Has LEO priority changed from community protection to self-protection?

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Anonymous wrote:My husband, one of those terrible cops we all must hate, risked his life to save a 16-year-old girl a few years ago. I understood why he put himself in so much danger, even though I selfishly wanted him to come home that night to our own children. You can disparage police all you want. There are many who will still stand between you and harm. I have first-hand knowledge of this.

When LEO officers and their families start loudly advocating for gun control and supporting candidates that will enact change, I’ll start to sympathize.

Then start sympathizing. We’ve already been doing that.

Let me know when LEO’s stand beside Mom’s Demand Action in protest.

Why do you think that hasn’t already happened? Officers aren’t a monolith. Many feel the same way you do about gun control. Heck, they see the effects of our crappy gun laws more than the average citizen does. The assumption that police are all gun-toting Trumpers is infuriating to me. Guess what? Some officers are EXACTLY who you would want them to be ALREADY. They are equally as enraged as you are. I’m sorry for you if you can’t accept that some officers are good people.

Thank you PP for sharing and reminding all of us that officers are a monolith. Thank your husband too.
Signed, a progressive

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My husband, one of those terrible cops we all must hate, risked his life to save a 16-year-old girl a few years ago. I understood why he put himself in so much danger, even though I selfishly wanted him to come home that night to our own children. You can disparage police all you want. There are many who will still stand between you and harm. I have first-hand knowledge of this.

No one thinks all police are bad. For instance the Border Control law enforcement team which IGNORED the Uvalde Chief of Police's orders and broke down the door after 90 minutes are heroes.

Yes, there are plenty of people who think all police are bad, including some local politicians. My husband gets spit on for getting out of his car these days. He can perform his job admirably, and it will never matter to some. The “good guy” that he is, he’ll just take it. As his wife, I get angry.

Boo hoo. Cry me an f ing river. I don’t care about your hurt feelings. I care about those parents who won’t ever see their kids again. How dare you make this about yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My husband, one of those terrible cops we all must hate, risked his life to save a 16-year-old girl a few years ago. I understood why he put himself in so much danger, even though I selfishly wanted him to come home that night to our own children. You can disparage police all you want. There are many who will still stand between you and harm. I have first-hand knowledge of this.

When LEO officers and their families start loudly advocating for gun control and supporting candidates that will enact change, I’ll start to sympathize.

Then start sympathizing. We’ve already been doing that.

Let me know when LEO’s stand beside Mom’s Demand Action in protest.

Why do you think that hasn’t already happened? Officers aren’t a monolith. Many feel the same way you do about gun control. Heck, they see the effects of our crappy gun laws more than the average citizen does. The assumption that police are all gun-toting Trumpers is infuriating to me. Guess what? Some officers are EXACTLY who you would want them to be ALREADY. They are equally as enraged as you are. I’m sorry for you if you can’t accept that some officers are good people.

It’s not enough. I don’t want to see law enforcement crowd controlling protests.
I want to see them leading them.

In uniform? In most jurisdictions they aren’t allowed. As private citizens? They already are. Stop fighting those who try to HELP.

They need to start getting into some good trouble.
Seriously. Even if it’s for their own safety.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My husband, one of those terrible cops we all must hate, risked his life to save a 16-year-old girl a few years ago. I understood why he put himself in so much danger, even though I selfishly wanted him to come home that night to our own children. You can disparage police all you want. There are many who will still stand between you and harm. I have first-hand knowledge of this.

No one thinks all police are bad. For instance the Border Control law enforcement team which IGNORED the Uvalde Chief of Police's orders and broke down the door after 90 minutes are heroes.

Yes, there are plenty of people who think all police are bad, including some local politicians. My husband gets spit on for getting out of his car these days. He can perform his job admirably, and it will never matter to some. The “good guy” that he is, he’ll just take it. As his wife, I get angry.

Boo hoo. Cry me an f ing river. I don’t care about your hurt feelings. I care about those parents who won’t ever see their kids again. How dare you make this about yourself.

+ 1.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My husband, one of those terrible cops we all must hate, risked his life to save a 16-year-old girl a few years ago. I understood why he put himself in so much danger, even though I selfishly wanted him to come home that night to our own children. You can disparage police all you want. There are many who will still stand between you and harm. I have first-hand knowledge of this.

When LEO officers and their families start loudly advocating for gun control and supporting candidates that will enact change, I’ll start to sympathize.

Then start sympathizing. We’ve already been doing that.

Let me know when LEO’s stand beside Mom’s Demand Action in protest.

Why do you think that hasn’t already happened? Officers aren’t a monolith. Many feel the same way you do about gun control. Heck, they see the effects of our crappy gun laws more than the average citizen does. The assumption that police are all gun-toting Trumpers is infuriating to me. Guess what? Some officers are EXACTLY who you would want them to be ALREADY. They are equally as enraged as you are. I’m sorry for you if you can’t accept that some officers are good people.

Thank you PP for sharing and reminding all of us that officers are a monolith. Thank your husband too.
Signed, a progressive

When the macho militarized cops constantly get on tv and alternate every other sentence with a statement about how brave and heroic and mythologically stupendous they and their gang are… why wouldn’t we see THAT as the main representation of what a police officer is? We see macho wannabe GI Joes whi bully average and usually more vulnerable citizens.

The good cops are wearing the same uniform and flashing the same badge of authority so they get judged equally along with the worst. Part of the nature of wearing a uniform and having a badge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My husband, one of those terrible cops we all must hate, risked his life to save a 16-year-old girl a few years ago. I understood why he put himself in so much danger, even though I selfishly wanted him to come home that night to our own children. You can disparage police all you want. There are many who will still stand between you and harm. I have first-hand knowledge of this.

No one thinks all police are bad. For instance the Border Control law enforcement team which IGNORED the Uvalde Chief of Police's orders and broke down the door after 90 minutes are heroes.

Yes, there are plenty of people who think all police are bad, including some local politicians. My husband gets spit on for getting out of his car these days. He can perform his job admirably, and it will never matter to some. The “good guy” that he is, he’ll just take it. As his wife, I get angry.

Boo hoo. Cry me an f ing river. I don’t care about your hurt feelings. I care about those parents who won’t ever see their kids again. How dare you make this about yourself.

+ 1.

That’s not remotely what I did, and I think you know that. I simply defended a group that has been repeatedly disparaged, including on this thread. Pointing out that police may actually be allies is not centering this on myself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My husband, one of those terrible cops we all must hate, risked his life to save a 16-year-old girl a few years ago. I understood why he put himself in so much danger, even though I selfishly wanted him to come home that night to our own children. You can disparage police all you want. There are many who will still stand between you and harm. I have first-hand knowledge of this.

Thank you. I don't hate cope and it sounds like a training fail in Uvalde. Maybe the federal government needs to push out training in this issue and make sure it reaches every precinct, full stop

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My husband, one of those terrible cops we all must hate, risked his life to save a 16-year-old girl a few years ago. I understood why he put himself in so much danger, even though I selfishly wanted him to come home that night to our own children. You can disparage police all you want. There are many who will still stand between you and harm. I have first-hand knowledge of this.

Thank you. I don't hate cope and it sounds like a training fail in Uvalde. Maybe the federal government needs to push out training in this issue and make sure it reaches every precinct, full stop

Dp- no. That’s not going to help and it’s a distraction.
Get rid of the gun all of those LEO’s were afraid of.
They had training.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My husband, one of those terrible cops we all must hate, risked his life to save a 16-year-old girl a few years ago. I understood why he put himself in so much danger, even though I selfishly wanted him to come home that night to our own children. You can disparage police all you want. There are many who will still stand between you and harm. I have first-hand knowledge of this.

No one thinks all police are bad. For instance the Border Control law enforcement team which IGNORED the Uvalde Chief of Police's orders and broke down the door after 90 minutes are heroes.

Yes, there are plenty of people who think all police are bad, including some local politicians. My husband gets spit on for getting out of his car these days. He can perform his job admirably, and it will never matter to some. The “good guy” that he is, he’ll just take it. As his wife, I get angry.

Boo hoo. Cry me an f ing river. I don’t care about your hurt feelings. I care about those parents who won’t ever see their kids again. How dare you make this about yourself.

+ 1.

That’s not remotely what I did, and I think you know that. I simply defended a group that has been repeatedly disparaged, including on this thread. Pointing out that police may actually be allies is not centering this on myself.

Go away, this thread is not for you. I could care less how angry you get because people don't treat your husband poorly. WAHHHH poor you. I don't have any more f's to give after thinking non stop about these poor kids and their families for the last few days. So many of these conversations on what's wrong with policing get hijacked but butt hurt police wives and I am not here for it. You suck, and your husband isn't a "hero" who should be worshipped just because he is a cop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This concept of self-protection is the very core of their training:

Police training starts in the academy, where the concept of officer safety is so heavily emphasized that it takes on almost religious significance. Rookie officers are taught what is widely known as the “first rule of law enforcement”: An officer’s overriding goal every day is to go home at the end of their shift.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/police-gun-shooting-training-ferguson/383681/

Cops are not there to protect you. The Supreme Court even backs them up on this. It's pathetic.

This is true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_of_Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales

[Anonymous]

Imagine if the majority of police were to march and advocate for gun reform, including their unions and leaders. If they turned out 10’s of thousands of cops to protest gun laws. I think that is one of the very few things that would result in at least some action on sensible gun laws, but I doubt it would ever happen.

[Anonymous]

Not sure why anyone would become a LEO in this climate. They have a hard, crappy job and get zero support from the public. Good luck policing yourselves…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not sure why anyone would become a LEO in this climate. They have a hard, crappy job and get zero support from the public. Good luck policing yourselves…

Unlike teachers. What a cake walk to be a teacher
Ammirite?!?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My husband, one of those terrible cops we all must hate, risked his life to save a 16-year-old girl a few years ago. I understood why he put himself in so much danger, even though I selfishly wanted him to come home that night to our own children. You can disparage police all you want. There are many who will still stand between you and harm. I have first-hand knowledge of this.

When LEO officers and their families start loudly advocating for gun control and supporting candidates that will enact change, I’ll start to sympathize.

Then start sympathizing. We’ve already been doing that.

Let me know when LEO’s stand beside Mom’s Demand Action in protest.

Why do you think that hasn’t already happened? Officers aren’t a monolith. Many feel the same way you do about gun control. Heck, they see the effects of our crappy gun laws more than the average citizen does. The assumption that police are all gun-toting Trumpers is infuriating to me. Guess what? Some officers are EXACTLY who you would want them to be ALREADY. They are equally as enraged as you are. I’m sorry for you if you can’t accept that some officers are good people.

I understand your frustration, but I think people genuinely believe this because it seems like police unions always end up endorsing Republicans. Imagine if all the police unions in the country simultaneously advocated for renewing the assault weapons ban? I think that might actually move the needle on public opinion and get the politicians to act. And police officers would be safer. It’s mystifying to me why this hasn’t happened yet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe if civilians didn’t have so many guns cops wouldn’t be so afraid. 🤔

+1 LEOs should be brave, but at the end of the day, going after that gunman would have been a suicidal mission. If four men had rushed him, maybe 3 would have been shot dead. Doesn’t mean that’s not their job, but we should have some empathy for the fact that these school officers are not Secret Service officers. Some may not have signed up with the idea that they need to throw their body in front of a crazed teen with 2 automatic weapons with 200 bullets. That’s a big ask.

It’s not what teachers signed up for either but here we are.