Also re: "the the people protecting us" did you maybe miss something? Maybe you meant the people "establishing a perimeter"?

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Anonymous wrote:Law enforcement protocol is to run toward the active shooter and engage the shooter to put themselves in the line of danger to protect the innocent victims. Yes, that is the protocol.

Something like distraction or some kind of gunfire battle at far range, something to keep the killer distracted.

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I'm not surprised that many cops are just as scared of the AR-15 wielding crazies as we are. It's time to decouple policing with politics.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not surprised that many cops are just as scared of the AR-15 wielding crazies as we are. It's time to decouple policing with politics.

Most of the military people I know support various aspects of gun control. They receive a lot of training to handle their weapons and their weapons are closely tracked when they're issued. They know that not just any moron walking into Walmart should be buying a gun, especially without a background check.

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As reflected in the DMV for example, elites view life as a zero sum game. Evolutionary instincts take over. Makes sense that for some cops that prevails too.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not surprised that many cops are just as scared of the AR-15 wielding crazies as we are. It's time to decouple policing with politics.

Most of the military people I know support various aspects of gun control. They receive a lot of training to handle their weapons and their weapons are closely tracked when they're issued. They know that not just any moron walking into Walmart should be buying a gun, especially without a background check.

Exactly. We all know how to solve this issue: background checks and stricter regulations, along with limiting specific classes of weapons. The current wave of mass shootings did not start until after the NRA and weapons manufacturers ($$$) had the ban overturned and have fought against common sense background checks and regulations at every turn.

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Anonymous wrote:As reflected in the DMV for example, elites view life as a zero sum game. Evolutionary instincts take over. Makes sense that for some cops that prevails too.

No, it really doesn't make sense.

For some, they would know exactly what to do. Instinct would kick in, and they would be focused on the task at hand.

A trained surgeon could operate for hours to cut out a cancer.

A police officer who takes his job seriously would have taken up the scalpel and cut out the cancer.

Those big tub of Texas lards in cowboy hats stood by and did nothing except hold back parents who had to listen as their children were slaughtered.

We'll see how many suicides result from this. Who could live themselves?

And yes, the cowboy losers went home safely to their families. And now for all of eternity into the burning depths of hell, they will be nothing more than shameful cowards.

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Anonymous wrote:While the cops here clearly lacked the required intelligence and bravery for the job, let’s agree that the job is made exponentially more difficult when these kinds of weapons are flooding the country. The story is guns. Not the police.

True. But many LEOs vote for the representation that allows these weapons to be legal. If you vote for that, then get in there and take them on. If you don't want to go up against this weponry than don't vote to allow it and don't be a LEO.

Texas is the Wild West, every man woman and child for themselves. That is the sad truth and it’s an ethos promoted by elected officials all over the state. No wonder this is the kind of response you get from law enforcement.

Not a fan of Texas but FYI, Sandy Hook was in bluest CT

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Time to invest in our communities; not white supremacist law enforcement. Take away their big salaries and their toys.

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Anonymous wrote:While the cops here clearly lacked the required intelligence and bravery for the job, let’s agree that the job is made exponentially more difficult when these kinds of weapons are flooding the country. The story is guns. Not the police.

True. But many LEOs vote for the representation that allows these weapons to be legal. If you vote for that, then get in there and take them on. If you don't want to go up against this weponry than don't vote to allow it and don't be a LEO.

Texas is the Wild West, every man woman and child for themselves. That is the sad truth and it’s an ethos promoted by elected officials all over the state. No wonder this is the kind of response you get from law enforcement.

Not a fan of Texas but FYI, Sandy Hook was in bluest CT

That had a family full of gun nuts.