Has LEO priority changed from community protection to self-protection?

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Anonymous wrote:My husband, one of those terrible cops we all must hate, risked his life to save a 16-year-old girl a few years ago. I understood why he put himself in so much danger, even though I selfishly wanted him to come home that night to our own children. You can disparage police all you want. There are many who will still stand between you and harm. I have first-hand knowledge of this.

No one thinks all police are bad. For instance the Border Control law enforcement team which IGNORED the Uvalde Chief of Police's orders and broke down the door after 90 minutes are heroes.

Yes, there are plenty of people who think all police are bad, including some local politicians. My husband gets spit on for getting out of his car these days. He can perform his job admirably, and it will never matter to some. The “good guy” that he is, he’ll just take it. As his wife, I get angry.

Boo hoo. Cry me an f ing river. I don’t care about your hurt feelings. I care about those parents who won’t ever see their kids again. How dare you make this about yourself.

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That’s not remotely what I did, and I think you know that. I simply defended a group that has been repeatedly disparaged, including on this thread. Pointing out that police may actually be allies is not centering this on myself.

Go away, this thread is not for you. I could care less how angry you get because people don't treat your husband poorly. WAHHHH poor you. I don't have any more f's to give after thinking non stop about these poor kids and their families for the last few days. So many of these conversations on what's wrong with policing get hijacked but butt hurt police wives and I am not here for it. You suck, and your husband isn't a "hero" who should be worshipped just because he is a cop.

I have noticed this tendency among police wives and girlfriends…. “what about meee I’m scared he won’t come home at the end of his shift”. How do you think moms of black boys feel every day. It’s always white women doing this too as if the world revolves around them (I am a white woman BTW). My cousin tried to pull this crap on Facebook after George Floyd’s death and it was only her stupid cop boyfriend that she broke up with a couple months later. Read the damn room it’s not about you.

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Anonymous wrote:My husband, one of those terrible cops we all must hate, risked his life to save a 16-year-old girl a few years ago. I understood why he put himself in so much danger, even though I selfishly wanted him to come home that night to our own children. You can disparage police all you want. There are many who will still stand between you and harm. I have first-hand knowledge of this.

No one thinks all police are bad. For instance the Border Control law enforcement team which IGNORED the Uvalde Chief of Police's orders and broke down the door after 90 minutes are heroes.

Yes, there are plenty of people who think all police are bad, including some local politicians. My husband gets spit on for getting out of his car these days. He can perform his job admirably, and it will never matter to some. The “good guy” that he is, he’ll just take it. As his wife, I get angry.

Boo hoo. Cry me an f ing river. I don’t care about your hurt feelings. I care about those parents who won’t ever see their kids again. How dare you make this about yourself.

+ 1.

That’s not remotely what I did, and I think you know that. I simply defended a group that has been repeatedly disparaged, including on this thread. Pointing out that police may actually be allies is not centering this on myself.

Go away, this thread is not for you. I could care less how angry you get because people don't treat your husband poorly. WAHHHH poor you. I don't have any more f's to give after thinking non stop about these poor kids and their families for the last few days. So many of these conversations on what's wrong with policing get hijacked but butt hurt police wives and I am not here for it. You suck, and your husband isn't a "hero" who should be worshipped just because he is a cop.

I have noticed this tendency among police wives and girlfriends…. “what about meee I’m scared he won’t come home at the end of his shift”. How do you think moms of black boys feel every day. It’s always white women doing this too as if the world revolves around them (I am a white woman BTW). My cousin tried to pull this crap on Facebook after George Floyd’s death and it was only her stupid cop boyfriend that she broke up with a couple months later. Read the damn room it’s not about you.

Yep, this, exactly! Did you see that essay that was going around at the time for police wives on how to deal with the stress of it all? I couldn't even.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe if civilians didn’t have so many guns cops wouldn’t be so afraid. 🤔

+1 LEOs should be brave, but at the end of the day, going after that gunman would have been a suicidal mission. If four men had rushed him, maybe 3 would have been shot dead. Doesn’t mean that’s not their job, but we should have some empathy for the fact that these school officers are not Secret Service officers. Some may not have signed up with the idea that they need to throw their body in front of a crazed teen with 2 automatic weapons with 200 bullets. That’s a big ask.

It’s not what teachers signed up for either but here we are.

I agree. But most teachers got to stay home during CoViD due to a known risk of a pandemic. There have been many cases of educators dying shielding their students from bullets with their bodies. But we’re asking LEOs to run towards gunfire. And not all of them are trained and willing to do that. I can’t imagine a school based cop is particularly well trained in these areas.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe if civilians didn’t have so many guns cops wouldn’t be so afraid. 🤔

+1 LEOs should be brave, but at the end of the day, going after that gunman would have been a suicidal mission. If four men had rushed him, maybe 3 would have been shot dead. Doesn’t mean that’s not their job, but we should have some empathy for the fact that these school officers are not Secret Service officers. Some may not have signed up with the idea that they need to throw their body in front of a crazed teen with 2 automatic weapons with 200 bullets. That’s a big ask.

It’s not what teachers signed up for either but here we are.

I agree. But most teachers got to stay home during CoViD due to a known risk of a pandemic. There have been many cases of educators dying shielding their students from bullets with their bodies. But we’re asking LEOs to run towards gunfire. And not all of them are trained and willing to do that. I can’t imagine a school based cop is particularly well trained in these areas.

Except they’re the ones who are supposed to be the first responder. They’re taught this. Uvalde police definitely were trained, in class and role play. You should read the thread. It clears up these ideas that they didn’t know what they were getting into, that they’re supposed to wait for special gear or special forces, or whatever. https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1530357140191186944?s=20&t=y6Px4GFXMvcM_4WoUk0cUA

From the training materials: The guidelines provide sobering clarity: The first officers may be risking their lives. But, it says, innocent lives take priority.

“A first responder unwilling to place the lives of the innocent above their own safety should consider another career field."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe if civilians didn’t have so many guns cops wouldn’t be so afraid. 🤔

+1 LEOs should be brave, but at the end of the day, going after that gunman would have been a suicidal mission. If four men had rushed him, maybe 3 would have been shot dead. Doesn’t mean that’s not their job, but we should have some empathy for the fact that these school officers are not Secret Service officers. Some may not have signed up with the idea that they need to throw their body in front of a crazed teen with 2 automatic weapons with 200 bullets. That’s a big ask.

It’s not what teachers signed up for either but here we are.

I agree. But most teachers got to stay home during CoViD due to a known risk of a pandemic. There have been many cases of educators dying shielding their students from bullets with their bodies. But we’re asking LEOs to run towards gunfire. And not all of them are trained and willing to do that. I can’t imagine a school based cop is particularly well trained in these areas.

Except they’re the ones who are supposed to be the first responder. They’re taught this. Uvalde police definitely were trained, in class and role play. You should read the thread. It clears up these ideas that they didn’t know what they were getting into, that they’re supposed to wait for special gear or special forces, or whatever. https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1530357140191186944?s=20&t=y6Px4GFXMvcM_4WoUk0cUA

From the training materials: The guidelines provide sobering clarity: The first officers may be risking their lives. But, it says, innocent lives take priority.

“A first responder unwilling to place the lives of the innocent above their own safety should consider another career field."

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The police had an active shooter training drill in March at the school. And looked what happened two months later. It makes me as a teacher want to ignore every damn drill my school makes up practice. The lesson I’m getting: we are on our own, better make our own plans.

[Anonymous]

It's too big of an ask for Firefighters to go into a fire, especially an arson fire, even to save burning people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe if civilians didn’t have so many guns cops wouldn’t be so afraid. 🤔

+1 LEOs should be brave, but at the end of the day, going after that gunman would have been a suicidal mission. If four men had rushed him, maybe 3 would have been shot dead. Doesn’t mean that’s not their job, but we should have some empathy for the fact that these school officers are not Secret Service officers. Some may not have signed up with the idea that they need to throw their body in front of a crazed teen with 2 automatic weapons with 200 bullets. That’s a big ask.

Then the police should not have held the brave parents back from saving their own children.

Watch the video footage of that scene.

The police officers standing there in cowboy hats make me want to vomit. If I can help it, I will never step foot in Texas again.

[Anonymous]

Law enforcement officers will easily be replaced by artificial intelligence.

Surveillance cameras and drones and robots will do the job in the future.

Women will control these operations since the men will not have the intelligence or empathy. Brute force will be supplanted by intelligence, empathy, intuition, and compassion.

[Anonymous]

Law enforcement protocol is to run toward the active shooter and engage the shooter to put themselves in the line of danger to protect the innocent victims. Yes, that is the protocol.

[Anonymous]

While the cops here clearly lacked the required intelligence and bravery for the job, let’s agree that the job is made exponentially more difficult when these kinds of weapons are flooding the country. The story is guns. Not the police.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Law enforcement officers will easily be replaced by artificial intelligence.

Surveillance cameras and drones and robots will do the job in the future.

Women will control these operations since the men will not have the intelligence or empathy. Brute force will be supplanted by intelligence, empathy, intuition, and compassion.

That’s a great sci-fi novel, but in reality America will look more like Afghanistan soon. Women’s rights are being stripped away if you didn’t notice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:While the cops here clearly lacked the required intelligence and bravery for the job, let’s agree that the job is made exponentially more difficult when these kinds of weapons are flooding the country. The story is guns. Not the police.

True. But many LEOs vote for the representation that allows these weapons to be legal. If you vote for that, then get in there and take them on. If you don't want to go up against this weponry than don't vote to allow it and don't be a LEO.

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Anonymous wrote:While the cops here clearly lacked the required intelligence and bravery for the job, let’s agree that the job is made exponentially more difficult when these kinds of weapons are flooding the country. The story is guns. Not the police.

True. But many LEOs vote for the representation that allows these weapons to be legal. If you vote for that, then get in there and take them on. If you don't want to go up against this weponry than don't vote to allow it and don't be a LEO.

Texas is the Wild West, every man woman and child for themselves. That is the sad truth and it’s an ethos promoted by elected officials all over the state. No wonder this is the kind of response you get from law enforcement.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My husband, one of those terrible cops we all must hate, risked his life to save a 16-year-old girl a few years ago. I understood why he put himself in so much danger, even though I selfishly wanted him to come home that night to our own children. You can disparage police all you want. There are many who will still stand between you and harm. I have first-hand knowledge of this.

When LEO officers and their families start loudly advocating for gun control and supporting candidates that will enact change, I’ll start to sympathize.

Then start sympathizing. We’ve already been doing that.

Let me know when LEO’s stand beside Mom’s Demand Action in protest.

Why do you think that hasn’t already happened? Officers aren’t a monolith. Many feel the same way you do about gun control. Heck, they see the effects of our crappy gun laws more than the average citizen does. The assumption that police are all gun-toting Trumpers is infuriating to me. Guess what? Some officers are EXACTLY who you would want them to be ALREADY. They are equally as enraged as you are. I’m sorry for you if you can’t accept that some officers are good people.

It’s not enough. I don’t want to see law enforcement crowd controlling protests.
I want to see them leading them.

Viva la Revolucion!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My husband, one of those terrible cops we all must hate, risked his life to save a 16-year-old girl a few years ago. I understood why he put himself in so much danger, even though I selfishly wanted him to come home that night to our own children. You can disparage police all you want. There are many who will still stand between you and harm. I have first-hand knowledge of this.

No one thinks all police are bad. For instance the Border Control law enforcement team which IGNORED the Uvalde Chief of Police's orders and broke down the door after 90 minutes are heroes.

Yes, there are plenty of people who think all police are bad, including some local politicians. My husband gets spit on for getting out of his car these days. He can perform his job admirably, and it will never matter to some. The “good guy” that he is, he’ll just take it. As his wife, I get angry.

Boo hoo. Cry me an f ing river. I don’t care about your hurt feelings. I care about those parents who won’t ever see their kids again. How dare you make this about yourself.

+ 1.

That’s not remotely what I did, and I think you know that. I simply defended a group that has been repeatedly disparaged, including on this thread. Pointing out that police may actually be allies is not centering this on myself.

Go away, this thread is not for you. I could care less how angry you get because people don't treat your husband poorly. WAHHHH poor you. I don't have any more f's to give after thinking non stop about these poor kids and their families for the last few days. So many of these conversations on what's wrong with policing get hijacked but butt hurt police wives and I am not here for it. You suck, and your husband isn't a "hero" who should be worshipped just because he is a cop.

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Go away! This thread is for hysterical venting and uninformed comments